I'm going to open this by saying that I don't know whether BPC's coaching is good or not.

However, let's consider how we would establish that BPC's coaching is good. It can only be good if it improves the net lifetime expected value of a person's poker-playing (and therefore is a profitable decision for the player). Individuals generally have a non-zero chance of making any given amount of money in poker. Therefore, the mere fact that any given individual (or number of individuals) has(ve) made any given money during and after any given coaching program cannot in itself be taken as evidence of that program's quality. Indeed, BPC's students are self-selecting for those who are more likely to succeed, since those who are willing to invest a significant deposit in their poker development are also more likely to be willing to put in the effort (this is why the deposit makes sense).

It follows that one can only reach any conclusions on the quality of BPC's coaching from outside when one has data on results of all the intake, rather than the isolated outcomes that BPC publishes. Indeed, there is no reason, if BPC is anywhere near as good as they claim, there should be a strong incentive for them to publish anonymised versions of these data.

I do predict that any response to this will do one or more of the following: a) refuse to substantially engage with the points made; b) argue ad hominem against myself, rather than my argument; and/or c) quote numbers (usually from HansTheGreat or Imachampion) and attempt to distract a reader from the relevant issues.

And I'm going to close this by providing evidence from people who went through the program and DO KNOW if it's good or not.

For those who prefer empirical data, rather than abstract speculation.

VIDEO TESTIMONIALS FROM FORMER STUDENTS: LINK

Case studies of around 40 students who already finished the program: LINK

Interviews with 100+ students making up to $10k, and they are still only students of ours: LINK


Interviews with the latest two "isolated" guys making $11k, and $10k this month: LINK 1, LINK 2.

And the September monthly rankings, top three "isolated" winners:



Exactly. Want to crush the games as badly as these guys do? Self-select here:

6-max players, click HERE.
ZOOM players, click HERE.
MTT players, click HERE.
Heads-Up players, click HERE.

There is more than enough responses for this already! You can check a few posts back. I can summarize for you as well:

You can check all the CFP finishers HERE.

You can also read interviews HERE. (Not only from finishers but also from guy that are still in the program)

And you can check their progress on their blogs HERE.

LOL these haters are getting more and more ******ed wtf.

Hey guys!

The week and the month are finished! We had 3 NLHU students making €10k+ this month!



Congrats Gonchan, Dorin and Fred!

This week I want to introduce you to two of our Coaching for Profits finishers:

Meet Rylan:



Rylan didn’t finish only one CFP program, he finished two!The first one was the NL HU program, that he finished in record time (7 months and 13 days). And the second was the PLO HU program, that he also finished in record time (6,5 months). On top of that, he also has the best day record (€14861)
He has a simple advice for you: “Find a coach and do what he says.”

➥ CLICK HERE to read an article about him.

Do you also want to make 10k, 20k or 30k Euro per month playing poker?
➥ CLICK HERE for more information.

Meet Jaschka:



Jakob “Jaschka” Schilk was a struggling micro stakes player before joining CFP, citing mindset issues as a major hurdle to becoming the player he wanted to be. Inspired by HansTheGreat, Jaschka started the program at NL2 6-max on PokerStars with the goal of building his bankroll to 20k over the next 9 months. Within just 8 weeks in CFP, Jaschka went from NL2 to NL20 and had already won over 1k.

➥ CLICK HERE to read an interview with him

Do you also want to turn poker into a source of income?
➥ CLICK HERE for more information.

I dont know why bpc support waists anytime with thedefinitearticle.
Guy failed on a MICRO site that couldnt earn more tham $20 per month to pay for hosting.
Thats ad hominem but still true! It males life easy and effective if we have an ez way to distinguish between dummies masked as intellectual thinkers ( thedefinite) and real winners like bpc.


So my best advice is. Read what he says and do the opposite. All this wannabe omg i am an analytical skeptic. Lol. People understand this stuff.

If for some evolutionary accident bpc just happens to be the best, i take that. Winners are still winners. I am 100times more skeptical and analytical than all these haters.

If it were so easy why do they all fail?!! You dont need to think any further. Most of the time the easiest explanation is the best. Occams razor. The reason they dont get it is why they suck as coaches.

And yes ppl join bpc bc they wanna be on the winner team. Selection bias lol. Any non autistic person would say they like to do what works and join a winning team.

