i don't get the difference between av ROI and total ROI...
i mean every ROI is a total ROI by definition
WTF?

Mmm

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Yes, hello guys. I had a quick few questions regarding selling markup in tournaments. I've had numerous big tournament scores and deep runs. However, I've never charged markup before, until now. I just had a few questions.

What is a standard markup for a good or solid tournament player? 1.3%? And how does this work? Say your total package is $18K. Somebody wants to buy 10% of the package. That would be $1,800 without any markup added. So, if the markup was at 1.3%, then how much would it be total with markup added?

Any other helpful information would be great. Thanks a lot! And GL!

2340. Also it is not 1.3% markup, it is a markup of 1.3 (30%).

Thank you very much! Is 1.3 standard? What do most good tournament players markup at? Thanks.

If you look at the marketplace here, there are many threads with players selling tournament packages at markup both live and online.

1.3 is a bit steep imo

I'm likely that last one on the planet not to understand markup, but maybe answering a rookie question would help me out as I'm used to the old way of people advertising a 50/50 split or 60/40 if they were really good.

If someone sells 100% of their action at zero markup and they cash for $500 do they get anything or does all the money go to the backers?

I remember years gone by where you would sell 100% of a package and split the profit with backers, which is why I'm confused about markup.

No one is selling 100% of their action

"If someone sells 100% of their action at zero markup and they cash for $500 do they get anything or does all the money go to the backers?"

They would not get anything, although why anyone would sell 100% of their action at zero markup is beyond me, because the whole exercise would be a waste of time for them.

In case of a 100% stake, a fair split between backer and investor would be an 80/20 split of any profits. This is for a one off, short term deal, whereas with a long term staking contract you would be looking at a 50/50 split of profits with makeup.

Markup is pretty simple. You get X% of action, but you pay Y, where Y = X * markup.

So, if I have a markup of 1.1 (10% markup), and sell $100 of action in a $1000 tournament, you would pay $110 for 10% of my action.

Or, if I have a markup of 1.2 (20% markup), and sell you $100 of action in a $1000 tournament, you would pay $120 for 10% of my action.

In both cases you would get a straight 10% of whatever I cashed. So if I bust, you get nothing. If I cash for $10,000, you get $1,000. If I cash for $500 you get only $50, losing $50 on the deal.


Selling action can be mutually beneficial for both the player and the backer. The backer will benefit if the player's true ROI is greater than the markup charged. The player will benefit because they achieve guaranteed ROI, albeit at a reduced rate, a reduction in variance, and the ability to play more and bigger events.

I understand that, it was for the sake of me better understanding the process.

I think I understand how the process works, I'm just trying to compare it to what I remember from staking years ago, pre Black Friday.

In those days someone would sell 100% of the "action" because they sold it at face value (no markup) but 50/50 split of profits after the original stake was returned.

Trying to post a thread here, but TwoPlusTwo won't let me. Is there something I need to do first to be able to start a thread here?

Disregard this, I somehow missed the (obvious) sticky

Hey Looking to sell 50% of action on a WPT $1,050 ticket i won in a freeroll on Partypoker.

Would not like to risk full $1,050

Not looking for markup

Just looking to get half my action locked up.

Let me know if you need more info.

Thanks

Hello. I am Nani a full time poker player since January 2021.

I am a low stakes player, I take the job very seriously and I want to find someone that is interested in buying action in some more expensive or big fields tournaments so I can be more relaxed about my Bankroll management. I am looking for people to do business in the long run, serious people.

I have 47k in profit and 16k+ MTTs played since Jan 2021, so I have the profit and I put in the work.

I already sell some action on WPN and GGpoker through the client, but want to sell on another sites as well and have more options.

Would love more advice, has I heard few high stakes pros saying already, I try to create a good environment for investors, in clarity and in good markups. I try to predict the ROI doing some studies on my stats and also on groups filled with regulars on Sharkscope. I try to aim to have a mark up that is 50% of the ROI I expect for that tournament so investors can be sure they are winning in the long run. Random Example: I expect ROI 20% for a 10$ MTT, I will sell some % at 1.1 Mark up.

Feel free to hit me up on discord if you are interested, as it is my primary source of communication and would be easier. Cheers.
Discord: Nani#2604

Feel free to move this if there is a better place to post this question.

If I wanted someone to take 33% of my action and I am a 10bb/hr winner is there a calculation to determine what percentage of my winnings the backer should get? (or what the breakeven point is)

Hey guys! I am selling quite some action lately and I am getting more into it. I have seen and read multiple opinions on what is a fair markup to charge for poker tournaments. I am aware some people take different approaches and I would like to know what the community thinks.

Approaches that I have seen:

-Selling at half the "real markup", meaning, if 30% ROI is expected, player sells at 1.15 MU

-Selling at the "real markup", meaning, if 30% ROI is expected, player sells at 1.30 MU

-Selling higher than the "real markup", meaning for example, if the player is break even he still sells at 1.2 MU



I am taking the half the "real markup" approach as I have seen a few poker pros recommend it for whoever is in this for the long run as of course doesn't seem fair to leave the investors break even or even loosing over a large sample.

Just trying to collect some thoughts, thank you for reading you all!