I'm trying to understand what exactly happened, your post has many opposing statements virtually following each other.

You may not have realized it, but it's confusing and hard to respond to.

So you did receive a response? Twice?

Or you didn't?

I have seen this happen several times in the past.

So it's worth answering in a bit more detail.

If you join 1 program, for example 6-max program, you are not in any way entitled to, at some point in the future, "switch" to another program.

Now this is common sense in pretty much every other business, but for some reason it's not 100% clear to some guys who join, so I hope this clears it up.

If I buy, let's say a Big Mac from McDonalds, I'm not entitled to switch to a milkshake at some point.

If I buy a Volvo model 123, I'm not entitled to come back after 3 months and "switch" to Volvo model 456. The dealership might work with me and find a solution to switching, which will certainly have some cost for both me and them.

If you join a 6-max program, that's what you have joined. If you asked for advice which program would fit you best, and you were given advice that it's the 6-max program - and you take that advice, it's on you.

That was a well-meaning advice.

Now this is not assigning blame of fault - it's about telling you that if you behave in a way which assumes responsibility for 100% of your decisions, you will get further in poker (as well as life).

You signed up for 6-max. Then you wanted to switch to HU.

Here's what happens in this scenario, for anybody reading this thread and wondering how this plays out:

1. the student is told what I explained above. As in any other company, purchasing one product does not make you entitled to change it for another at some point in the future, when you realize "actually I would like Call of Duty, not Grand Theft Auto".

2. In any other business, you'd simply have to pay for the Grand Theft Auto, even if you don't like to play Call of Duty anymore. BPC actually has a lot better solution for you.

What we tell you is, ok, you have changed your mind. That's a red flag for the CFP model, where, say, a PLO coach might invest a lot of time into you with the understanding he will get paid later when you start winning - but you then switch before repaying the debt.

So you are a more-than-average risky student.

So you can't just switch, ending up hopping around programs without "repaying the debt" to the coaches of that program before moving on to the next one. So you need to put up 50% of the normal deposit for this switch. Why? to prevent somebody hopping around programs.

Why is hopping around programs so bad? Well you can spend 3 months in each, enough to become profitable in any game and consume a lot of time and resources, but at the point where you need to repay, you are gone into the next one.

In your case, if you wanted to quit the 6-max program, and then start the HU program, you actually would not have lost your security deposit (as you would in any other business). You would be asked to add to that security deposit 250 euro, and get both deposits back when you complete the HU program.

That's a BONUS to you. The contract stipulates that you lose the security deposit when you quit the 6-max program. We save you from this.

You might see it all as BPC, but those are different programs with different coaches, and we are working with many partners to provide coaching for different games.

So you create a problem by moving around and the simple way for BPC would be to say, as any other business, sorry, you don't like the Call of Duty you purchased anymore, and would now like to play GRand Theft Auto? You will simply have to purchase it.

We provide a much better experience for you, and it's important to keep that in mind.

This is a build up on the previous point, which is why I spent more time explaining the "switching" in more detail.

Keeping all that I wrote about this in mind, we can better understand this situation.

You are saying "reactivate my original account". This is a logical phrase, and we can refer to it in this way.

But in reality, if you are kicked out of the program, for not logging-in and making an update for 2 months (and ignoring repeated requests to do so for 2 months), it's game over.

You have broken your part of the contract, and yes you have lost your security deposit.

Guys, this is for everybody considering joining the CFP program.

If you quit, or are kicked out of the program for breaking all the rules, you will lose your security deposit.

No ifs, no buts, no excuses. You break the contract, it's over.

The entire CFP model assumes the coach providing A LOT of value upfront to the student for weeks and in some cases months before seeing 1 single dollar in return from that student.

The only thing preventing the student to "quit" precisely at the point of starting to make money, thus getting all that upfront value for free, is the security deposit which will be lost in such cases.

And let's be absolutely clear - this security deposit does not even begin to cover the cost of time, energy, resources, and opportunity cost to the coach and entire BPC team that is involved with the student from the start.

However most people are honest, and don't actually do this. This fact, coupled with the student's security deposit off-setting some of the cost in those rare cases where this happens, means it's feasible to offer this model to the student.

But the whole point of the security deposit is that once you break the deal, it's lost.

If anybody can just come after a few months and say, ok I'm willing to continue (until I decide to go missing for another 2 months later), let's just pretend nothing ever happened - the whole security from the deposit is null and void.


So what you were asking for is "I quit/got kicked. Now I want to do it again."

OK fine, you do it like anybody else - you will have to pay a security deposit.

And to be fair you should be asked for double the security deposit next time, since you present a much higher risk, having already gone missing once, and perhaps this is something we should consider in the future.

Entering a CFP agreement is not being the customer who is always right. In CFP the coach is the boss, and if you go missing for 2 months and ignoring repeated requests to communicate and update your account, you will be kicked out, and in reality should be kicked out much earlier.

So guys, do NOT join the CFP if you are of the opinion that you know better, that you can do whatever, or any of thinking such as this. ONLY sign up if you 100% understand and accept that there are rules to follow, and dare I say it - obey the coaches.

Making a fortune playing poker is not a walk in the park. We only make this happen because we are strict with players.

Other fails because they are not. It might "feel wrong" to the player to be kicked out, because we live in a consumer society where everybody thinks they are king when they walk into McDonalds and can abuse the cashier if they don't like something.

We could go also into permissive upbringing and welfare entitlement but let's keep it about poker, lol.

But weird as it might seem, many people bring all kinds of concepts and behaviors like this from the "outside world" into CFP. And they are left bewildered when they get the tough love.

So only sign-up if you are willing to play 200% by the rules. No excuses are tolerated in 99% of cases.