If you find some pseudoscientific explanation and it gives u an intellectual boner, fine.

The fact that nobody else has even one damn success is more than enough evidemce when we have it coming in daily lol.
You are a fool and your pseudo request for anonimized data. Pleaaase.

What haters dont realize is how they are being strategically used. Once you realize that dumb pseudointellectuals cant change it gives you incredible power and control over them bc the last thing they will admit to themselves is that they were useful 1diots.

You can see living proof how they make fun of people earning millions and try to shame us in not quoting them. By that they keep reminding everybody of the fact that people make millions with us.

I mean those dummies literally took 2 shots at us to prove how “bad” my coaching was and i talk how both make more than all of them combined. Today.
Lol its comical beyond imagination.

They are so resistant to truth and reality. The fact that everybody comes to BPC does not even make them question themselves once!!!
Instead they show autistic behaviour and say everybody is clueless and hopeless despite outearning them 10000x.

This is mind control at its peak. Just read and enjoy.

You really have to be stupid in order to doubt all the success that BPC has produced over the years. Last month there were 3 people who had 10K+ euro months. What further proof do you need for the efficiency of the coaching program?

I joined the zoom program as a BE player on NL10z. Now I have a 4bb/100 wr on NL25z.

There are countless examples of really successful players within BPC and all of their results are being publicly recorded. Just visit the site and you'll see it for yourself.

You're absolutely right! Now that you're already beating NL25z, go beat NL50z! You can do it!

I am currently in the Ironman 6max group on BPC and can't say enough good things about Iron as a coach. He has a great and very easy to understand style of teaching and has opened up my mind to so many aspects of NL holdem. He can clearly and concisely explain a topic that in the past I would have had trouble understanding. I have no doubt that under his guidance I will be able to keep moving up the stakes and crushing the games. Highly highly recommended. Thanks Iron for everything so far, and looking forward to seeing all the progress that I will continue to make in the future!

Thanks for the nice review, mls2323!

Singing for BPC was really good decision for me personally. I have learned a lot of new things and i achieved what i could achieve on my own, but in a lot lot longer time. There are no shortcuts in poker or in live, but BPC find their way!

Joined right when I got 18 this year in August. First month went badly but I managed to still profit all in all! I am really statisfied so far and can recommend it to anyone who is willing to push it as far as possible!

You know the 10000 Hours rule?

With BPC you can call it the 1000 Hour rule, and achieve the same !

Thanks for the nice reviews, TheProject20 and loliufg!

Our job is to make this a 10000000000 hour rule. If we get a good review from you after one month, we did something wrong. You're supposed to hate us. We're not pushing hard enough. Sorry for letting you down (no sarcasm).

Either way, thanks anyways, hard to be angry for a compliment!

Please don't be satisfied, that's the worst thing you can do to yourself. It's not a joke. I only realized this consciously after a now 6-figure/month student told me how i told him he achieved nothing after his first 10k month. He was happy and proud and he told me he felt really bad when i blew it away like it's nothign (because it IS NOTHING). It was a natural reaction, I wasn't trying to be mean or anything.

Same with you. I hope you enjoy your time in CFP, you're 18. You have an incredible chance, you can save so much time and not do mistakes that others did. I personally believe we failed as coaches if you don't make 100k by the time you are 20.

There is no such thing as 'most transparency'. You are either transparent or you don't. In this case BPC is not. That's totally ok cause they are entitled to handle their business any way they see fit but if they only publish certain numbers and refer to others as being internal they are simple not transparent. Can't really argue there.

First of all...we don't know each other, i never applied for your program and I also quit playing poker 27 month ago when my daughter was born (played a few k hands during that time but that‘s it). I still like reading about poker and also love some drama that's why nowadays I come on 2p2 and read threads in the poker goals and also coaching section.

Second...I personally don't like your marketing approach (I don't have to and you certainly don't give a s**t) and you as a person also seem way to aggressive (you and your players may call it passionate) but that's fine. It's seems to work for you and since you are not forcing anyone to join your program while holding a gun to their head you are free to do whatever you like. Good luck with that.

What really annoys me nonetheless and leads me to make a post after basically not being an active member of the poker community anymore is the way you praise your program by posting those big winnings graphs and call that publicly verified as if that means anything (and also critize others that don’t do that). You do realize that I can log into my HM2 database and produce graphs and stats that will show that I won 50k playing NL100 and NL200 over the last 4 months. It will only take 1-2 hours. Certainly won’t hold up if i have to send the hands to someone but that’s not the point.

