Have you seen this?



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Or this?


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i did this program about 6 years ago. it did nothing for my game and i was professional online player for 10 years previously, the money in this is made in the coaching, not the playing imho

Have you seen this??? Ending slavery, yet you expect your students to work howq many hours a week again in order to succeed? Pretty sure you talk about 10 hours a day or else you are lazy??? Get the **** outtas here with your bull****!

9-5 is only 160 hours, you talking about 300+ hours?? SMH!

You seen this???? Blatantly trying to feed of the young aspiring poker player with dreams! You say it works for "many others" like you, owh really why don't you start showing us just how many it works with, show us all the numbers! Not just 50 that have finished it!

If it works so easily why are you so reluctant to show how many signups you have had so far, show us just how easy it works for "many others"!

See this, the constant pissing on your competition, like some used car salesman! You scream you are the best, the industry standard, so why not show us the results? Show us how many have signed up and how many have completed, we will be able to get a ratio from those numbers!




These kind of shady marketing tactics, just no shame. You are trying to scare your customers, make them scared they miss out, by using these tactics, you glamour your service ie "lambo" really lean back, or more like if you don't work 300 hours a month, you not going to make it, and then picture this with this Gordon guy screaming it on video!


Just more scare tactics, essentially saying hey guy, you listen up, everybody at the tables you are playing against is already in this group, so if you want to win at the tables you MUST also join, simply to keep up.

More BS, I guess all the top players like Baron, takechip, Barry, Isildur, Tom Dwan, Phil Ivey etc etc, they all have deals with you right??? They all could not make it without you, right???

I'm tired, I could go on, but you get my point, I hope!

You really want to argue that you don't need intelligence to be a winner in this game or any game for that matter?

I guess we have a different understanding of the word intelligence!

You saying that it does not require intelligence does not mean that it's true!

Is that the only thing you dare to quote from that post, I guess you agree with everything else written, right?

You're entitled to your opinion.

Here are opinions of 3 guys who went through CFP with us and made detailed video presentation about it:







Those are just 3, there are many, many more.

For anybody interested how it is to be a CFP student, you can watch and read interviews with 49 players who finished the program and credited BPC for their development on this page: LINK.

I don't want more opinions of finishers, I want real data that your program actually works for those intended.

Show us how many signups you have had, how many left and how many have finished. Lets see the real numbers!

Now unless you really have something to hide, I expect yo see those numbers soon, if not lets agree, you are no better than the coaches you piss on, ok!

Those guys spent months and years with BPC, and give a detailed break-down of everything. You don't have to watch it, and you don't have to be convinced. Do what you want, it's your life, GL.

For any ambitious poker player reading, I highly recommend those 3 videos above, they are a real eye-opener, whether you're getting coaching with us or somebody else, or just trying to make it by yourself.

After watching those 3 vids, if you still have doubts about making it in poker, this webinar will put them to rest:

White Gatsby, lets test your intellectual honesty, can we? Feel free to answer yes/no.

What is your motivation for posting here?

There are other sites selling poker knowledge and you're clearly not a good fit for BPC. Yet, you're spending quite a lot of time boosting our views (thanks for that btw). If you think your lies and cheap shots hurt us, read this thread from the start (7 years+). You're not the first and wont be the last.
We're still here. The smears are all the same, and you think your insight is any special.
Same lines, "selling a dream". Are you guys robots?

Are you trying to save the world from an "evil" poker coaching site?
Poker activism? Trying to make up for other short comings (pun intended) ?

If "transparency" is so important to you. Wouldn't you want to "go after" and "question ethics" of any coach/site not doing coaching for profits?

They can sell their videos and make "free money" on top (if it is so easy...)

Video training sites is the easiest business. $100 website. Pros blablabla on videos, hasn't changed in the last 10 years. Some couldn't even make that business work (LOL) and had to close.

WE actually put in effort. Our videos have deep structure and concepts. We get paid by the profits of our players. So by definition the fact that we are still around is all the proof that you need. You're just too dumb to understand it.

We have to teach what actually works, not what sounds good or works at NL5k after studying GTO solvers for 3 years.
This is the hardest part that SO MANY tried and failed at.

Selling videos is not wrong. But it's super easy especially if your bottom line doesn't depend on how much students ACTUALLY make with your content. Our bottom line depends on that otherwise we could fire all coaches (the most expensive part, coaches charge waaaay to much lol) and sell videos only.

So again, i'm asking you.
We give people video content (like any other site), but we coach them FOR FREE (until they win) on top.

Employing a very expensive coaching team...well, you probably think we just pay the coaches for fun because we're a charity .

If we wanted things easy, we would fire all coaches and just sell videos for money like everybody else. That would be easy.

