The PLO program is not active anymore, hence no finishers of the 60k. The coach became very busy with family (babies) and other priorities in his life. IIRC there were people close/crossing the 30k mark. Not that this satisfies me at all, but that's how it is.

About the rest, we're extremely transparent (check our original post) and still the only ones in the world (!) who prove from day 1 to turn losers into winners. Again and again.

The numbers, fair game to ask, but i have explained this earlier in the thread in detail.

I'd happily do this if we had any competition, but so many people tried to copy us over the years, and they're all gone. Our success rate is insanely high. If our students did not profit very well, we'd be out of business tomorrow.

We've published a lot, and some golden Gems i can't even publish (the BEST stories), because once people reach a certain level of success, they become more private about it. That's life.

The stuff we are allowed to publish is still more than good enough, and 100x better than anything you'll find, so no worries.

I'm a current CFP Crusher student, in a program from March 2017.

I chose BPC, because free materials provided by them appeared to be of highest quality. On top of that, you only pay if you win - which is great because if you don't find it worthwhile, you can just quit and only lose a deposit.

My advice before joining CFP programme - join only if you're sure about your dedication towards becoming a successful poker professional. The program is NOT friendly towards 'casual' players, however if you're willing to put necessary effort, you will receive all tools that you need to really crush the game.

As for results? When I joined I was break-even on NL25ZOOM on PS.UK, right now I'm beating NL200 (10.8 BB/100 but only over 40k hands, best month 4.7k in EV) on PS.UK . And that's all while working full time, so being able to only play 50-60h monthly. If I was playing full time I'm pretty sure I'd be among finishers right now. But don't worry about that - I've already quit my job, notice period ends in 3 weeks which is when I'll start crushing full time

Thanks for the nice review! I'm sure you'll destroy the tables even more after start playing full-time!

Was thinking about this some more and because you say you publicy report from day 1 your students progress etc and apparently like to be completely transparent to everybody here:

Could you post numbers of all the students you have taken up from each group and then how many failed (ie they lost their deposit) and how many actually succeeded.

I would like to have a ratio of this. I would like to see the numbers so we can all have transparency about just how many people actually finish your programs.

For all we know those 10 finishers you boast about were 10 of 1000 players. I can't know for sure of course so it would be nice to get some numbers.

We don't keep track of numbers like that. Some people join and then quit, but must of the time is their own fault for not taking the program seriously. See, the success stories you see are from guys that study and played a lot, they were not lazy. So if you join and do everything needed to succeed (we'll always tell what you should do), you'll succeed.

But like I said, not everyone does that. Some people join and try to do things in their own way, or just join and don't study and don't play, those are the guys that don't succeed. They don't succeed because they did something wrong or their mentality was bad. Why would keep track of them and put this on a ratio? We did our part, they didn't do their part.

You don't keep track of the number of sign ups? That seems a little strange, after that all you need to do is subtract amount of finishers from sign up and then amount left in the program. It's not rocket science and frankly seems like you are hiding something.

As I told you it might well be that you only have finishers that were going to crush poker regardless or they were already doing well. They say that 1 in 10 people win at poker, so if your program is not really helping the other 9 people then it's useless to them.

Indeed this is strange and should be cause for concern. BPC taking $500 deposits from people, making them sign formal contracts yet not keeping track of said number of people?

Combined with this: I typically don't make much of an effort to police these sorts of issues, but I find it incredibly frustrating that people still fall victim to these sorts of schemes. You claim complete transparency yet fail to disclaim the most basic (and important) information.

@tikmassy

How many finished? not "10 people", around 40 and counting: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/BPC-Hall-Of-Fame/

all real people, real faces, real graphs.

many more making a good living, but still inside the program: CLICK HERE for 13 pages of our blogs, each filled with interviews from students who turned their game around and making money now. Must be 100+ people just on our blog.

@ishter: not just from 2013, but yes that's when the first guys completed. As you have pointed out, we have a long tradition of successful students going years back. And publicly documented. Jealous much? Still waiting for your 1st before-after story. zzzzzzzzzz....


September 2017:


Kenta, our Japanese ninja at €11.5k for the month, and counting: LINK

How did BPC help you to improve your game?

BPC showed exactly what a professional and winner poker player was doing, not only about gameplay but also their mentality and good habits they have.

Some of their stories were never shared in the poker community I was in.

The coaching program is simple, not unnecessarily complicated like the other coaching I joined.

BPC knows what is best for the student through a long coaching history.


Who has been your favorite coach so far in the NLHU program? The one that influenced your game the most?

This is a difficult question for me. All coaches gave me great insight to the game, however, if I have to choose, Nubson and Lauri, both of them gave me very good feedback, which worked wonders on my game.