If i post a picture of me standing next to or sitting in a corvette mean that I am the owner of such a car. I mean...by your logic it's publicly verified right?

I really don’t accuse you of altering graphs or anything. They might as well be real and are part of your marketing plan. It’s also not unethical/shaddy to do that (if they are not altered of course) but once you are getting into a pissing contest (hope that’s the right phrase, non native speaker here) with other coaches/stables with an argument that is not really an argument (cause graphs can be manipulated way too easy and they are not verified by an independant party) it’s just misleading imo.

Anyways…I just wanted to point out that winning graphs on the internet should not really determine which stable/program a player joins and certainly don’t determine if a stable/programm is any good (unless verified by an independant party but I don’t see how that is possible). Every player that is an active member of the poker community for over a year will know that but especially the new ones might not. So this post is for all the newbies. Don’t just join a stable/program cause of some winning graphs and don’t exclude a program/stable if they don’t post such graphs. There are other ways to find out if the stable/program is a good fit for you.

@messedupp very original insight, never heard before... The amount of evidence doesn't matter, maybe it's all faked.

Yes, maybe the earth is flat and all the photos and textbooks are faked. Have you been to space to verify it???

Have you been to Fidji? How do you know it exists??? Anybody can fake photos of an island.

Do you believe there's a war in Iraq? have you been there to verify it? Or only seen vids and photos which anybody can fake?

Age-old debate for bored people (maybe it's time to go back to poker . Yes, maybe there's an evil demon living behind the moon and manipulating you, and you don't really exist.

Or maybe you need a new hobby to occupy your mind

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Here's some more "fake" stuff:

VIDEO TESTIMONIALS FROM FORMER STUDENTS: LINK

Case studies of around 40 students who already finished the program: LINK


Interviews with 100+ students making up to $10k, and they are still only students of ours: LINK


Interviews with the latest two guys who "faked" making $10k+ last month: LINK 1, LINK 2.

Photos, videos, graphs. Yes, maybe all these people don't exist. Maybe we have 100 actors on our payroll to keep sending fake photos and videos, update their blogs and come to our poker camps every year.








And maybe people we work with, and have worked with (and/or will work with in the future), maybe they are all fake. WSOP bracelet winners, WPT winners, top Sharkscope yearly winners, respected coaches with 10+ years of experience, HM official video producers...

Maybe it's all fake. Evil demon behind the moon stuff.

Pokernews says our MTT coach won the biggest online MTT in history, for example.



Were you there?? Could be faked!!!

Love how you skipped over reality and the overwhelming evidence, publicly posted weekly/daily for 6+ years, 100+ testimonials and took a long rant to basically say anybody can fake a HM2 graph. Except it's not just a HM2 graph you see in BPC, is it? Religious debates aside - we DO exist. And there's proof we are real people... It feels ridiculous to even write this, but hey that's the forums

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For those who DO believe in empirical evidence and do NOT have a need to debate the existence of universe in their free time - here are the coaching programs on offer which produced all these results:

6-max players, click HERE.
ZOOM players, click HERE.
MTT players, click HERE.
Heads-Up players, click HERE.

Meanwhile, in the real world...

Scott, our Welsh HU student from Swansea, just made his first €10,000+ month ever at the tables. Congratz Scott, there's more to come!



Interview with Scott: LINK


In other news, CFP finisher Alfredo from Algarve, Portugal, returns to help coach the new generation:



Interview with Alfredo: LINK.

Lol...really...first of all very classy and original to spell my name wrong. When it comes to good critics from guys like mls2323 or loliufg or TheProject20 you get it all correct but once there is even a neutral review you get all condescending and make fun of me.

You do realize that I did not even write anything negative right? You are the ones that bring up those graphs every time someone gets into your face. I never said that you alter your graphs/stats and you know that (if you actually read my post). The fact that some stables/programs post graphs and some don't doesn't change the quality of the coaching even one bit.

You may even have the best program out there...if that's the case...congrats and well done...but 'publicly verified' is just a total bs-phrase with zero value when it comes to graphs/stats and I am pretty sure you are aware of that. You are handling your public relations like Donald Trump is handling politics. People are either with you or against you and if they are not with you they are against you and you are throwing everything against them but arguments.

