It's monday and spin promo is OVER.



Ignore the bug with the still running timer in previous post, I guess it's like a duracel rabbit, just keeps going

Anyway congratz & welcome to our new Spin members, and let's crush it!

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TheeRealHoff is already making angry picket signs to protest and demand we extend Spin promo specially for him because the buggy timer in the old post still runs... Preparing smart poker variants of nice socialist and communist slogans to write on the cardboard signs...

It's a shame how many entitled freeloaders we have today, not just in poker. Count on a public worker / bureaucrat / union rep to beg for free stuff from a private business every time! No more free lunches, it's time to actually try working to deserve things in life. Crazy idea, I know...

Of course grinding is better than working, so for anybody ready to put in the effort, we have changed many lives with our program: RISK-FREE Coaching for profits.

Here's one such story:

Here you go lying again. You might want to check with Gordon before you dig yourself into a deeper hole.

1. I am far from a socialist or a troll and to call someone who wanted to be a customer that is grossly unprofessional.

2. I am not looking for "free stuff". As the e-mail stated I was a former student and already paid $500. Whomever wrote the e-mail chose the term "no-charge." Not me. You offered it for free, so no I do not feel "entitled" as you say but rather I am owed what I had already paid for as set forth in the policy described in the e-mail.

3. The literal definition of an "open door policy" is to "come in anytime."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_d...icy_(business)

"As the term implies, employees are encouraged to stop by whenever they feel the need to meet and ask questions, discuss suggestions, and address problems or concerns with management."

4. A policy is not a "promo" as you say and does not expire. It can be changed however. Your Terms and Conditions says that there will be an e-mail and notice of the change on the website.

https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/terms-conditions/

"Any changes will be communicated to the User through the following methods:

Email (to the email address You have previously supplied to us) via the Best Poker Coaching newsletter and
A notice on our website (bestpokercoaching.com)."

At this point I am very politely going to suggest you stop the rude behavior and do the right thing before this gets any worse or out of hand. You know how to find me.

oh spare us the self-righteous "I'm very politely asking" act Hoff, nobody here buys it

you've been nothing but insulting and threatening since the moment you were told by our team that last year's promo is long over - and that the rules also apply to you - just like everyone else

our team said you were offered a VERY generous discount to re-join the program + both deposits back - they were just being friendly and welcoming to a former BPC member!

but it wasnt enough, was it, you wanted it for free, and resorted to insults and threats the moment you didnt get free stuff, as if that's gonna somehow make us want to coach you??

security deposit is there precisely to keep guys who dont want to pay it - out

it's our filter, and works very well 99% of the time

so its also hard to believe that you ever paid the full $500 sec deposit like you claim, it just doesnt fit to somebody who gets so upset over missing out on some old free stuff

and just for the record - asking for free stuff is not "wanting to become our customer"

but here's what's really funny

there was a time long ago, when BPC had haters and trollz attacking our crazy success stories

BUT

then 2015 happened:



after that, 2016 happened



after THAT, 2017 happened



And now 2018 is happening

Students hitting 10k months, 15k months... month after month, year after year

Record day so far 15k, record month 30k - in a 60k contract! the guy finished half his 60k contract in 1 month!

he was even on pokernews, btw: click to read it here


so now after years of record months, changed lives and building the best poker community on the planet - now even the trolls and haters are actually TRYING TO GET IN to the program! For free lolz!

Who can say that - when even the haters start threatening just to get a spot in your program... priceless.

To be fair, most of them come back later on and apologize for losing their heads and pay respect. Mostly privatelly, but that's ok. We're not here to rub anybody's nose in it.

We're here to keep on improving. The programs are getting better and better.

We are investing heavily into the program.

Even some crazy things like NL1000, NL5000 regs coaching micro students! Not all, some still get "only" the NL100-200 coaches while playing NL2

On demand coaching.

1on1 coaching.

Small study groups with a dedicated coach. Highstakes crushers.

Proven results. It's gonna be the ride of your life.

It's all here: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/coaching-for-profits/

BUT here's the trick - you gotta have beef in the game if you want all this. You gotta lay down the security deposit - which you get back after you finish.

If you're not willing to do this, it's ok - CFP is not for you. You don't have the right mentality (yet??). Maybe one day.

In the meantime, you can get a course and work on your game this way: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/poker-courses

Calling you a liar isn’t an insult, it’s the truth. You’re just mad I caught you in a lie...and in the end you will pay for it...I paid my share you wanted more. That’s not what the email said and you know it. When are you going to grow up and act like an adult and admit what you said? I have every email you ever sent me. You made the policy not me. Again it was POLICY not a PROMO as you say. Maybe you should look up the definition of each. I’m just asking you to enforce THE POLICY YOU MADE!!!! But if you want to do this the hard way I’ll see you in court. Good luck sir.