But it would make us a lot less money. And don't fall into this trap...if you complain that we're making too much money...you'd admit that our coaching must be good :=)...since the profits come from PLAYERS WINNING WITH OUR COACHING (!!!).

You're welcome for saving you the embarrassment.

You can't have it both ways.

So if you complain about "marketing", fine, say that you "don't like the tone". Maybe insert a hitler/racist reference out of context just to prove your point

If we triggered you, that's fine. Now move on or keep boosting our views.

Win-win.

Not one great player has been deterred from coming to us (proof: 7+ years here). They keep telling us how they like it (weird, but true) when we deal with losers like yourself.

Look, unless you show the real numbers, I am going to assume you have something to hide, period!

The fact you are being so deceptive, is ringing alarm bells, I'm surprised nobody else is asking to see your numbers, we want to see your conversion rates of losing players that you turn into winning players. I thought you were all about transparency?

It should be part of your promotional intro, yet it isn't, why is that???? Is it because the reality is that your numbers aren't really that impressive?

You are the 1 screaming the loudest here, pissing on all other coaches, yet when asked for evidence that you are indeed the best, you refuse??

Everybody watch. One simple question, he can't answer . So beautiful. I will ask again:

Why are you posting here. What is your motivation?

That's why you haters are such LOL robots. So easy to show your true nature. Hate. Jealous...You don't care about education, poker or helping others.

Where is the hitler/racist/blacksupremacist/trump reference? Bug? Sloppy code?
Instead your programmer got REALLY creative.

"Show me all your bank statements and other proprietary secret business information + player privacy" otherwise i will say that you are not transparent (by your own funny definition).
You didn't use those words exactly, but if i told you x signed up, made y$ money on avg, playing z hours blabla... there is no way to verify this unless all transactions are shown. So i'm sure that's the next question, so i did us all the favor to skip there.

For this reason we told students to create DAILY blog updates bc we knew 7 years ago that dummies like you would try to discredit THEIR hard work. Especially bc we knew how good we could be and that nobody would believe the "make 100k in 9 months starting with $50"... I admit it sounds a lot like an informercial and that's the exact reason we did all in public to remove any doubt.
This in addition to publicly available data plus quality people working with/for us for a long time is all an intelligent person needs to know.

The evidence is right here in front of you. The fact that we exist and employ a super expensive coaching team is all a mildly intelligent person needs to know. Still waiting for your comment on this.

Nobody has anywhere close the numbers. Many students documented DAILY (!!!) their progress from NL2 to mid/high stakes.

Show me anything comparable and show me how you "go after" everybody else .

Anyways, we both know that you're a joke, that your posts are poison, troll and hate.

But if you want to entertain us further, please go on. If you feel like it, answer a very simple question.

1) What is your motivation for posting
2) What gives you expertise in the area of poker and/or coaching

I'll answer your fake question again (in short):
Lots of evidence (blogs, publicly available numbers, expensive coaching team, paid only by profits of players, here for 7 years like nobody else).
Transparency does not mean to give proprietary business data to please the mob. Coca-Cola wont give their recipe to prove it does not cause cancer. They can still be a transparenct company (not sure if they are lol, but yeah, not everything in life is binary)

And please, respect the silent readers of this thread a bit more. On a poker forum the line "if you have nothing to hide, you can do xxx" doesn't work. Damn it's a poker forum!!! Not the NSA headquarters.
This George Bush line is out of fashion. Your programmers should send you a patch!

Again, maybe the nazi/hitler/racist/black supremacist/trump has better chance. But i invite those because anybody dumb enough to fall for it, has no chance of making it at poker and will waste our money and time.
WIN-WIN.

Look guys I will answer his 1 simple question but watch closely how he will avoid my 1 simple question, look how he has avoided it several times already! I will show you who the real fraud is here!

Your question answered right now:

What is my motivation to posting: My motivation is to gather evidence, I want see if your claims are true, I want to know if indeed you are the big dog of coaching, like you say you are!

I want real data from you, so I can make my own mind up and NOT follow you like a brainless sheep, (Like you expect everybody to do!!!!

So I have answered your question! Now you answer mine! Pay close attention, if you do not then we can conclude who the real deal is and who the fake really is!

**********MY QUESTION**********

Show your numbers so we can all see just how many winners you make from the total population of signups! Show me total amount of signups, so I can see the ratio of winners you make! I know you have made 49 people complete but how many have signed up so far?

After this, I want to know how many of those 49, came to you as winning players already and how many were losers but you turned into winners.

Again 1 last time: I don't care about your "evidence", the so called evidence you are trying to push on these sheep in here, does not cut it for me. You might think it's real evidence, to show blogs and videos of people completing the program but thats not what I am after.

Again I want the ratio of total players you have signed up - the total amount that have completed the program.

