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Old 11-28-2013, 04:06 PM   #1326
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Re: ***Official Staking Discussion Thread: Use this thread for Selling Shares advice/questions*

I think it would make sense to split nlhe and non-nlhe in two forums.
I mean, simply because the field-sizes are usually so huge in nlhe (several K players), and low to okay in omaha and other variants (just a few hundred players, most of the time)
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:21 AM   #1327
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Any chance we can stop horses from using significant scores from 3 years back to justify a high MU?
would it be better to use scores in a bracket of last 12 months or last 2k games then?

some people may have sick scores 3 years ago, low volume all the way and have 2k games total

while some people pump out 5k games per yer and don't get one of these scores?

gotta find a happy medium between time + total games in set period
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Old 12-22-2013, 09:59 PM   #1328
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Not sure where to post this:

I bought a 25% of my friend in a 320$ online tourney. It's on a small network and the prize pool was shown wrong in the client. The staff said players would be paid rightly at the end of the tourney. Basically it was a 40k gtd and it announced 40k to first like 1.5k second 1k third etc ...

My friend ended up winning and at the ft the host/tourney director was announcing the right prizes as ppl were busting. He got 13k for winning and a day later they sent him an extra 27k (40k total). He called support and they said he could keep the money for the trouble they caused.

I was wondering what you guys would do in this situation. Should I get 25% of the full 40k or only 25% of the 13k ?

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Old 12-23-2013, 02:00 AM   #1329
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I would say yes as long as he gets to keep it etc. what site

Edit: to clarify, I think you should get 25% of w.e he received for winning the tourney.
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Old 12-23-2013, 02:55 AM   #1330
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:04 PM   #1331
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I would say 25% of the 40k.

Due to fact that it was not won from outside sponsorship or another offer, despite it being high overlay on actual first, it still is what was paid for 1st in the tournament.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:28 PM   #1332
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What is the general consensus about charging the buyers a cash out fee if they dont accept funds on for example party poker, if they buy a % of a mtt on that site, but transfer on Stars or wherever? Party has a 3% cash out fee, is that for the seller to swallow in case of a big cash? Or just always let them know in the OP how you will handle that?
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Old 01-09-2014, 01:36 PM   #1333
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What is the general consensus about charging the buyers a cash out fee if they dont accept funds on for example party poker, if they buy a % of a mtt on that site, but transfer on Stars or wherever? Party has a 3% cash out fee, is that for the seller to swallow in case of a big cash? Or just always let them know in the OP how you will handle that?
State in the OP what ur gonna do imo. So it's clear from the beginning.
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:41 PM   #1334
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What site do you guys use to determine your horses roi? Opr and sharkscope both have different results so I am wondering which is more accurate?
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:29 AM   #1335
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Have your horse do an audit and get exact results. Or you know have your horse track his own results.
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:23 PM   #1336
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how to get marketplace approval for selling shares online ?
never been 2p2 reg so I never asked for it.
thanks

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Old 01-23-2014, 12:35 PM   #1337
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Old 01-26-2014, 09:11 AM   #1338
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What's the usual policy of dividing winnings when a horse exhausts the amount of rebuys paid for by the backers but survives to the addon break and decides to take an addon on his own money? Is it OK to entitle backers only to the share of winnings corresponding to the share chips that originated from their money? E.g. the horse was paid money for the BI and 2 rebuys worth, bought 9K (= 3 x 3K if there are 3K starting chips and the rebuy also gives 3K) chips by them, ran them up to 10K up to the addon break, and bought 5K chips for the same amount of money as the rebuy, ending up with 15K total, is it OK that the horse keeps 5/15 of the winnings to himself and pays out to investors basing on 10/15 of the winnings?

(I mean, it's of course up to a preliminary agreement, I was just wondering how to compose it so that all the sides agree.)
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:43 PM   #1339
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Thus a player of the same ability from the US is a worst investment but maybe not the 30% they thought...prolly close to 22-25%.
Can't just say this without a lot of qualifiers. Probably more than 75% of 2p2 can buy action from an American without additional tax liability.

A UK resident buying action from an American playing in the states pays no taxes on winnings.

An American buying action pays taxes on the winnings regardless of where the player is from.

Live is just more complicated than playing online.
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Old 01-28-2014, 04:04 PM   #1340
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What's the usual policy of dividing winnings when a horse exhausts the amount of rebuys paid for by the backers but survives to the addon break and decides to take an addon on his own money? Is it OK to entitle backers only to the share of winnings corresponding to the share chips that originated from their money? E.g. the horse was paid money for the BI and 2 rebuys worth, bought 9K (= 3 x 3K if there are 3K starting chips and the rebuy also gives 3K) chips by them, ran them up to 10K up to the addon break, and bought 5K chips for the same amount of money as the rebuy, ending up with 15K total, is it OK that the horse keeps 5/15 of the winnings to himself and pays out to investors basing on 10/15 of the winnings?

