(Gordon writing)

HEADS UP POKER IS DYING was and is the new "poker is just luck".

Some of the "older" people remember like in 2007 (when i started, jeez, i'm old...) when poker was called dead bc USA had bans etc... well it was still the time when people told you that it's all luck.

Like in all religions and cultures, there are the doomsday people. Some person i know believed that the rapture (Jesus coming back to earth) was imminent - over 15 years ago. You might think after 15 years of evidence to the contrary they'd re-evaluate... Well, actually it's even closer! And if you wait long enough, the world will probably end one day...

Yday i got a message that we have yet another Heads Up finisher. And it's another Swede, Markus.
He's a big dude and almost broke my arm when we wrestled at the Malta event .

And with the "dead" HU games, Vendel set a new record for the best HU month as a student, 16k Euro or so. Not bad for a STUDENT (!) that is still learning and who will keep every single cent to himself in the future.
Year 2019.
At our event in Marrakech he played like a huge donk, but for some reason the BPC event magic (well documented over the years,,,for some reason it's a huge boost to results...) infected him. Probably good that i never bet against students, bc i would have taken any bet that we would not break Lauris record.

We will soon link you to an article with an interview.

Gl at the tables!

Hey, thanks for the response, I couldn't see a free trial option? I'd be interested in that, thanks!

Follow steps and try to buy it, the free trial version should still be available (automatically, there is no way to buy without it). If you need any help or have some technical problems, you can email us to support@bestpokercoaching.com

It's now possible to get the academy for specific games:

6-max, Spin & Go, MTT, PLO, and ZOOM academy.

Or get the complete package, the Shark Academy.

More info here: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/shark-academy/

Postflop automation now possible

Ever get confused postflop?

Improvising is a bad idea and will cost you a lot of money over the long run.

If you don't know what to do with specific hands, or don't have your system memorized, this could help:

>>>> Automate your POSTFLOP game

It's meant for ZOOM games specifically, but applies to cash games in general also.

So not only are you giving

1. terrible advice (if anyone doesn't believe that just follow the link and watch some of the advice given in the video),
2. that only works on the flop or if the board structure doesn't change in any major way on Turn or River and
3. that is impractical and slow to use when playing anything more than 1 table,

but also you're just blatantly cheating with such a tool by the standards of just about any ToS out there (as it is clearly meant to be used in real time, if you advertise that people don't need to memorize anything anymore).

Well played!

So which is it buddy? Is it "unfair advantage" or is it that the tool is giving "bad advice", so it's no advantage at all to those who use it?

Some people are really bored...

It gets worse, we also have preflop automation tools:

Click here for Spin & Go Preflop Automation

Click here for 6-max Preflop Automation

For those who enjoy "unfair" advantage. Obv don't break TOS guys, gamble responsibly jadajada...

As these are not mutually exclusive, a tool can indeed be both illegal and horrible. As demonstrated here nicely.

@WarPix

Thanks for your sharing your thoughts.


1. Guilty as charged. We made our students (mostly losing players!) several millions over the years. Our secret was giving terrible advice. Guess we just got lucky a couple million times.

2. Correct. Unfortunately it can only do exactly what it says in the description. It's a tool and the tool is only as effective and useful as the person using it. It can give advantages over those who don't ,tho.
Poker tracker, HEM, H2N are ultimately more complex, but the same rules applies there as well.

3. Yep, 10 tabling zoom is not made easier. LEARNING BY DOING is the main and deeper purpose . Automate is not only the machine but yourself. How often do you think before raising AA preflop?! There you go, we all automate, some just take it to the next level.


I'll save sarcastic remarks about poker sites, TOS and this type of discussion. But if you wanted to make a point here, please elaborate.

As a serious side note, i have always been a fan of banning all tools on all sites. It's like playing chess and using an engine while playing. That would be ridic.
Well, not exactly like that. I do see the argument for live Huds and why they can't be compared 100% to chess engines, but there is a point to be made.
In my ideal poker world, people use tools for training at home, nothing during the game.