Everything else you provide is just noise to me, your problem is you think everybody is a sheep, that's why you keep up this dumb charade and avoid my question, then you go on some rant about Nazi, hitler etc, I don't even know wtf you are talking about.

Now it all makes sense. You're a prosecutor or detective trying to get evidence...you're in it for the truth! How noble. Humor us more, it's part of the fight against...?

It's not like we would let somebody like you become a client anyways. Your attitude is that of a loser. A rational interested and skeptical person is always welcome...as 7 years of history prove.

Your problem is that you can't read. All your "questions" have already been answered in my last post (!). You may not like the answer, but it's there...

About how many start as losing players?

We love answering those questions. Again, 2 brain cells will help you, the same 2 braincells that should tell you that when a company like BPC makes profits only when their players win... they probably know what they are doing . Anyways, it's called common sense, but you don't have any of that...

If you are a big winner, would you join BPC and give 50% of your profits away?... You probably should anyways, but truth is, you probably wont...unless you are very very smart (we only had one person like that, and he skyrocketed...).

If you were seriously interested, you'd know the answer. It's in their stories, daily blogs, publicly available... I only know of ONE big winner who joined (Atvars). He was 7bb on NL100 and losing on NL200 (over big samples). We turned him into beating NL200 for more than 7bb (iirc) and he made 50k month on his own shortly afterward blabla. He even credits the initial 7bb on NL 100 to BPC/Gordon (he bought courses), but whatever...
You can even read the emails, Gordon initially declined coaching him, he paid several grand as security deposit just to prove how serious he is..., toughest conditions... he called it the best investment of his life. You can watch his talk and maybe learn something...
Is that the "sheep" you are talking about?

Listening to somebody who is better than you at something makes you SMART. You, white gatsby, have too big of an ego (evidence in you wasting your life inventing garbage in this thread). And if that "somebody" (BPC/Gordon) does this whole thing for risk-"free", you can be damn sure that your stupid poor-person-1diot opinion is of no interest.

You're like a little autist crying "BUT I WANT TO HAVE THIS...". We're the owners and you wouldn't even be worthwhile as toilet paper in our team. You can have your minutes of fame in this thread and i hope it provides some excitement in what must be a really pathetic life.

You also avoided the other part why you believe we do coaching for profit and why we employ a super expensive coaching team and at the same time are the worst at poker lol. . Comedy. You can't possibly believe anything you're writing.

Btw, to trigger you even more... do you know who is NOT included in those 49 case studies/finishers etc?

* Somebody with 58kish profit who seems to take a different path in life. lol, no joke. You will never read about him in the finisher section... and other people who have 30kish profits and then take a different path in life. Did they fail? Well, depends what the goal was. Certainly made money, but yeah, feel free to spin this any way you want.

* Micro losing guys and hobby players who start to make small incomes such as $300/month on their hobby instead of losing money. Success? Well, to some yes, others not.

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The worst case that could possibly happen is to get a bunch of free coaching with people who only make money when YOU win. Terrible. What a scam! You got it detective! When is our court date?

And yes, when we use Mens language and tell you that you can't turn $50 into 100k in 9 months spending 160hrs/month... if that offends you, then we did our job.

We've never seen any crybabies get anywhere, so when people like you complain, we know our filters work.


Ok, now continue the programmed loop BUT I WANT TO KNOW SIGNUPS !!!!. We've seen worse, you even failed at being the worst hater.

You don't adhere to your own logic? What happened to "look guys, he can't answer"...

So when are you going to answer the 1 simple question?

Show us the ratio, how many signups vs how many finished!

You are getting very mad, I can see with all the name calling etc, you love to rant, you love to blame me, you love to create a false narrative that I am the bad guy, I am the loser! It's ok...No problem

The fact still remains that I answered your question but you did not answer mine. It must be because you are full of **** and indeed the signups must be a number that will hurt you, otherwise you would of been bragging about it, it would be front news in your OP!

So it's free then? No 500Eur signup that you lose?

So this is a complete lie, taken from your OP, first sentence : BPC POKER COMMUNITY: ON A MISSION TO END 9-TO-5 SLAVERY....It should say on a mission to end 9-5 slavery and in return we create slavery 5-5!

We can go into how these coaches get paid, if you want! How do they get paid, exactly? Do you pay them out of pocket, before any students are profitable? Or have you struck a deal with a bunch of coaches ( that you **** on btw, unless of course they work for you, then they are different coaches) that only get paid if their students are profitable?

And I mean why wouldn't they take that deal, it's not like players are knocking down their door to get private coaching anyways! That's probably the deal you made with them, they only get paid if their students make profit!

Hi

I've not read the full thread, so I've missed most of the arguments.

I do have a question tho.

Does the micro 6 Max cfp follow the no bs 6 max pdf? Or is the cfp program totally different?