If you're not willing to accept this, and play 200% by the rules, don't sign up. Simply buy a course. Or join another website where they don't care about your results, and don't depend on them to make money.

We depend on the student playing by the rules, and will ALWAYS enforce those rules. And the student will benefit tremendously from that if they follow the rules, and will be kicked out if they don't play by the rules.

Perhaps 500 security deposit is too low, and people are still willing to risk it, and think "no problem, I will go missing for 2 months and come back when I want, I'm the customer here and will send angry emails and forum posts if they do anything".

We are actually seriously considering significantly raising that security deposit. To eliminate any doubt that when we say follow the rules, it's meant seriously - and it's in the student's best interest.

Strict rules are great for the student's bankroll. "Permissive upbringing" might make you feel good and important, but you won't make any money at the tables.

The entire contract, more or less word for word, if published on our website, publicly in our FAQ, for everybody to see and read at any point before joining the program.

https://support.bestpokercoaching.co...act-Look-Like-

https://support.bestpokercoaching.co...act-look-like-

You are also welcome to write to our support at any point with any kind of detailed question that is not clear to you from our FAQ.

Once you do join - you should be aware of this contract before you do so - claiming ignorance not a way out anymore. That's not a BPC invention, but how real-world contracts work. Otherwise there would be no such thing as a contract, or voluntary agreements, because if anybody can just get out of it by saying "I didn't know about this part" even though it's publicly known and available to see - and if it wouldn't be, you should ask - the entire concept of a contract would be meaningless.

Everybody has a private welcome session after joining, where you are encouraged to ask any question, whatever is unclear to you. You are advised to prepare a list of questions and bring it to the session - to make sure you don't forget to ask something on the fly.

If after all this you are not aware that going missing for 2 months will lead to you getting kicked out - common sense can tell you that.

But you don't have to rely on this - because we send everybody several emails after days of not updating, urging you to log in, make the update, or communicate with us.

If a student is repeatedly ignoring all of the above, our system will automatically deactivate your account. It's game over.

In 99% of cases, it stays game over.

In the remaining few cases, real life happened and no system is perfect, neither is ours. There have been students who had a legitimate cause - family emergency, or the like - and of course they were able to continue or get even more time off to sort their stuff.

Being scammed on China sites by a 3rd party, and then playing 6-max, and playing HU on the side for 2 months, while ignoring all communication and not updating for 2 months, is not a legitimate reason.

I get it, it sucks. You ignored all the rules and warnings and now you lost the security deposit. It sucks and makes you feel ridiculous.

You want to blame us. That's a natural knee-reaction for many.

But read my post again. There were many warnings and red flags along the way, which you chose to drive by.

If your wife tells you before getting married "if you cheat on me, we're done" and then you go and cheat and she kicks you out on the street... You can cry how unfair it is, and it was the "office slut" who took advantage of me when I was depressed because my father died, and deep down I knew my wife was not the right for me, and I only got married because she got pregnant...

It's still on you. It's called responsibility and taking ownership for your actions.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you pulled these numbers out of thin air.

I know this, because while I work at BPC, I don't have these numbers in such detail to present them as you just did. So I'm guessing you also don't have them. In fact I know.

Because I do have a general idea of the numbers, and they are nowhere near what you just wrote.

All this points to the very obvious fact that you just plain and simple made it up.

I'm gonna also make the crazy assumption that you did so to make us "look bad" because you are upset.

Both these facts taken together present you a a person who makes things up, to get whatever he/she desires.

Maybe you're not such a person overall, but you are presenting yourself as such in this particular instance. It's ok, everybody can have an emotional reaction, but you do want to control yourself and not just lash out.

It's a learned reaction of some people to angrily react when their desires are not met.

"The hot chick rejected me. I will tell my friends she is stupid, and try to spread the rumors that she sleeps around".

I could make a war-and-peace length compilation of angry emails, followed by "I'm sorry, I had a bad day, it was my mistake I didn't listen, you guys are great and I take it back".

It happens more times that you'd believe if you didn't experience it. So you're not alone in this. That doesn't make it right.

And you don't want to be that guy who tries to hurt others simply because he is upset, and will even make up "bad things" about them to achieve this. And later regrets.

Furthermore, in the very next sentence after making up a false claim to make us look bad, you say "actually even from the very few first steps/materials in the program material it is obvious they are good".

And that's the reason why I say you don't wanna be that guy, because it just looks silly.

All that said, I took the time to answer your points in detail because I think they deserve to be addressed seriously. You raised them, and you were right to speak your mind.

We're not perfect and we are working hard "behind the scenes" to improve everything, all the time. Both the coaches, as well as our team overall.

What I would suggest is to take a moment and relax before reacting. It's going to train you not only for situations where you have to communicate clearly, but - more importantly - at the tables where bad knee-jerk reactions can cost you a lot of money.

So thanks for the feedback, and GL to you whatever you decide.

That sucks big time, and you have my sympathies for this.

But I also want to use this chance to drive home something.

Every student who signs up for any of the bigger programs (60k contracts), is REQUIRED to play under BPC-approved deals.

That doesn't mean they are all BPC deals, but it does mean we know the people involved, and know the set up is safe.

We do this for two reasons:

1) as a team with many players we can pressure any room or affiliate partner into better deals for our players than any individual player can get at any point with any affiliate. Is simple logic

2) perhaps more importantly, as your case illustrates: we NEED to protect the bankroll of our student, because if you lose your bankroll to a scammy affiliate (90% of affiliates out there??) we lose BIG TIME, because the student has to move down and it takes a lot of time to grind back up.

In your case, you say you played NL600-1k, and had to move down to NL?