WarPix, thx for your input, feel free to point out specifics as well if you wish to. Even if we disagree at everything, you are helping our community here to make more informed decisions by sharing your view. People can then judge the merits of what you say for themselves.

Thx for that and have a good day.

Right but regardless of how good or bad the software is it clearly breaches almost every poker sites ToS and will get your customers banned from the sites. It is clearly advertised as a zoom tool for use in-game. Not post game. This shouldn't even be allowed to be advertised on twoplustwo. I can't believe that such a big stable/coaching company would want to sell a 99$ tool that guarantees their members a ban. (Please dont be niece enough to think places like P*s wont ban players because they will especially since recently they even started cracking down on stuff as simple as charts)

We are not aware of any bans of members using our automation tools, now or in the past, to improve their game.

That said, the poker landscape changes all the time.

As poker players we should always do our own research and make sure to use any tool, whether charts or anything else, in ways that don't breach the ToS of the specific room we play on.

We don't recommend using any tool, whether from BPC or not, in ways that break ToS. That goes without saying.

Some sites are more strict, some less.

As you say, some are even cracking down on preflop charts.

Btw, as another thought...To use an analogy, we are against nuclear weapons. Totally, the world would be a better place without them.
In poker, online poker and all poker would be great without ANY software or tools. The same way we have ALWAYS (!) been against Rakeback. And people ask us why we have great deals and encourage players...
Those are not mutually exclusive. You have to play the cards you get, even if you wish they were AA and KK.


In the real world it unfortunately only takes ONE bad actor to mess up the nuclear peace game theory. Now you can decide to bite the bullet and get nuclear yourself and hope for some type of stalemate.

Poker sites are also officially against bots, underage gaming. But you know what? I was playing when people literally were given the option to change their age on pokerstars. You can say immature industry etc, and you're right. But i can give you more cases. All top players know this, starting from American IPs to whatever. We've saved our players tons of money.

Poker sites were not against bots until they became as good as some of them are today.

Ok, what has changed back then to today? Well, i can tell you the "ethics" certainly didn't. Bots were fine as long as they generated rake. What changed is that some bots are good enough to kill regular customers that wont return.

As you might have guessed, MONEY is the reason.

So now some poker sites try to ban charts. Really?! Like maybe we all have to play with webcams to show that our walls have no paper charts printed out.

So to all, don't use TOS as some type of ethical argument (not claiming u did).

Tell me a site with zoom games where this program doesn't break ToS? Also your members have no bans yet, does that mean that they wont get banned? Do you really think sites cant detect this software? They generally execute bans in waves. This type of software is an assistant. I just think if you are advertising software that breaks ToS on every site I know that offers zoom games then you should be transparent and say that.

Your analogy with guns is ridiculous. You are not allowed to sell someone a gun, or anything else for that matter, if you know they are going to use it to commit a crime. If you had sold this as a postflop analysis tool youd have no backlash, if people used it in realtime and got banned then thats their fault. But you, as quite a well known coaching community, have decided to target newbies with a tool that will 100% get them banned because it is 100% clear that it breaks ToS.

I really really cant comprehend why you think this tool wont get players banned? Are you naive enough to believe that your program slips under the radar? Oh my, I've figured it out, did you name is notepad.exe so pokerstars cant detect the process running? Come on.. they'll just wait til they have enough users/data and execute a ban wave. It doesnt matter about your 'opinion on charts' and that this software is 'just like a chart'. This is assistant software / dynamic charts for postflop scenarios. You cant liken this to a handful of static preflop charts that someone has stuck on their wall. And pokersites agree, these two things are not one and the same. Have you even read the ToS of the bigger sites?

Because of your stupid analogies that make zero sense people on this site who trust your well known company and your poor judgement are going to end up getting banned and losing money. Its irresponsible of you.