You should really think about handling this thread with a little more humility. The bigger and more successful you get the more comments/replies you get and not all are just positive. True size is reflected in success and purposely spelling my name wrong and throwing maybe-the-earth-is-flat-arguments at me is kinda comical and immature IMO.

Oh...and if you actually really went into a discussion with someone about how stats/graphs prove anything please link me to that post. I am always eager to learn and if I said something wrong I will happily admit that.

Well this we can agree on.

I guess that's a criticism, or maybe just a random anti Donald Trump rant.. Not sure. Hard to say, since the guy did win the "game of politics" at the last election, wiping the floor with competition. I guess that somehow means he is bad at it. Whatever.

Ok, we'll start hiding the $10k months and post more humble graphs. And send some mosquito nets to Africa. Don't want to upset anybody's ego here, lol. Alternative solution - if $10k+ braggs bother you, don't read this thread. You will see plenty of them, all day long. We have too many of them, and we're not about to start toning our voice down to not upset any delicate snowflakes out there. The day poker becomes politically correct will be the day it becomes boring. So for now - it's man's locker-room talk here ITT, buddy. You quit poker, our guys are crushing it. That's life. Save the moralizing.


Sure you did. You just didn't have the courage & integrity to say it directly, but were hiding it behind some passive-aggressive "any graph can be faked" rant. Same story. You came and joined the debate about our students' publicly documented results and wrote long paragraphs into our thread explaining how graphs can easily be faked. Now you're backing out, saying you only meant to post a "neutral review". It's ok, we accept the apology.

Look away now:

VIDEO TESTIMONIALS FROM FORMER STUDENTS: LINK

Case studies of around 40 students who already finished the program: LINK


Interviews with 100+ students making up to $10k, and they are still only students of ours: LINK

Sorry for the catchy red color, next time we post in gray

I said ‘may as well‘…glad you agree that this is not a fact.

So Donald Trump is your role model as a business. You do realize that nothing he promised is happening right now. Mexico is not paying for this wall, Obama Care is still in place, tax laws are still the same and on top of that he is dividing his country like no other president ever did before…one hell of a guy. Does this mean you are just selling empty promises like he does?

Same serious alternative facts here…guess this means you are the Kellyanne Conway of BPC. But in case I didn’t make myself clear…maybe it’s late at night or early in the morning wherever you live and I am a really nice guy so I will lay it out for you one more time…all I am saying is:
You really should stop trying so hard to read between the lines and stop trying to see things that simply aren’t there. I never apologized. Still waiting on the link to the discussion/some arguments but I guess all I am getting is more testimonials. Is this how you usually interact with players when they send you a mail…you just reply with testimonials?

LOL, are we really now discussing politics here? I've been doing my thing, never bothered with politics that much. We have been like we've been for years, before Donald Trump (the politician) even was a thing.

Maybe Donald Trump copied BPC, Messenjupp please investigate! I also have Russian blood, maybe it's that. I could have been used without even knowing it.

Ok, seriously tho, they should cut internet access in the mental institutions. Messenjupp, go back to your doctor. Give mum a hug and all will be fine.
And sorry for posting proof. Evidence and facts can really be annoying, i know. However, there is an easy cure. You will find plenty of other threads in this forum without any evidence of success at all. I'm sure you'll feel better there.

:::::MESSENJUPP NEWS:::::

BPC Support suspected to be a poker supremacist. He is intolerant towards irrational crybabies. He propagandizes his fact based approach. We should all stand up against real evidence and demand more "reviews from friends and family" instead of honest student testimonials.

More random rants about Trump and Obamacare... Who cares, buddy. Is this still a debate about poker coaching and our results?

Just in case it is, here are our top 3 students for this month:


And here are the poker coaching programs we offer:

6-max players, click HERE.
ZOOM players, click HERE.
MTT players, click HERE.
Heads-Up players, click HERE.

For those who are not aware, our programs are RISK-FREE: You only pay for coaching, if you win.

And a video summary of what we do in those programs:




I know. It's weird. You come to BPC's poker coaching thread, and you get testimonials from their students. As if that's relevant to anything!

Oh wait...

Which of your coaches specialises in solvers?
How did your top 3 6-max students for the month do?
Are you not worried long-term about the fact that HU is completely solved?

Hello there.. Anyone having registered to the zoom rookie program? any feedback? cheers..