That's a total and utter disaster, and would never have happened if you'd follow the rule strictly and stopped playing on the scammy chinese app the moment you joined CFP - as is the RULE inside the big programs.

Breaking this rule - and you might say it was only 6 days after I joined, I was only breaking the rule for 6 days, thats too strict and it shouldn't count - breaking this rule alone cost you your entire bankroll.

Because if you would be anal with the rules and move all your bankroll out on day 1, that would be 5 days before the scam occurred.

That may not have saved your bankroll, and we will never know. But it likely would save it, and you'd be playing midstakes now instead of NL2.

You also would not be kicked out of the program , as you claim it was this that caused you to stop updating and basically going AWOL.

So yes, guys, we make the rules for a reason.

We have been around, and seen many things you would not believe.

And if we say sign up to this room, and don't play on that room - it's because we know what we're talking about. It's because all of the cases like this which we have seen and heard about in the past.

We have safe and good deals for all our players. In many cases, bankrolls are guaranteed. Room goes down? BPC players get paid first. Not 1 player was scammed like this if they were associated with us. There is power in numbers.

I know it sucks for you, and the point here is not to rub it in.

It's to make the others, who are perhaps in a similar risky situation as you were, aware of this very real danger. And act before it's too late.

LOL....You know I would have to agree with the points you addressed. It is my understanding that a coach will only help a student if he asks a question and attempts to answer the question himself with ranges equilab Hh as proof. I do have a hard time believing that he was rushed. As I said before and in my previous email. I don't doubt for a second that the things you teach have proven success records. Again my opinion is limited because I only got to make it through the newbie steps but I did do them twice and having done them twice I can agree that results are the only thing that matters. There's really no denying success when you have Alan Jackson telling you what numbers are optimal for winning stats and how to get your stats to those numbers. That guy should be given a PhD in pokertracker stats.

What I am confused about is the following:

Why was he ultimately given his deposit back? He mentions something in the FAQs that got him his refund. I would agree that he is in no position to know better than the coaches nor should he be critical of a micro strat with those results. So what was ot that got him the refund?

Again this is probably just me thinking Im unique and you will address the points I made 1 by 1 refuting each claim with thinly veiled insult that targets my masculinity. But I don't see my issues with BPC as having anything similar with srmjr23.

I don't claim to know more than the coaches and I have found a lot of what I learned in the newbie steps useful. That is coming from someone who has played professionally for several years. I don't claim to know anything about 6m in fact I even emailed you asking if I should go to the micro program because I technically have not beaten 6m NL 10 over a large sample although I have played in higher stakes games and had breakeven results.

My argument is not an issue of me knowing more than BPC. In fact the whole reason I decided to email and ask to switch is I got to thinking "Holy **** just think of all the tactics they probably teach you on how to tilt opponents hu. Given i was playing hu 8 hours a day I had to ask myself wtf i was doing.

However, as you said above to srmjr23 numbers don't lie. Fact is you have 46 success stories out of 1000s of applicants. Could it be that people are inherently lazy and scared of hard work? ABSOLUTELY!! Could the reason be why no US player has completed contract because US is expensive to live and American players are less motivated to make 10k a month where a guy in Bulgaria is more hungry. Maybe?

However, I don't understand why I you put more value in keeping my deposit and demanding another than me completing my contract.
Why do you think it is good business practice to not inform students of what can terminate their contract?

Please tell me why you don't have more finishers?

You agree the program is good - on the limited things you have seen during your short stay - and then you ask why it's not good? I'm not sure how to answer this. I'm genuinely missing the point.

I think the program is great and has a proven track record beyond anything seen in the poker coaching scene, by far.

Could there be even more finishers, can the program be improved? Yes. That's why we go to work every day, to make it better every day.


Maybe I missed something in his post, but he did not, to my knowledge, get his security deposit back if he quit the program. That's not how a contract works, it works both ways. We do our part also. If you break your contract, deposit is lost, that's the whole point of the security deposit.


We don't put more value in keeping your deposit than you completing the contract. You broke the contract, ignored all communication, and were eventually kicked out of the program for this, if I'm not mistaken.


I completely agree with you that people have to know in advance what they are getting themselves into, and then ONLY do it if they will honor the contract.

That's why we have the entire contract, more or less word for word, published on our website, publicly in our FAQ, for everybody to see and read at any point before joining the program.

LINK 1: https://support.bestpokercoaching.co...act-Look-Like-


LINK 2: https://support.bestpokercoaching.co...act-look-like-


Quoting from the contract:

Updating results

The player has to update his progress on each playing day in the software provided by BPC. Taking breaks or vacation is allowed, but has to be communicated in advance. Disappearing for more than 7 days without notice will result in loss of security deposit and termination of the contract with all financial details as explained written above.


In your case, those 7 days were extended to 2 months, I believe. That's pretty typical and we bend this as much as reasonably possible, give students many opportunities to continue because simply keeping your deposit is a losing proposition to us, and completing the 60k contract is what it's all about both for us and the student.

You are also welcome to write to our support at any point with any kind of detailed question that is not clear to you from our FAQ.

Once you do join - you should be aware of this contract before you do so - claiming ignorance is not a way out anymore. That's not a BPC invention, but how real-world contracts work.

Otherwise there would be no such thing as a contract, or voluntary agreements, because if anybody can just get out of it by saying "I didn't know about this part" even though it's publicly known and available to see - the entire concept of a "contract" would be meaningless.

Everybody has a private welcome session after joining, where you are encouraged to ask any question, whatever is unclear to you. You are advised to prepare a list of questions and bring it to the session - to make sure you don't forget to ask something on the fly.