And can you just stop with the "people played underage blabla" "pokersites allowed bots when they were rake machines, until they started winning blabla". So because some individuals / group of people got away with breaking the ToS that entitles you to break the ToS? And frankly if u want to take that gamble that is fine.

But what is not fine is to advertise this on the best known forum in poker, from a well known company, to people who dont know the poker world inside out like us. You, and this forum have a responsibility to these people. No where do you advertise which sites this doesnt break ToS on. No where have you consulted sites to ask if this software is OK to be used there. You have advertised it for real time use in 'zoom' games
Whilst I understand zoom games have become a generalised term for any fast fold games, zoom is still a trademark of pokerstars and you could be very much forgiven for being confused by that.

You're being shady and you know it. You are exploiting a bunch of nl5-25 players who simply don't know enough and trust your well known company.

Hi Merlin,

sorry that you feel this way. You seem very emotional and missed facts.
about this. It's ok, you are allowed to feel whatever you wish, but it's not ok to insult others "outside of 2p2", considering you have exactly 13 posts. Even if you had 10.000 posts, i kindly ask you to be respectful. We can fight with fire, but we prefer to be civilised, rational and calm.

There is no site & team that has helped small players achieve more than us.
And i don't know why out of all people they should listen to you, but that's another story.

The fact is that nobody got banned for using charts. Real time (lets use Stars since its the biggest site with most zoom/fast fold games) means that your tool automatically
adjusts. Our does not, it's convenient faster and easier way, but it's still using charts at the end of the day.
H2N had some type of features that i believe is now disabled when playing on Stars. Know the difference, this is key.

If any poker site would approach us we would immediately tell our clients. We don't take poker sites TOS as an ethical guide, but as arbitrary rules that any private business decides to make. But we respect those rules because we don't like losing bankrolls. It's a pretty pragmatic approach.

We're not looking for any moral virtue signaling game. We do what works, what is allowed and that's it. And we make sure to help our players fight on a level field.

Thanks again for your time, thoughts and input. Feel free to add, but please excuse us if we don't engage further on this topic unless a poker site rep says that their rules changed.

In that case we would happily update.

Real time doesn't mean automatic. It means that the tool is used in real time. I.e. not post analysis. I urge you to look up the definition.

"the actual time during which a process or event occurs"

You may have to do some manual input because your tool isnt sophisticated enough to automate, but you do get the results in time to make a decision with them.

Breaking ToS has nothing to do with ethics. ToS are much more than arbitrary rules.

Your ethos of "not been banned yet" is akin to "I've not been caught for xyz crime I committed therefore I'm not being unethical persuading others to do it because they wont get caught"

I'm sorry that I dont actively post that much. I dont see how that makes any difference. You're the ones in the wrong here.

Regardless I wont continue posting in this thread. I will however message the pokerstars rep to come and give their opinion on your software. Just so that any potential customers can be sure that they are completely informed.

Merlin, your definition is not correct, but i do appreciate that your tone became more polite and respectful. That's a good first step.

If you look up on the wall where your paper charts are pinned during the preflop action, you're also breaking TOS . Let's ban everybody with charts and every website offering those charts. I mean, for what do you think are those charts used mostly, for post-game analysis ?

Let's just stop here, maybe Stars rep will come in and i hope he will confirm that all people that look at charts on the wall are fine, while those looking on a screen will get their bankroll confiscated. In this case, you would indeed be right.

That'd be the troll of the century.

Let me repeat, if we get stars to ban all software, this would be a HUGE victory for us and online poker.

But unless that happens, we will unapologetically do whatever it takes to help our students win.


P.s.: Imagine telling your grandchildren you were unsuccessful at online poker for ethical reasons because you over-respected TOS of the poker site that scammed their most loyal clients (Supernova guys) and turned the skill game of poker into a junk gambling.

My definition came directly from Google.