What's a reasonable time to complete the micro cfp for someone who has about 15-30 hours a week for poker?

Hi Billybob,

Yes, it follows and advances on the nobs 6max pdf. Of course, you should not view this dogmatic, but as a starting point on which to build and learn to understand the game deeper.

What is a reasonable time?
As you know this is tricky because we don't make promises we can't keep. For this reason we have case studies, https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/st...ccess-stories/ so you can see from the micro finishers who might be most similar to you and your situation.
To give you the full picture, the "success" stories you don't read here are the normal people making some extra money for 2 years and then some lose interest in poker and "quit" having won 4k.
The "non-success" stories are people who watch all the content but don't apply and ask questions in coaching. They don't put in hours playing.
In short, we give the support and everything you need. If you do and follow, you know it works, since those finishers are not all Einsteins. What you make out of it is your choice.

Having that said, a rough (!) guesstimate would be one year, but you could do a lot faster as well since 30hours per week is not full-time, but decent volume. Oh yeah, and you wont make 100k in a year with those hours , this upsets people for some reason, but that's life.

What many people tell us that they like is that you are not locked in into anything. The terms are clear, you can see all numbers upfront (in case you get a baby, job promotion etc).

About the "argument". There really isn't any. You know how a few haters make a lot of noise. That's the internet and we have to deal with it. From a business point of view it's good for us.

If you are bored, there are 7 years of content for you to read. You will see the insults and smears haven't changed, just the names of those posting. Often these are the same people with new/multiple accounts. Other coaches who lost their business to us (who are also gone now). The usual suspects.

The value proposition we offer is clear and people like you who have honest and clear questions get their answer and can choose for themselves.

Best wishes!

Yes, the security deposit is lost. And since you know it, everybody knows it upfront as well.

I don't like this point of view i will describe now, but people who pay the security deposit get content worth thousands (!) of Euro. Our production to output time (time to create video) is a lot higher than anything you can buy online. When you buy many other courses, it's 2 hours and not comprehensive. Our bootcamp covers everything, because we want students to learn everything...because we make only money if they win.

I know some people joined and "lost" the security deposit on purpose just to get the content. I don't approve of this, but we don't wanna make life difficult for others because of it. We are thinking of changing some aspects btw.

We could easily sell a part of videos even for 500 Euro without any (free) coaching on top. That's what everybody else does. Probably we should do that anyways.
Remember, coaching is the MOST EXPENSIVE part.
And only making money if students win, that's even more difficult (or why else did so many fail...or others don't even offer).

Another way, when you buy a subscription/videos on poker training site 123...and then you don't make money after x months. Can you get your money back ? And do you get free coaching on top?

You have an extremely sharp intellect. (facepalm)(facepalm)(facepalm)(facepalm)(facepalm) (facepalm)

"Slaves making lots of money for themselves with contracts and freedom" should be the new slogan? Do words have any meaning at all? Sign me up for slavery.

However, the hard working part is very important to us. We don't sell feel-good ****. Go to any "mind coach" and they happily tell you that 3 hours of work per day is enough and you should spend a lot of time meditating. I've never seen anybody get rich that way and the problem for us is that we only get paid if students win. This means we can't sell the snake oil that you see everywhere else...this meditating is what people do AFTER with lots of money and no idea what to do with it .


We can get philosophical...

In Colombia they have a racy slogan "trabajar como un negro para vivir como un blanco". I won't translate it, but in English it means to work your a$$ off for some time to enjoy freedom forever. To all autists like gatsby, don't take it literally. You don't have to do any a$$ work.

Many people who "retire" early realize that they actually don't like it. What they really like is the freedom to choose. If you love what you're doing, it's not work.

We can get more cheezy.

The 9-5 slavery is a symbol for doing meaningless work that you don't enjoy in order to buy things you don't need to impress people you don't like.

The people joining the CFP elite are very ambitious and competitive people. Some like the material pleasures, others not.

Once they have graduated though, they actually can work very little hours and make enough money. Some choose to take the "i made it now i am lazy" path. Others keep pushing for more. BPC helped them to get the choice.

Your choice is to post venom on a forum. And you know it. Let that sink in.

Hey guys,

This week I want to present you one finisher in the NLHU Soldier program, Scott also known as Fred in our forums:



This is his graph while he was in the program:



You can read an article about him here

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Hey,

Maestro is a finisher in the 60k NLHU Soldier program and nowadays he is one of our HU coaches. You can watch an interview with him below:



Take a look at one of his graphs while he was in the program:



Read a case study about him here

Hey guys,

Nubson is a finisher in the 60k NLHU Soldier program. It took him one year and 2 months to finish and in the last day, he won €4k after a 15 hours session. You can watch an interview with him below:



Here is one of his graphs:



And you can read a case study about him here

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