If after all this you are not aware that going missing for 2 months will lead to you getting kicked out - common sense can tell you that.

But you don't have to rely on "common sense" - because we send several emails after days of not updating, urging you to log in, make the update, or communicate with us.

If a student is repeatedly ignoring all of the above, our system will automatically deactivate your account.

This, as it seems, has happened to you. And it sucks, I get it. But really, it was your behavior that caused this.

If you cheat on your wife and she kicks you out, it's on you.

Out of curiosity, are you saying I did this to you? Can you point me to the passage where this occurred?

Hello Donkology101,

Gordon here answering this post. Let me give you quick recap on points you made. I remember (hope not confusing) that you were friendly generally, so i wanna return the favor. Many things have been asked before, it's always the same, but i rehash for you.

Question: Affiliate blablalbal
Answer: Oldest question in the world. We don't make much money there, we mainly do for safety, bc if dumb student loses 5k to scammer, WE loose that 5k practically speaking.

Big respect to you for admitting on getting scammed. You didn't have to do that, but yes, like Janez said, it reinforces out point. Everybody is "honest" and "great" until they aren't.
Poker players are incredibly stupid when it comes to these things... And only bc some dumb losers think "OMG they make millions with affiliate LOL"...
(even if, players profit even more from it lol)

Question: Only 46 out of many applicants finished
Answer:
* Those are not the ones winning, but who finished the full contract. We literally have a person finished 95% and essentially quit (LOL!) the 60k contract, i can't go into personal reasons, but yeah (no personal problem either between him and BPC). You will never hear of him as a finisher

* Out of the people joining, how many are/become winning players. Everybody who follows the simple rules will do. Like one guy said, if you get a diet program but then eat BigMacs, sure it wont work. However, almost EVERY DIET works!!! Think about it, don't eat crazy garbage, do some sport and you'll be fine. I mean, more or less. So our own success rate for people who reasonably try is 100%. I don't consider somebody being a winning player a "success" for my standards. But for players who play as a hobby, its great to not lose money doing what they have fun with.
This metric is useful, but as you see it's not perfect, because MAYBE there is a better/faster/more tasty diet out there, right? So let's go to the REAL and MOST IMPORTANT metric...

ACCIDENTLY for doubters, thats the only way we get paid! But...OMG, but security deposit...

About sec deposit: Worst case is that the players gets high quality material, the best out there that has PROVEN to work (no other product can claim this!). You get all of this, so in the worst case if you were the laziest person alive, you got a course for pennies on the dollar AND free coaching, daily coaching blabla, i can go on. That is your WORST CASE if you are the worst person in the world. Sounds reasonable, no?

On other "training sites":
Buy my shiny product because i made money playing around with PIO solvers, studied a lot for years.... (now as we find out, often really created by people playing NL10 LOLOL).... but actually can't guarantee this works for the "normal person". Ok, in that case you get videos that will likely hurt your game. You paid perhaps even more than a security deposit...

* We take almost only LOSING players! If you make 10k/month, you will not join CFP. Turning great players into brilliant players is EASY EASY EASY. Anybody can do that. (Ok, some coaches can't even do that lol).
Remember Atvars, winning 7bb at NL100 when he joined, losing 2bb on NL200 (both big samples). I turned him into 7bb+ winner at NL200 and also higher. He made the full 60k in just a few months. All future profits are 100% his own.
I am a TERRIBLE business person. This is not meant to be ironic. Biggest possible client and all i got was a baby 30k, out of which not even all is real profit. After that he took out a LOT of money out of the poker economy and continues doing so. He is one of MANY stories.
I love money, but to be fair, it still gives me even more pleasure seeing people win and succeed...I have more than enough to live many times.
But he is an exception. Everybody else who comes SUXX...All those big post-BPC-CFP winners, big majority sucked and were losing players (but willing to LISTEN).

* MOST IMPORTANT METRIC: Who else is doing cash game CFP, and where are their success stories? I tell you in case you don't know. Our mosquito-loving coach friend with a big mouth, trying to be cool in this thread GONE. Everybody else GONE. They pop up like flies and then oh well, things go bad.
There are successful MTT stables, but they stake players that are already great! I respect any good business, but this is super easy what they do in regards to training. Their skill lies in other fields (so no disrespect, i respect success), even if they don't understand this themselves.

So the real success metric is BPC = gets it done, again and again. Everybody else NOTHING. I wish there was competition, but all big words, never any verified results.

BUT OMG LETS "COMPLAIN" ABOUT 46 (soon 50) PUBLICLY VERIFIED RESULTS FROM DONKIES TURNED TO SHARKS...when whatever "alternative" does not have ONE. Not even ONE!!!

So this is not like throwing sh$t on the wall and hoping it sticks. You can't get "lucky" teaching 10 losing players and hoping one will "make it". Otherwise you would have other people trying CFP at least show SOME type of result. But again, you see NOTHING (!). And if you are a rational person, there is only one conclusion.


Claim: My friends told me i am gullible for joining a coaching program
Answer: (you wont like it)

* Change your friends. (bad), sometimes even good Friends hate change, they wanna keep you on their (low) level. Change something trivial like your diet, tell your friends and see how they react!!!
Trivial. But it teaches you about many humans.

Are they all poker millionaires? How many people have they successfully taught, that gives them the credibility to talk about this?
More likely they think "everything is a scam" if they have to pay for it. They believe that things they see and don't like are "bad" instead of looking in the mirror and be more humble.

I almost forgot to target your masculinity! . I love you anyways and want to thank you for your feedback bc i know you are NOT like this other guy.

I can still disagree with you on a rational level, HOWEVER if you are not happy, it means that CFP was not a right fit for you regardless on who is "right" (pretty obvious it is BPC who is "right" here...but i don't believe that will make you recommend us in the future).