Static preflop charts are not breaking stars ToS, not even their new ToS changes provided they aren't dynamic yada yada.

Your "charts" do break ToS. Pretty simple. Sell your software all you want but don't lie to your customers by saying that what you are selling is no different to preflop charts stuck on a wall.

They always come back

You either don't understand the meaning of static/dynamic or you don't understand our tool. Most likely both.

And if google is a legal authority for terms used in a specific niche, not even God/Allah/Buddha will be able to help you.

I suggest you follow your own advice.

I'll pay $100 to the charity of your choice in your name if a stars rep posts here within one week while you stop posting. Do something good if you really care. Do something you said you have already done


People always ask me why i'm such a good judge of charakter. It's simple. I look at what people DO (and have DONE), not what they say, claim. You can unmask the fakes very fast this way.

Words are cheap. Action has a price. That's why forums are full of losers in general - with some exceptions obviously.
Words cost nothing. Everybody can use the words "scam,lie, google, stars, cheating".

Proven results, facts, 8+ years history of helping students...those are facts that you can't change with a forum post.

Some questions: What is the basis of the spin charts? For example was it created/tested with gto-solver or more with practical experience? Which Villian-play assumption has been made (gto-player, good reg, bad reg, fish...)? And are there diffrent charts vs this players or have u put all together and build an average Vilian for that and then determined the best play against it? Are there also hu-play-charts or only charts for 3handed play?

Is in the calculations the rake included and works it for diffrent limits? For example, in lower limits the average-Villian-Play could be diffrent as in higher limits, how do you deal with this? And have u tested this charts in practice (its one thing to create something theoretically and other to work real in practice...) or have u maybe students who used it successfully? If yes, can u name a few?

Hi, the Spin & Go preflop chart was originally created by a spin pro and coach Pawel who also created our Spin & Go bootcamp, and the chart was recently revised by Paul CogDissonance, who is a long-time pro and coach here at BPC. They are long-term winning players at spins 60-100, I'm not sure how exactly they created the chart, but it would have been a combination of practical experience and optimal theoretical play.

The chart is meant to be simple and practical to use, yet effective. It is not meant to be "theoretically perfect" and cover every possible villain, rake structure and all the other details. It would not be a chart, but a series of books then

You can download it here for free: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/do...preflop-chart/

Playing with automatic software (i.e. the software allowing the user to flick through ranges with the press of a button) live is against PS ToS, and if they can prove you doing so, you will be warned, then banned. It's somewhat of a grey area, as afaik, playing with ranges on your wall isn't against ToS (go figure). E-Mail stars support and see for yourself if you care so much.

You are correct in your understanding.

The devil as always lies in the detail about what automation really is and means.

Again, so far no bans (obviously) because Stars might be evil but they are not completely stupid.

Anybody who can think a little bit knows that it is in Stars interest as well that players improve in skill. Most people don't understand this. It's the GAP between skilled and unskilled that is bad for the sites, not the absolute level of skill. If somebody doesn't understand why, i'll drop a hint:



And then, will they go through every chart of every training site out there and check the level of automation involved?

Somewhere is a line on the scale where each poker site will draw the line and say "this is too much automation". Each site may have a different view on this.

We generally try to stay away from moralising. It's a game some people like to play to one-up each other and virtue signal (often the real cheaters for some funny reason). It's a way to earn pitty and it's pathetic and weak.

It has no effect on real life. If good tools are usable at online poker, they will be used. We can cry about the game or we can play it.

We've been in this long enough. The exact same discussion were had about HUDs 12 years ago. Nothing new under the sun.

Crying isn't a winning strategy in life unless you're a woman and men will compete to save you .

We are about helping people win and give them the tools and knowledge to do so. May the strongest win.

Don't forget, it's a game. It's the POKER SITE's responsibility to set up an environment of fair game and equal opportunity. If they fail, their business will fail. It's not our job to "be the good guys" (whatever that means).

