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Old 07-20-2018, 02:37 PM   #1476
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i don't get the difference between av ROI and total ROI...
i mean every ROI is a total ROI by definition
WTF?
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:37 PM   #1477
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Old 04-26-2019, 07:51 PM   #1478
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Yes, hello guys. I had a quick few questions regarding selling markup in tournaments. I've had numerous big tournament scores and deep runs. However, I've never charged markup before, until now. I just had a few questions.

What is a standard markup for a good or solid tournament player? 1.3%? And how does this work? Say your total package is $18K. Somebody wants to buy 10% of the package. That would be $1,800 without any markup added. So, if the markup was at 1.3%, then how much would it be total with markup added?

Any other helpful information would be great. Thanks a lot! And GL!
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Old 04-27-2019, 12:08 AM   #1479
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2340. Also it is not 1.3% markup, it is a markup of 1.3 (30%).
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:14 AM   #1480
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2340. Also it is not 1.3% markup, it is a markup of 1.3 (30%).
Thank you very much! Is 1.3 standard? What do most good tournament players markup at? Thanks.
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Old 04-27-2019, 01:51 PM   #1481
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Thank you very much! Is 1.3 standard? What do most good tournament players markup at? Thanks.


If you look at the marketplace here, there are many threads with players selling tournament packages at markup both live and online.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:32 PM   #1482
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Thank you very much! Is 1.3 standard? What do most good tournament players markup at? Thanks.
1.3 is a bit steep imo
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Old 06-01-2019, 03:45 PM   #1483
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I'm likely that last one on the planet not to understand markup, but maybe answering a rookie question would help me out as I'm used to the old way of people advertising a 50/50 split or 60/40 if they were really good.

If someone sells 100% of their action at zero markup and they cash for $500 do they get anything or does all the money go to the backers?

I remember years gone by where you would sell 100% of a package and split the profit with backers, which is why I'm confused about markup.
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:13 PM   #1484
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I'm likely that last one on the planet not to understand markup, but maybe answering a rookie question would help me out as I'm used to the old way of people advertising a 50/50 split or 60/40 if they were really good.

If someone sells 100% of their action at zero markup and they cash for $500 do they get anything or does all the money go to the backers?

I remember years gone by where you would sell 100% of a package and split the profit with backers, which is why I'm confused about markup.


No one is selling 100% of their action
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:29 PM   #1485
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"If someone sells 100% of their action at zero markup and they cash for $500 do they get anything or does all the money go to the backers?"

They would not get anything, although why anyone would sell 100% of their action at zero markup is beyond me, because the whole exercise would be a waste of time for them.

In case of a 100% stake, a fair split between backer and investor would be an 80/20 split of any profits. This is for a one off, short term deal, whereas with a long term staking contract you would be looking at a 50/50 split of profits with makeup.
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:37 PM   #1486
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I'm likely that last one on the planet not to understand markup,
Markup is pretty simple. You get X% of action, but you pay Y, where Y = X * markup.

So, if I have a markup of 1.1 (10% markup), and sell $100 of action in a $1000 tournament, you would pay $110 for 10% of my action.

Or, if I have a markup of 1.2 (20% markup), and sell you $100 of action in a $1000 tournament, you would pay $120 for 10% of my action.

In both cases you would get a straight 10% of whatever I cashed. So if I bust, you get nothing. If I cash for $10,000, you get $1,000. If I cash for $500 you get only $50, losing $50 on the deal.


Selling action can be mutually beneficial for both the player and the backer. The backer will benefit if the player's true ROI is greater than the markup charged. The player will benefit because they achieve guaranteed ROI, albeit at a reduced rate, a reduction in variance, and the ability to play more and bigger events.
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:46 PM   #1487
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They would not get anything, although why anyone would sell 100% of their action at zero markup is beyond me, because the whole exercise would be a waste of time for them.
I understand that, it was for the sake of me better understanding the process.

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Markup is pretty simple. You get X% of action, but you pay Y, where Y = X * markup.

So, if I have a markup of 1.1 (10% markup), and sell $100 of action in a $1000 tournament, you would pay $110 for 10% of my action.

Or, if I have a markup of 1.2 (20% markup), and sell you $100 of action in a $1000 tournament, you would pay $120 for 10% of my action.

In both cases you would get a straight 10% of whatever I cashed. So if I bust, you get nothing. If I cash for $10,000, you get $1,000. If I cash for $500 you get only $50, losing $50 on the deal.


Selling action can be mutually beneficial for both the player and the backer. The backer will benefit if the player's true ROI is greater than the markup charged. The player will benefit because they achieve guaranteed ROI, albeit at a reduced rate, a reduction in variance, and the ability to play more and bigger events.
I think I understand how the process works, I'm just trying to compare it to what I remember from staking years ago, pre Black Friday.

In those days someone would sell 100% of the "action" because they sold it at face value (no markup) but 50/50 split of profits after the original stake was returned.
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:51 PM   #1488
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Trying to post a thread here, but TwoPlusTwo won't let me. Is there something I need to do first to be able to start a thread here?
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Old 06-23-2019, 12:27 PM   #1489
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Trying to post a thread here, but TwoPlusTwo won't let me. Is there something I need to do first to be able to start a thread here?
Disregard this, I somehow missed the (obvious) sticky
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