So in that regard i believe we have failed and being right meh, doesnt feel so great. And we're working on that. Talked today with Janez and we have some further changes to CFP structure.

Remember the days people BEGGED to get in? That's how it should be. Those who can't see the value, try to discuss about affiliates, worried about 0,5% without seeing the 500% extra value.....i would not even have a second word with them.

Those people do NOT belong into CFP. Doesn't mean they are bad people, but if the value isn't obvious (as it was to all the 60k, 100k etc finishers who made millions with out help...), then the program is not for you.

You will soon hear updates. Anyways, hope this will work out for you, but RULES ARE RULES. And they need to be respected. That's how you move forward in life.

Best wishes!

//// Enf of rant. Hadnt had one in a long time! ///

Gordon we missed u. i love gordans rants.

You claim to have no competition, but this is not true. BluffTheSpot also offers a CPF program, and they also have many finishers. Their overall number of finishers are less, but the results are impressive, with some of the finishers moved up to midstakes and highstakes in their cpf program (you have mostly microstakes finishers). They offer a better profit split than you, which certainly presents competition.

@nsoshnikov
(Gordon here) - otherwise assume it's not me unless it says at beginning of post.

(I'll not comment on the competition part. I have no beef with them, so please think what you want, not even sure we view each other as competition)

I think you're wrong about the micro-finishers from us. Remember we/I were the pioneers in this field. I publicly took on 5 students, who were ridiculed and laughed at. Those were terrible at poker with the best guy (Hans) having played NL50 at one point.
5/5 made 100k. I published their progress from day 1, you could see all ups and downs. No pre-scripted show, this could have been an embarrassment. I took that risk.

It' funny how after a few months the sentiment turned from "show us publicly or we don't believe you" to "you just use those blogs to advertise". I took it as a compliment .

We have even "created" millionaire(s), but i had to promise to keep things private and not brag about it. I can see how this seems convenient, then again, all you need to believe is publicly documented success stories . Also, because after the program the players further develop on their own. They give us some compliments how they never forget the "how to think" part, but ultimately, it's their achievement, hence "created" in parenthesis, because we did not create them, we were happy to help on the first steps.
I'm too lazy to check the exact micro-vs-highstakes finisher ratio...but lets just say you're wrong on this one.


About the BTS team, seems you are right. I have nothing negative to say, they never came here or behaved impolite towards us. If they do well, congrats and well deserved. People can compare on their own.

Still different to what we do, and this thread is about BPC, so i like to tell our side . I'll just point out what we do and why our offer is best (and to be fair, winning NL100 players don't come to us). Whether they are competition or not, we may disagree on that.



Generally speaking, teaching pros is the easiest part like the best MTT stables do. See how i was able to help Atvars in a very short time. Funny enough, that was also the ONLY student where i got more than my hourly and bc of that he got extra month of coaching for free.

So yeah, any established winner who is motivated at NL100+, you can get better than 50-50. Hope that's not a revelation. I considered coaching on that level not even "work".

Taking on somebody at NL10 (or NL2) is not 10times harder than NL100. It's about 1000 times harder.
While we reject the "more micro finisher" claim... and i'm sure you meant it in a negative way... what i can say is that this is the toughest part... you're literally teaching (poker) imbeciles if i may say so. (Poker) ******s who can't beat that level OR are smart enough to realize that 50% of peanuts is NOTHING when they keep all the big money in the future for themselves (AND get there faster at the same time).

So, all the broke dummies who are like "OMG 50%". Our guys just smile, knowing exactly where their EV in life comes from.
If you're smart enough to do it on your own, good for you. I did it on my own as well...but that was the dumbest thing i did. Could have been faster.

Or (sorry to repeat) do what another user who posted here did..., his china app affiliate probably offered a 1% better rate and this mistake cost him 6k.
We're not talking about variance or bad luck. Certain business are guaranteed to pull exit scams (most if not all ICOs, for those who are crypto fans) and the only question is when. Poker affiliates belong into that category as well. Or this poker blockchain ico. Pathetic. Hope nobody reading here was dumb enough to give them money.

Ok, that was my pre-BPC event post. Will go behind the curtains again, off the forums. Best wishes!


P.s: This years event is in Africa, although not real Africa (Marrakech,Morocco) more like Arab/middle east type place. Have been there before, intriguing place.

Thx, i don't miss big bananas tho , some people posting here could need some.

No problem, I have checked and here are the facts:

You have a total of 5 $100k finishers, 20 $60k finishers, 2 $30k finishers, 5 $10k finishers, 1 $6k finisher, and 13 $5k finishers.

Out of those numbers, you only have 1 (6-max) player who finished with $100k, 3 (6-max) players who finished with $60k, and 2 (6-max)$30k finishers. The rest of the non micro stake finishers were all HU players.


The last case study of a 6-max player who finished with $60k or above was in January 2017, 1.5 years ago. In 2018, you mainly published the case studies of micro finishers.

These numbers tell me that most of non micro stakes finishers are HU players.

Unlike your competition, you actually don't have any players who moved up to midstakes or highstakes during your program, and my point still stands Gordon.

Based on these facts:

Your offer is the best for very terrible, losing micro players, who's goal would be to be a winning 50nl or 100nl player by the end of your program. The program is also better for HU players.

