nice image post to snap off non-players/rollers.

you shouldnt have a problem if you invest in reputable people.


its always good to keep tabs on all the people you invest in/how that package went.

well its not like i dont keep track at all.
i have a spreadsheet where i write down the %, the total $, poker SN and 2p2 name.

i just think it would be a hussle to look up everybodys results.

In all my package buys, the only issue has ever been with people making arithmetic errors.

I would keep track, or at least check everything at least once a week.

People make mistakes, i do, they do. Most of the time it's just aritmetic mistakes that are solved with a fast, simple PM. But you have to check.

Oh and i second the previous request for a need of a thread where to discuss what a proper MU is for x event for y person. I know i always have the problem of deciding mine and i have it again for incoming wcoop ME.

if you dont feel the markup is fair, you can say something without them having to bump it

I read the first 20+ and last 5 or so pages so excuse me if this has been done already.

Is there a template for offering stakes yet?

If not I'll have a go at one and post it up for feedback/improvement. I need to do a couple of posts offering stakes so I might as well do it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...15/index2.html

would appreciate opinions.

In my opinion the player should pay out the entire $ value won in the satellite ($15,780 ) to investors who ask for it.

First, I think that's fair for investors and is simply the right thing to do.

Second, I think that is in the best interest of the player as well. The benefit to the player from keeping his reputation without an issue far outweighs any $ in question here.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents...

As a rule, equity should be carried over. And the ~5k should be divided between investors. However that thread is a giant cluster**** already and OP seems determined not to pay out so gl to everyone involved

If OP doesn't stick to what he originally said about offering cash for those who want it then he should lose market place privs. What he's trying to do is just completely ridiculous and he shouldn't be allowed to continue here if those are his practices.

Wow, I strongly disagree with the last three posters. The player clearly did not intend to have to cover travel, etc. himself. Now he's won a package and you want him to put ~ 70% of $5k of his own money towards travel and hotel just so he can play in a package for his investors? Not to mention that he doesn't even *have* that money right now. He would have been better off not winning at all!

The investors who are saying that they didn't understand (and indeed, there was poor communication!) are complaining correctly that they paid far too much markup if this was the way the package was intended. That's true. And I think the player owes them something for this misunderstanding. Mathematically, that should be more than the markup they paid (for this portion) because nobody would have noticed if he hadn't won.

Sadly, I don't have a very good solution to offer. I'm too lazy to run the numbers right now, but how close do we get if the player

a) refunds markup paid on the satellite
b) sells the action on the PCA event as another package, with markup
c) pays out based on the proceeds of b) and the *cash* portion of the package he won. (I think that was $1k and change.)

That's basically restructuring the package so that he receives the travel+hotel costs as compensation for playing, instead of getting markup.

The player won ~$15k in the satellite, investors should have the right to get $ for that, period.

There was a misunderstanding, I believe it's in the benefit of the player to bite the bullet (and I doubt this is going to be of any significant cost to the player, as the tournament entry can be sold at a markup - and the travel does have $ value for the player) - and just fully take the side of the investors.
The longer this is delayed the more "rep" damage the player is creating for himself, and this by far outweighs the $ in question here.

I posted in the thread, and I was option a) way too harsh or option b) saying it sadly how it is.

thanks for your support. investors are clearly in the right here (imo) and op is acting like a scumbag.

he intends to have nice bahamas vacation and scam us for 5k. wp

I don't think the investors are in the right at all. OP might be a scumbag (really not even sure on this, looks like a hustle but he might just be an idiot), but he put an offer out there, clarified in detail what he meant by the offer, and the investors accepted the offer. I understand there was a disconnect between what he offered and what most investors thought they were getting, but I don't think it's particularly close.

It's the investors that want cash after he said he'd pay cash value that are really getting hosed. I do agree that he shouldn't be expected to cover Star's over the top travel expenses and the real value of the package is closer to $12,000.

Besides that, I didn't buy the package so how it gets resolved isn't much my concern. One of the biggest issues is people snap buying packages from players they don't know with policies that aren't really that clear.

hi, again i see somebody selling 90% of their action at 1.20
thus getting paid to play the events and freerolling the last 10%.

am i alone for thinking this is shady for people who advertise themselves as big winners ? nobody in their right mind would sell that much if they are big winners.

correct. im most worried why OP doesnt invest some of his own money if they are as good as they claim

Definitely, unless they are lying about their ROI or have ulterior motives, it doesnt make sens from an EV standpoint for them, thus is definitely worrisome

Whatever happened to the post at the top of the marketplace page in which everyone pretty much suggested to divide the marketplace into live/online? Is this going to happen?

Is there a mechanism in place for arbitration on here by the moderators or someone else in case of dispute. I'm involved in this ridiculous terrellk situation and I feel like people have gotten so angry that there's no hope for compromise. I'm new to 2p2 but was hoping that there might be something in place. Thanks so much for your help, uncforte.

If this is the wrong place to post this I apologize and mods please delete. Thx.

in case anybody missed that thread: its here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...15/index3.html

i would also agree to a panel of 3 mods as judges

The reason I got so riled up in that thread (admittedly mobills pushed some buttons that got me a little heated) is because I feel like going away from what is explicitly offered and accepted is setting a horrible precedent in this MP. The offer was clarified at least once in that thread, and investors accepted the terms as is. No doubt there was a miscommunication in what the investors thought they were getting (and they probably wouldn't have bought the action if they knew exactly what was being offered), but it seems clear to me that the OP explicitly did not include the travel expenses in the package.

The fact that the standard is travel expenses should be included in the value of the package is irrelevant seeing how OP explicitly stated in a hypothetical that travel expenses weren't paid out of his pocket.

Investors feeling blindsided by this is kind of silly in my opinion. I think that if there was only one single investor in that thread the opinion of the thread would be that OP didn't owe anything for travel expenses. Kind of shocked OP is still attempting to settle something after all the out of line attacks on his character by a few investors.

If I were an investor I would absolutely not be pushing for arbitration from an outside party and would hope to settle for anything greater than the price of the piece on simply the tournament action. If the directions of any arbitrator are to read the terms of the package sold and the expectations of when a seat was won, the investors would be drawing dead on getting a piece of the travel expenses in my opinion.

If that's what an outside arbitrator decided I would abide by it. I'm probably in the minority but I'm not trying to get every last nickel I can. I just want what's fair. And if I'm wrong I'm willing to just take the piece owed me. I'm sorry your character was attacked in the thread it seems like this whole situation just spiraled quickly out of control. I'm just looking to wrap it up in as fair and amicable way as possible (again I may be in the minority here).