And for the record, I’m not doubting the program...I don’t need your results. I know it works which is why I wanted to come back...my point is your taking advantage of people and lying to them about your policies and procedures. This is very bad for business. How are people supposed to trust you if you’re just going to lie to people who already gave you money? That’s the point you’re missing here.

You keep calling us liars. We're not native speakers, but I believe that's called defamation, libel and slander.

Nobody lied to you.

1. You joined the program in 2016, and later quit due to personal reasons. With that you gave up your security deposit. Nobody promised to you that one day in 2017 we will take a few guys back in with no deposit.

2. In 2017 we made an offer to some guys who quit, to come back - for free, without deposit. Some took that offer. You didn't take it. You can turn semantics however you want. You can call it however you like, policy, law, rule, promise, offer, promotion, or anything else. The chance was offered to you in 2017, and you didn't take it. Nobody promised to you that it will be available to you forever, or will ever come again.

3. In 2018 you now write asking to come back under that 2017 offer. We explained that it's not valid anymore. At that point you started calling us liars, "making money off people by lying to them" . There is no lie. You are slandering. Somehow not giving you the free gift of 2017 now in 2018 is "taking advantage of you".

Since you really wanted to start the program again, but didnt have the sec deposit or didnt want to pay it, our team offered you a huge discount + promise of both deposits back if you finish and don't quit this time. As a friendly offer to a former member. That's "taking advantage of you".

Since you called us liars and claimed we "make all that money from lying to people", posting results is appropriate. To demonstrate to the community - once again - where our earnings and the earnings of our students, as well as their trust, comes from.

From our/their hard work, and results we/they get.

In fact I see we missed the 2018 results, so I'm posting it here for the sake of completeness:



Students are finishing our programs all the time, and getting their deposits back. Here's a few from last couple of weeks:





Note - Chris didn't finish yet, I believe, but is on a good way to finish soon. Another student finished yesterday, and his interview is not up yet.


Find all the stories and examples here: LINK.


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It’s not defamation, slander or libel if it is true.


You made the policy...

Policy clearly states “open door”

Policy clearly states “no-charge”

It was not a promo...

It therefore does not expire...


It however can change....

However per your own terms and conditions it was never changed...

You won’t enforce your own policy...

I’m not asking for anything I didn’t already pay for...

Google is free and has thousands of definitions if you are confused about the meaning of the words your company chose to use...


Refusing to enforce the policy you made up makes it an outright lie...

Therefore you are a liar....

Truth not defamation

Other players success doesn’t prove that you aren’t lying and screwing over people that already paid for your service.


I only wanted what I had paid for per your policies.

Was bored at work, needed some entertainment lol. Seems like the haters are still here. 😜

I got that email as well, and now I'm very curious what it said. Will have to go back and check it out. 😂 Just to see who's right hahaha (my money's on BPC). Where's my popcorn?

haters = the price of doing business these days, there will always be people who know it all better, and want to tell you how you should be running your business

though with all the great business minds out there, it makes you wonder why most "competitor" coaching threads here on 2p2 come and go away after a few months of quiet desperation... while BPC is here for 7+years and we're just getting warmed up

at least these days we don't have to copy-paste proof that our results are real & by far the best - I guess running after 100+ people to give us interviews, graphs and photos/video testimonials finally killed that debate!

that said, we do take every feedback into account, it's important to us to understand how people perceive certain things and keep improving

guy was clearly very upset and angry, but if you slowplay your straight in a multiway pot until somebody finally hits a random runner-runner flush on the river, ... you only have yourself to blame for not raising earlier - it's not pokerstars which is "rigged!!!", you just misplayed your hand and tilting after the fact won't help

there are guys who really like a girl and never ask her out, keep postponing, waiting for the "right moment" and avoiding it until she eventually starts dating somebody else who just took action - then of course she is "shallow" for going out with the "jerk" and a "b*tch" etc while you got friend-zoned...

in this case all it took was 1 email reply (20 seconds?), well some clicked, and some didnt and 99% of the time that's the "secret" of success, I'm not even kidding we see it in the program over and over

the point is, if you get a good offer from BPC to your inbox, don't wait guys, there's a good chance it will be gone by next week, let alone next year

there were times when we had to close door the next days, and at some point in the past we didnt accept any new guys for 6+ months, though now we're running at much higher capacity so this will (likely) not happen again

anyway don't procrastinate guys, if you want in, do it now, because tomorrow might be too late

Here is the thing,, I was never a "hater" until BPC lied to my face. Here is a list of "promos" BPC send me.



notice how they say "expires", "final notice", and "DEADLINE". These are PROMOS!!!!

YES THEY EXPIRE!!!!

The document in question was a policy and not a promo.

They mean two different things! Anyone who runs a business knows that.