If you are already a breakeven 50nl player, who's goal is to crush midstakes and move up to nl1000, BTS's offer is clearly better.

according to your count thats about 2:1 ratio of highstakes:micro finishers we have

so your claim we mostly have micro finishers is way off, good to do the actual counting and check facts

how do you think the 25+ guys who made €60,000-€100,000 got there if you think not by "moving up to midstakes or highstakes"? You think they made €60,000 playing NL50?

they pretty much all played NL400-1k

we just posted a €30k 6-max finisher, who made €30,000 playing poker on the side while having a full-time job, a few days ago in this thread

here's another 6-max student, at €42k profits at the moment, playing up to NL1k ( I just opste the whole interview here because I know otherwise some people are unlikely to actually read it, and then comes "there's no 6-max winners in last months" claim again)


Freedom & Winning: Alessio Earns BPC Player of the Month


(another 10k+/month winner created - not by playing NL50


For 27-year-old Alessio Cappelli, poker is about freedom. He relishes the idea of living life his own way and the freedom of lifestyle it affords him. And hopes for even more in the future.

“I got interested in poker because someone told me you could win money by playing the game better than others,” he says. “Then I decided I really wanted to do this because poker can give you freedom to live your life as you want, and to do whatever you want with your time.”

If he continues to have months like he did in February, that lifestyle he covets should be a pretty easy win for this poker hotshot.

A native of Florence, Italy, Cappeli won €11,400 in the month of February – certainly a nice run. He spends much of his time at the 888.it poker tables playing everything from $50 to $500 No Limit Hold’em cash games. He also mixes in the occasional game of Pot Limit Omaha – “more of a fun thing,” he says, adding that he’s only won about €1,000. Not too shabby for a little side action.

But No Limit Hold’em is the game that pays the bills, and Cappeli plays it well. In the past, this poker shark played occasionally in some small live cash games and tournaments. Those were some fun experiences, but now he’s almost focused exclusively on online cash games. Besides, living in Italy doesn’t make it easy to hit the tournament trail or play in games with higher stakes.

“There aren’t many opportunities in Italy to play live poker for big money,” he says. “I try to play everyday. I try to have frequent breaks that help me keep playing all day long – and possibly all night. I don’t have a job and don’t plan on having any.”

MEMORABLE MONTH

February was not only a month to remember as BPC Player of the Month, but it was the best run of his life and favorite poker memory. The bad days just seemed few and far between.

“I never won a big tournament or something remarkable,” Cappeli says. It’s been a crazy month. When it is like this, poker can look so easy. I kept winning almost everyday and since I was winning so much I kept trying to play higher.”

That eventually peaked at the €500 level and things began to get interesting. It was at that level that Cappeli had his most exciting moment of the month. He says the scenario could be a learning experience for others playing online.

“I was sitting there at that level because I saw a big whale going broke at the €200 level and then raising the stakes to get back his money,” he says. “If you pay attention you can see this everywhere, so follow your big fishes.

“So I was there waiting for a hand with the fish, and two other regulars where there waiting for him as well. I got lucky enough to get dealt a runner-runner nut flush against this guy. We both were 200-big blinds deep.”

Cappeli moved all-in on the river and his opponent just couldn’t fold his lower flush. His opponent called and shipped Cappeli a €2,200 pot. Accustomed to pots no bigger than €500 or €600, raking in that pot was the biggest he’s seen at his table.

“My hands were shaking,” he adds.

Considering that was almost 20 percent of his February winnings, it was quite an important pot.



OBSESSED WITH POKER

Like many, poker has turned into an obsession for Cappeli. He doesn’t have a family of his own and still lives with his parents. The life of a professional poker player has not always gone well with his parents, who don’t quite understand his unique lifestyle.

“They let me play, but they don’t really think someone can make money playing poker,” he says. “Maybe I can change their minds.”

So far, so good on that front. When not at the virtual poker tables, Cappeli admits that he doesn’t focus on much else. He has cards on the brain 24/7.

“During this period of my life, what I do when I’m not playing poker?” he says. “I’m studying poker! I don’t really do anything else now. I’m obsessed with the game. I barely see friends from time to time to maintain sanity of mind.”

While there have been many good days for Cappeli, there are occasional setbacks. Refocusing one’s mind is key, he says, and he’s developed his tricks to get back in the right mental state and keep playing good poker.

Growing up, Cappeli was a calm child who loved observing nature and understanding how things worked. His analytical mind has helped him achieve some his poker dreams and he is hoping for more.

“I think I was considering myself a little scientist growing up,” he says. “ I remember more than one of my peers calling me ‘sage.’ Then when I started to think about it a bit at about 18 years old, I got obsessed with that freedom thing and started to look for a way out.”

Cappeli’s personal freedom is a recurring theme with this young rounder, and he plans to use his money from poker to obtain a level of success so that he doesn’t need a regular 9-to-5 job.

“I have only one big goal – to conquer freedom, and get in control of my life and my time,” he says. “To get out of this sick society with all the sick jobs and not depend on anyone for the rest of my life. I’ll start again cultivating hobbies when I’ll be a free human being, thanks to poker.”

Best Poker Coaching has been key to his success and allows him to play his best game.

“All the video courses and poker science lessons are pure gold and our Bible as BPC students,” he says. “I felt like knowing all that stuff was really making me more confident about my game.

“Then what really changed for me is motivation. That’s what I found in BPC – with hundreds of videos to learn, all the stories of other students that made it, and all the community that is there to help you. That’s great. That works!”

As an amateur, Cappeli watched a lot of poker on TV and admired the games of Phil Ivey and Tom Dwan. Now he looks up to many of his fellow BPC players that have made it in poker.

“I love all the videos and articles about success stories,” he says. “I find lots of things in common with those guys and I realize I can make it as well.”

There are more guys who are not at €60k, some agree to be interviewed and share their stories here.