All in all, how do you like the program so far? Study material, coaching sessions, etc.

I like all the system and the constant feedback I get from the coaches and from the students.

I watched many videos before joining CFP, but when I tried to apply something from those videos, I definitely think there was a big gap between what was taught on the video and my game even after trying many times.

CFP solved and filled this gap with constant and accurate feedback. This was one of the most important things for me.


Has the BPC Community helped so far in any possible way? How?

This community was very important to me, especially when I lost my confidence about my game.

They gave me good feedback, which helped me a lot (even using strong language sometimes 🙂 )



September 2017:




Dorin, at €9,000+ for the month, and counting: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/do...ads-up-tables/


In which stake did you start and which stakes you’re playing now?

I started playing NL2 and now I play up to NL500. Soon I’ll add some NL600 tables. The target is the sky!

Who has been your favorite coach so far in the NLHU program? The one that influenced your game the most?

Every coach has his credit, I like them all – Ivan likes to chat and gives great motivational things on top of strategy.

Nubson is straightforward telling what to do so you learn how to print money

Daniel likes to go deeper and open our eyes so we evolve in the future. Lauri – is closer as I cough him in the program a short period and I can

Lauri – I was close to him while he was in the program so I can easily ask him questions as a friend.

And there is Gordon, who is straight to the point with a simple strategy which shows results.

I am taking things for each one of them so that I improve myself and as I said, the sky is the limit!

All in all, how do you like the program so far? Study material, coaching sessions, etc.

I like it a lot. With the new changes being implemented now, I think it will be even better and simpler than before.


Has the BPC Community helped so far in any possible way? How?

There are some changes and we might be helping each other a lot more now. So far I made some groups with a few BPC members so we can work on our game together.


In your opinion, what is the best part of being in the Coaching for Profits NLHU program?

Learning all the strategy and a lot of other things, including getting to know people from all over the world.


more testimonials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7T4...OuHkhHKIyp3fR6

That quote pretty much sums up what we do in coaching for profits programs.

You're avoiding the question. Posting more success stories is not proof of the quality of coaching.

We can all see the successfull students, they get posted again and again (nothing against this). So there are about 40 according to your words. But what about the guys that don't make it?

Now if you truly do not keep records of how many entered that would be extremely unprofessional and I very much doubt that BPC is unprofessional when it comes to running a business.

Even if this is the case you must have some sort of estimate of how many people have joined so far. Is it 100? 500? 1000? 5000? etc?

Also if you claim it is natural that some people don't make it because of their own lazyness then I agree. However you cannot then hold that same fact against other coaches. If some of those people fail in your program it is only natural that other coaches have the same issue.

You request transparency from all the other coaches (again fair enough) but you do not provide any verifiable measure of success for potential students yourself. You hide behind a limited number of success stories (again fine by me, but not when you keep talking about verifiable results of other coaches). You can post a million success stories, if they came from 100 million entries the whole thing is a huge faillure (not saying this is the case, just asking for real numbers).

So until we get the real and complete numbers, verifiable for 3rd parties, you are no more (or less) successful than any one else.

Define success (no please don't, it's a rhetorical statement). I didnt say there are 40. I said about 40 finishers. And I linked (probably, didn't count) over 100+ guys that gave an interview and posted good-to-great results, but didnt finish (yet).

here they are again: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/ca...-testimonials/

Like the two guys I posted above, Kenta with $11k this month - not a finisher (yet) but is he not a success?

How many $11k months have you had in your career? Not even an $11k year, if I still remember the graphs you showed me correctly, so you're making a fool out of yourself here.

This is still a student of ours and he makes more in 1 month than you in 2 years.

No need to embarrass yourself further.

Brilliant. I dont know if you guys even read what you post.
Your next point will be that making a lot of money doesn't make you successful at poker.

At this point any debate is meaningless. We're different. You guys sound like a basement startup asking Google for their business numbers. Good luck. You will need it. Don't get it confused. Nobody here in this thread demands anything from you. Nobody cares.

Here's the short story, for anybody looking for coaching. Two options:

1) Choose a guy with Acroma's logic. Don't worry about results. Just because you're not winning, it doesn't mean that his coaching is not quality. Just enjoy and meditate on the quality, who needs results. Don't be shallow and money oriented. Pay him for the company and deep poker debates. Just don't ask him about his results, or his students results. Or when your results will come. Don't ruin the moment. Be one with the quality.

2) Choose to join the best poker community out there. Lot's of motivated and successful grinders from all over the world. Expand your horizon. Earn MONEY playing poker. Laugh together with us at statements like this:

Red pill, blue pill, yadayada..