Hence why there was no email that said "EXPIRES", "FINAL NOTICE", or "DEAD LINE"

All I asked for was for you to uphold your policy you made.

And as it would seem, look I got two more e-mails saying just the same thing.

ONE SPECIFICALLY SAYS "NO DEPOSIT"

and not in a single one does it say the offer expires.





I am not telling you how to "run" your business. I am telling you do do what you said you would do. Again two different things.

You can keep skewing my words, and making yourself look bad. I have enough evidence to know this is blatant false advertising. Not doing the right thing is just negligent and worse.

I think you would be a little upset if you bought something, and then were told you couldn't have it either.

Are you saying that you bough something from BPC and were then told that you cant have it?

Absolutley

ok so I assume you are talking about the security deposit?

so you sent the security deposit, and then what happened?

did you get access to study materials, coaching calendar and other things?

yes, then I was rightfully denied access when I could not complete the program.

I was then notified 3 times that I could come back to the program for no charge, and no deposit, because "champions stand up one more time."

I was told all I had to do was e-mail support.

I did so.

Support denied my request saying the "promo" expired.

however, per the documentation, it was not a "promo", it was an "open door policy" therefore it did not have an expiration date.

Therefore I should have been able to come back as per your policy.

I already paid for the program so I only requested to get back into what I paid for per your words.

If you bought a car and a sales man said "come back for a free oil change" wouldn't you be upset if you got there and he said, "there will be a $50 charge"?

You included the option to come back when I left and you are not honoring it. Plain and simple.

I understand you're not happy with how things happened later on, and we'll get to that. But to get to the bottom of it, we need to go step by step.

you said you bought something from BPC, but were then told that you cant have it.
I asked you to confirm, and you said "absolutely."

Are you now saying that you DID get access to study materials and all the rest after you transferred the security deposit?

I'm trying to establish where the "lying" which you claim happened, began.


So, after you paid the deposit - did you, or did you not get what you paid for?

Is English that hard for you? I said:
The lying began after that if you knew how to read.

wow stop crying coz u didn't get free **** bro. wtf is this.

Clearly English is hard for you too. No one is asking for free ****.

Cliff notes:

I paid $500.

I was in the program.

I left.

The "open door policy" stated I could come back "no charge", "no deposit" because I "ALREADY PAID".

Maybe you should have read the entire post before commenting.

Since you're better at english than me, and can read better - would you say the following 2 statements are contradictory?

A) "I paid to join CFP, but was then told I can't have it."

B) "I paid to join CFP, and was allowed to join, got access to everything, kept access and later at some point decided on my own to quit for personal reasons."

Do these 2 statements, in your opinion, tell 2 different stories?

Another attempt at trying to skew my words in your favor. Why don't you include the rest of the story? Oh because you know you are wrong. You remind me of CNN who only gives half the story and thinks they are right, then wont apologize when they are wrong.

Here is the correct answer:

C) "I paid to join CFP, and was allowed to join, got access to everything, kept access and later at some point decided on my own to quit for personal reasons. They told me I could come back per an "open door policy" for "no charge" and "no deposit". I have 3 emails as proof. But when I tried to come back they told me I had to pay more, which is contradictory to the policy THEY made. "

I went back to look at the email. I can understand why you might feel upset TheRealHoff, as the email does kind of give off the vibe that you can come back whenever (no expiry, as you state). However, I have to side with BPC on this one. Policies are prone to change, and as long as they don't say the offer is good forever (which they didn't), it's folly to just assume it will be. I replied and rejoined back then when I received the emails, even though I probably shouldn't have because I was working too much at the time. Left shortly after again because of that. But I came back that time cause I didn't want to miss that chance to rejoin at no charge.

Just looked at the list of emails you posted... I didn't see anything like this on mine, and don't know if you got the exact same one as me. But yours seems to say "Open-door policy for former CFP students - coupon which expires in 48h..." Is that not an expiry date?

I appreciate you being polite in disagreeing. To answer your question the first e-mail in that list is the most recent one where they offered me a discount to come back. The first screenshot was showing a highlight of the context of the email. Below is a copy of the email where you can see they offered me a 48 hr coupon called "Chad2ndChance", which was still not what the previous 3 emails had said.

My bad, thought that was the original email lol. They didn't lie though. They said you could come back at no charge, and you could (at the time). Maybe they weren't fully transparent in that they didn't say it was a limited time offer. Or maybe they were intending it to be, but changed their minds at some point. If so, it's their prerogative, as long as they didn't state otherwise originally.

If you had any interest in coming back, the best thing would have been to reply back and ask if this opportunity would have been available at a later time. Clear up any confusion then and there. As I said, I can kind of sympathize a bit with you because BPC didn't make the emails crystal clear. But at the end of the day, you shouldn't be guessing or making assumptions about things that are unstated. My 2 cents anyway lol

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