Some like to remain private, and you don't hear about them

For every 60k finisher there's probably another guy who made €€10, €20k, €30... and either left the program, didnt play over summer, or life happened in other ways

we have 1 guy literally at €57,600 in 60k contract, who decided not to finish it.. go figure. Maybe he comes back for the last 2,4k, maybe not. But he's not on the finisher list.

There's another one on 47k, for over a year not playing due to health issues..

These are just off the top of my head. There are many guys who dont finish but make a living now playing poker. Or make 2-3k on the side.

90% of your claims are false and presented inconsistently

example: "you have mostly micro finishers"

fact: there are 2x more highstakes finishers
fact: those "micro" finishers make a good living playing poker

here's one 2017 micro finisher, and his 2018 results



to you he looks like "that guy only finished a micro contract"
reality: he now plays NL500 and makes €6k-€8k/month

so no need to play down and put down the "micro" finishers
yes the program is called micro and is €5000 contract
probably 95% of all poker players will NEVER make €5000 playing poker in their life
finish the micro contract at BPC, you are at least top 5% + every foundation you will ever need to become top 1% in the next 12 months

but if you come here with an angle to grind, you are just boring, and guy number X in the history of this or any other business who thinks he is cleverly leaving out inconvenient facts and spinning half-truths in a way to make whatever points he wants to make, for whatever (e)motives he has..

i guess its not exactly fake news, but its fake something lol

btw Alessio just took down the August rankings with €10,400 in winnings

6-max, crushing up to NL1k, as we speak; basically refuting every single claim you made in 1 simple example. Will this change your angle? "nobody makes it to highstakes, no BPC student crushes 6max in 2018, there are no highstakes 6-max guys created in BPC"? let's see.. bc thats asking a lot from some forum posters lol, but maybe thats not you, i dont know

(Gordon)

Nsoshnikov, i knew you were wrong, funny enough by how much. I didn't expect you to take your time and prove me right. That takes a special type of person

Clearly you have nothing valuable to do with your time than to self-own and prove yourself wrong. WTF. Forgot to take pills?

You clearly have no clue about the business, about coaching and how to evaluate offers. You come in here with wrong claims. You have no credentials to why anybody should listen to you (besides how to make a fool out of oneself).

The way these things work, i expect to hear from you a few more times with some half-ass attempts to smear. That's just how you type of people with monkey brains function. Happened before. Study your predecessors in this thread. You all think you're special and have incredible insight, but all the same. Boring.

Gordon, all I did was post my opinion based on the 46 published cases. You claim that you by the time a person finishes your course, they will be making $10k+ a month ($60k finishers). If you are at 500nl, you should be easily making over $10k, and not between $6k-$8k

In no way did I put down "micro finishers". That is your interpretation of my words.

It's actually quite amusing how much you care about being "right" or "wrong". You have an enormous ego and cannot take any criticism at all. I could care less about proving you "right" or "wrong. I formulated my opinion based on the information that I had, and I am happy to change it as well. I understand you got some "haters" from the past, who were trying to put you down with a bunch of nonsense, but that was not my intention.

Take it easy and I wish you all the best with your BPC business.

(Gordon)

Words spoken by everybody who got a beating and whose lies were proven wrong. Last resort.
"Ok, i lied, ok i am wrong...but but but OMG YOUR EGO !!!!"

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I care about the truth, sorry if that bothers you.

There is a difference between genuine interest and trying to troll or straight up slander/lie. You're the n-th person trying this, that is what is amusing. You could have at least tried a new line and make it interesting.

You just straight out lied a few times and then say "you can't take criticism" when somebody calls you out on it.

Some people confuse big ego with not accepting bs. You can't afford a bad big ego if you wanna be successful.

I get that donkology101 is angry. He got scammed by chinese mofos for 6k on his own, didn't follow our rules by a LOT and then got kicked and lost his deposit (for which he still got to watch a masterful course, with the type of quality you wont find anywhere online).
He's not in the right, but i don't think he is evil or a bad person at all.

You on the otherside, well,... i'll end it here and thank you for the good wishes!

Gordon, are you seriously reading what you are writing? I am baffled by how one can be so childish and unprofessional in their replies. You give me an impression of a kid who is trapped in an adult's body.

Nowhere did I slander or lie. I presented my opinion, and you presented yours. I even took time and effort to count your 46 case studies, because I actually had genuine interest.

To quote your own words, winning 100nl players don't take your program, and most of the people that sign up are very terrible micro players. Your split of 50/50 is fairly bad in comparison to other CFP programs out there, hence why this program is best suited for losing micro players. A player who is already a small winner at 50nl+ would be stupid to take a 50/50 split, hence why there are other better suitable CFP programs out there.

When you make bold claims such as "We are the best in the business and their is no competition", prepare to defend your statements, because unlike you, nobody else makes these claims.

And when I point out something that you have no answer for, you obviously ignore it. Read again what I said about a player playing at 500nl and only making $6k-$8k a month, when you claim that players who finish your course make $10k+a month.

If you actually cared about the truth, you would learn what the words "lie" and "slander" mean, and not make yourself look like a fool.

You did not point out something that we had no answer for. You made an idiotic remark displaying basic misunderstanding of the real world, which everybody in this thread just ignored.

If you come to a math convention and interrupt with your insight that 2+2=7, your "opinion" will not be addressed. The first time you will be politely ignored as everybody looks at each other, slightly embarrassed for you, and our educational system.

If you keep interrupting and making claims like "the earth is not round, it's flat and sits on top of a turtle" you will eventually be removed by big men who will stick you in a white jacket with really long sleeves and take you to a place where"opinions" such as this are passionately debated.

You will have a great time.

But just for fun, because there is a dirty pleasure in picking apart idiots (OMG how unprofessional??!)...

...lets put some pressure on those 2 brain cells.