If you want results, come here: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/coaching-for-profits/

Before we argue, pictures and word speak louder. We're the real deal. Other ("competing") coaches here are autistic basement rats who can't even afford a website.

Here is real life, real numbers, real facts.

https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/bp...7-recap-part-1


It should be noted that Akroma is a failed coach who tried to coach CFP himself, so he actually knows how hard it is. He has a success rate of 0. Same is the case for other coaches. They all fall victim to our superior way of being.
I even tried to support & encourage him in private instead of publicly celebrating his failure. I respected the fact that he had enough balls to do it publicly like myself when i started. So i'm a bit disappointed, but perhaps not surprised.

Thinking "just get enough people, one of them will make it". If it's so easy, why can you dummies not even afford to have a website .

So what's going on:
It doesn't work that way. Have you ever blindly invested and gotten lucky? Have you ever played poker as a noob and won? Maybe once or twice, but typically you go broke very fast. You see other failed coaches who say they coached half-full time not even able to provide ONE (!) successful student.

Ironically many/most coaches, don't even get "lucky" once. BPC gets "lucky" all the time. So anybody who thinks it's easy, why aren't there many other people with even remotely our success .

How often did we get laughed at and ridiculed, especially on my first students.

"Go home, work at McDonalds" . Imachampion and Hansthegreat got mocked constantly. It's always the same people who have NEVER done anything in their life. They come, they troll.

But you know what. WE WIN. We always do.

What about the few who don't make a profit:
We hope they at least have a really fun time! The bigger we got, it was impossible to keep up our 100% success rate. Others start with 0% and end with 0%, but those are minor details
All students get a full high-quality course and tons of free coaching. Not the worst deal in the world when the same thing would cost them thousands of Euros otherwise.

The alternative is to waste money on frauds like Akroma and other coaches who offer(ed) 1-1 coaching without any guarantee. If you don't make it, you have nothing.

I asked for simple proof of numbers because I want to know if indeed you turn losing players into winning ones. It might well be that those 40 people that completed were already part of the 10% of players that are winners. I mean you probably have over 400 people enter, am I right??? If I'm right then you are only getting the 10% to finish, that's the same amount of people that already win in poker.

You probably are not turning any loser into a winning player but rather just speeding up the process of players that were going to be winners anyway.

That's my main point, if you don't tell us how many have failed then we really can't judge you. We can only take your word that you are the "real deal". No need to hurl insults here, but I am calling you on your own words ie transparency and that you indeed turn losing players into winners.

This is for another discussion but worth mentioning, might I also mention how bad this is for all poker. You guys are the main reason why poker is dying at the rate it is. You are the reason why fish find it less fun, play less and don't stick around long enough to have some fun. They get beat up too fast and even fish like to win now and again, by making everyone solid a lot faster than they would other wise, all you are really doing is killing the game long term! But for your short term greed that's all good, I guess.

Btw a website is free nowadays!

I shortened your quote and inserted answers.

So how many have joined the program?

This is getting tiresome, have you got something to hide?

Confirmed mosquito net scammer checking in

Tikmassy, we're the ISIS of poker. You follow or your head gets cut off. (Concern trolls: I am figuratively speaking)

Plastic: You're catching up, becoming more humorous. A good laugh has never hurt anybody! Next year you guys get a friendly invitation to compete. You bring the nets (**** ton of mosquitos in southern France), we bring the guns :

You can check yourself HERE. Those are people starting blogs that are in some of our programs.

We're modern Poker-ISIS btw, women are allowed to join.

And in the middle of all that discussion... You can see some photos of real people from our community.

The BPC Camp Recap 2017 is here! Check out why you will not skip any BPC event from now on. It was epic! And it’s just the 1st part of the story…

https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/bp...-recap-part-1/

So you don't want to reveal the real numbers? I am not interested having a debate or battle or whatever the fook you are trying to do. I just want some transparency, I thought you were all about that?

That and turning losing players into winning ones?

How many have joined? How many have completed so far? It's not rocket science. If you are the best of the best and you have nothing to hide then show us the damn numbers! Why are you posting nonsense posts about blogs and parties and ****, and avoiding the question?

You know what, I am starting to think that I hit the nail on the head and in fact you only have a 10% conversion rate of successful players.

Calm down, you're gonna have a heart attack!

Here's a number for you: our MTT head coach Bencb789 won the Super High Roller for $1,172,461, still the biggest online MTT in history, if i'm not mistaken, with a buy-in of $102,000:





More details about our MTT Coaching for profits program:




Anybody interested, you can join our MTT team here: LINK

Remember, with BPC, you only pay if you win.

ZzZzZz, I'm super calm buddy, no need to worry about my heart. I am just wondering why you are avoiding the question and posting nonsense that has nothing to do with the question.