(Gordon writing)

For those with a short memory, we are producing some videos and collected footage from the past...

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...okers-1283299/

My first CFP student. Nobody was doing CFP back then. Everybody laughed at us.

Now everybody wants to copy us. Most tried and failed. I hope that others will also succeed btw, have said this before, years ago. And some i believe have produced already decent results as well.

This market is very small, super hard work, but also very rewarding.


As you can see, we did not ask for "must have a 100k hand winning sample on NL100" or "must have super high IQ" like pretty much everybody else does. They "bumhunt" for genius students .

A good coach doesn't prove himself by helping very good players become better.

Most people would consider Imachamp an average guy.

I didn't view Champ or people in general like this.

Most people would view him probably below average. Guy went broke multiple times. Very average GPA of 2.0 . Seriously underweight. Real life donk (read in his thread how he got owned by beggars).

I believe in people and selected only by one criterium:

Attitude. Champ was willing to kill and die.

The human pieces of garbage in our own thread here and in Champs thread should really take a minute and meditate on this.

The complainers and whiny bitches need to realise this guy had the TOUGHEST conditions in terms of contract with Gordon. His living situation was $hit. Worse than that. Read for yourself.

I hope it does not come off as a surprise that he is doing more than well for himself today in areas outside of poker as well (last update couple months ago, we can't go into too much detail, he doesn't even like me writing about him lol). The guys with the TOUGHEST conditions, the "worst" contracts, they do best today.
I know the numbers.

We're talking 5+ years AFTER the poker-life-school that is BPC. My/our job is to plant the seed, do the job that parents and school SHOULD have done (obv not talking about teaching poker lol).

Students do the rest with their hard work, to be fair, THEY deserve the praise for being willing to listen & learn.

I know i just created a new group of haters who read this, look at their pathetic existence, and feel the need to comment on bull**** such as "OMG YOUR CHARTS ARE DYNAMIC, POKERSTARS DOESN'T LOVE YOU".


But some dumbasses look at a 60k, 100k contract or whatever and say like... OMG i have to pay 50%+ of profits. OMG. SO unfair. HAHA.

I mean, you can't make up this type of stuff. Just read our thread. It's filled with dummy haters, and i love every one of them.

At the same time these brainwashed monkeys will go 200k+ into student debt for their gender studies degree and then wonder why nobody wants to hire them. And then spend their time in OUR forum thread, commenting. LOL. The joke is on you!


RANT OVER, back to producing the vid . Just got inspired when i went through champs and Hansthregreats threads here.

Those guys are some serious mofos and they will succeed in any other area of life as well if they put in the same effort and energy as with poker.

Posted 6 years ago to a question why to choose BPC over Cardrunners.


Answer:

For those too young, he is the founder and one of the guys from whose video i have learnt most from back in the days.


To which i answered:

So as we all know Cardrunners has closed their doors. Why?

They have stopped innovating and improving. And they were the first in the space and have probably made more money than they can count. I am still grateful because the membership i had with them definitely had 1000%+ ROI and it's not even close.

The company still owns HEM/PT which is also slowly getting replaced.

I take this as a warning. While BPC is just a very tiny portion of my income, it is a love project that i am emotionally attached to.

We were fortunate to be able to help so many players change their life completely.

You can never rest on a success in the past. You have to keep pushing.

Other Topic:

Btw, has the Runitonce founder done any CFP? any of it? Or are they too busy virtue signaling free memberships to cheaters (reference to thread in coaching advice lol)?

Or are they too busy scamming the poker community with even higher rake than stars after promising to change the world?

Life Advice: Never trust people whose only strategy is virtue signaling. You don't have to love strength and results, but you can definitely trust it.

For the poker world i hope that their poker site will become successful. Competition is always good. But many guys in the industry agreed with me year(s) ago that it will turn out to be a $hit show although i am still rooting for them. Very twisted feelings here.