You will notice the guy you are referring to made $46k in 125k hands over the last 8 months.

Here are the results again:



Pre-rakeback. And he was running good and actually made $40k in EV. So let's keep it simple and say he made, after rakeback, $50,000 in EV in 125k hands, over 8 months.

Still holding focus? Aneurysm onsetting? We're almost there. Oh god, I shouldn't, it's not fair, I know...

A full-time player can play 125k hands in 1 month.

Here's how, for example. 100 hands per table per hour. 8 tables at the same time. 6.5 hours per day, 24 days per month.

So at full-time poker pro tempo, he is making 50k per month over the above sample.

Now his sample says he played about 417 hours, counting up all the sessions. Less tables then, I guess. Looking at the hours, thats 2,5 months of full-time play, let's say. So we could say from this perspective, his monthly tempo is 20k/month.

He did not play a full-time poker pro tempo in 2018. I guess he has other things in his life, which is why he joined the Micro program in the first place, and as we repeat many times, we have many guys who are not "full-time" pros but make a good income playing poker.

Anybody whose opinion would matter, would realize this from the screenshot of his results on his own. That's why I didn't spell it out when posting the screenshot, I thought the data and simple numbers would be enough. And they are - to people that matter.

You didn't realize any of this, not the first time, not the second, and you even came back the third time with the same "argument" believing that the math scientists ignore your opinion that 2+2=7 because you exposed them and they are trying to hide it...

So the first 2 times you were ignored, as you immediatelly presented yourself as an idiot. The 3rd time is now, and because we don't have big guys in blue uniforms on this forum, I did the next best thing...

...pointing my finger at you, and I'm secretly laughing at the size of your intellect.

Ho "unprofessional", I know, you don't have to even say it. But it's fun, and we are on a poker forum which we're still fighting to keep a fun place!

Contrary to what your mommy told you, your opinion is not important, and presents no value in itself. Nooo value whatsoever. Zero, nada, nill, ziltch. How does that saying go, opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one...

Unless you demonstrate that your statements have credibility, and behave with logical consistency, and have something important to say, nobody cares. Sure everybody has a right to be an idiot and leftist PC warriors will defend you when you're being laughed at, so you'll be fine.

You demonstrated nothing that would force anybody to take you seriously.

In fact you've discredited yourself several times in just 3 posts. When we corrected your several obvious fallacies, you did not acknowledge any of your mistakes even once, but changed your angle to "you have a big ego", "you are unprofessional"...

That's a learned behavior, it's one of the most common defensive mechanisms of the ego, and will not change without serious introspection and people who care enough about you to point this out when you pull BS like this. This time is for free, courtesy of BPC.

You claimed we mostly have micro guys. Numbers point 2:1 in favor of highstakes finishers. I told you, you did not acknowledge your fallacy.

Micro contract finishers are not "microstakes" finishers as demonstrated with the graph posted, results form a Micro finisher who is doing a $20k-$50k per month tempo:



Again, I told you, you did not acknowledge your fallacy.

You claimed no "non-micro" 6-max finishers in 2018. Just off the top of my head, I pointed out that we just posted a guy who finished 30k contract playing 6-max while having a full-time job a few days ago in this very thread. Once more, I told you, and you did not acknowledge your fallacy.

You said "nobody makes it to highstakes in CFP". I posted a long interview of a 6-max player playing up to NL1k, who made €10,400 (=over 12,000 USD), in August (a few days ago), winning the latest monthly rankings of BPC.

Here's one of his 10k monthly graphs:



That's instance #4 where I told you, and you did not acknowledge your fallacy.

So you outed yourself as an idiot.

You are like the guy who says 2+2=7. When proved wrong, he replies with "yes but the earth is flat and sits on top of a turtle".

So therein lies the secret as to why nobody will "address your opinions". Your posts will be simply exploited as an opportunity to post more braggs, or to have a good laugh at your expense.

I hope this is fun for you too

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Meanwhile, back in the real world...

We have another finisher, Drago finished his €60,000 contract yesterday - just in time to get his trophy at our Poker Camp in Morocco next week!¨

Congratz to Drago, more details coming soon!




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(Gordon)

So...

First forum trolls 2011:
"CFP is not possible, lol go to work at McDonalds, pathetic less than $1 per hour" (forum told to student Hansthegreat starting at NL2 and struggling at some point, ended up making 100k in 9months, playing high stakes)

Second wave:
This was just one lucky case, we don't believe, it could be faked (my claim that i have done this before, that it's easy and i can do it with unexperienced people).
=> Ok students, publish and blog your results (good and bad) from day one. More CFP blogs than anything else. Every second blog on 2p2 is a great CFP success story.

Third wave:
You are just using your amazing success stories to market your coaching "aggressively". You are "spamming" the blog forum, which we asked you to use to prove you are legit

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Today:
Your "micro" students only (!) make $6k-$8k/month playing NL500 as a part time hobby


Anybody who at this point believes that evolution only goes one way needs to reassess their world view

You continue to amuse me Gordon.

You can't just take the sample size of 125k hands, multiply that number and assume that he will make $20k/month. That's now how it works and you know it. There is a big difference between playing few tables, and playing many tables, where your winrate will certainly be higher when you are playing less tables. At the end of the day, the only number that matters is in green. And he made $50k in 8 months. A lot of "what ifs" coming from a guy who tells people to not make excuses.

You are the one that tells your players that they need to play 200+ hours a month right, otherwise they are lazy loser piece of ****s?

You accused me of "slander" and "lies", when you clearly have no idea what those words mean.

I have never seen anyone that calls so many people around him idiots, and that is so defensive when ever he faces any kind of criticism.