(I mean, it's of course up to a preliminary agreement, I was just wondering how to compose it so that all the sides agree.)
That's pretty silly imo. A 50% increase in stack size does not equal a 50% increase in $ equity.

If player sold for 3 buyins and added a 4 bullet out of pocket, then my guess is that 25% belongs to him (the bullet he bought on his own dime), and the other 75% is divided between himself and the investors depending on what he sold off.
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:45 PM   #1341
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To add to it in rebuy tournaments your equity goes down the further into the tournament you are. Your rebuy equity value is not the same rebuying in level 1 as it is in 2 and so forth.
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Old 02-02-2014, 04:15 AM   #1342
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Come on, it's not an SnG, the ICM tax is relatively small way before the money... or is it big? Or do you mean that, with a bigger stack, the player is covered by regs more often than recs and thus more exposed to reg-on-reg violence?

But otoh, you've reassured me that my policy of including only a few rebuys into the price tag (and not rebuying any further) is correct.

Actually, I don't understand the 2+2 tradition of rebuying always before the start of a R+A MTT - it should depend on the quality of the table, which normally has to be assessed for a few hands before taking a bullet imo - but what I see in the MP is that people include a lot of rebuys into the price (and then usually refund a lot).

One more Q: why should action in an online satellite to a live event be sold in this subforum and not the live share-selling one? I thought that, even though the initial satty is played online, investors won't profit until a money finish in the target live event happens, and the ROI of the package to the investors boils down rather to the live than online skill of the seller. Also, the targeted buyers have to be richer than an average punter of the online subforum. (Plus of course visibility is higher in the live subforum, and action in such satties isn't sold often enough to clutter it.)

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Old 03-03-2014, 02:45 PM   #1343
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I have asked this question before but I didnt recieve any clear answers so I ll just shoot it again, am I allowed to sell shares of my stable on 2+2's marketplace? if yes what are the requirements to do so?
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Old 03-03-2014, 03:14 PM   #1344
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ask bobo but you can't sell other peoples action on 2p2 so that probably falls in this category.
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:49 PM   #1345
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Thinking of staking a friend for $5 hu sngs. Would give him $300 until he either doubled or busted, or until 2 months is up whatever comes first. How big of a cut should he get? Originally was thinking 50/50 but now thinking about it more that seems like a terrible deal for me. He has no history of beating hu sngs, but he is a smart guy and from watching him play I feel he should be able to beat them but not crush them. Maybe 70/30, 80/20? What is the standard in situations like this?
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Old 05-19-2014, 12:45 AM   #1346
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Was wondering in the selling shares of poker tournaments space, what is considered reasonable mark up?

I see some offers at 1.1, and everything in between up to 1.4

As a newbie to the concept, I am trying to get a feel for what someones time/experience is worth vs their expected value in the tournament and how attractive or not it is as an investment...

Seems to me to overcome the entry fee cost and the markup is a big hurdle for the investor. Has to be a lot of bad/losing players if every pro has a 20%+ expected value.

Looking forward to others thoughts on this topic. Thanks.

Apologize to Ceegee if this isn't the place for this, I wasn't able to start a separate thread on this.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:50 PM   #1347
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Is it ok to sell action on any site other than Stars ?? Like 888 etc ??
And if i have a very good profitable profile on 888 will people consider buying my action on Stars ??
Just want to hear your opinion
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:56 AM   #1348
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Was wondering in the selling shares of poker tournaments space, what is considered reasonable mark up?

I see some offers at 1.1, and everything in between up to 1.4

As a newbie to the concept, I am trying to get a feel for what someones time/experience is worth vs their expected value in the tournament and how attractive or not it is as an investment...

Seems to me to overcome the entry fee cost and the markup is a big hurdle for the investor. Has to be a lot of bad/losing players if every pro has a 20%+ expected value.

Looking forward to others thoughts on this topic. Thanks.

Apologize to Ceegee if this isn't the place for this, I wasn't able to start a separate thread on this.
Returns are extremely variable based on the tounament and the skill of the player. What is worth buying is just a judgement you need to make. There isnt really a good system to evaluate sales that is know.

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Is it ok to sell action on any site other than Stars ?? Like 888 etc ??
And if i have a very good profitable profile on 888 will people consider buying my action on Stars ??
Just want to hear your opinion
Thanks in advance
Yes people sell action to non stars sites all the time.
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Old 05-21-2014, 01:53 PM   #1349
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I do not know if this is the right place to post this message but I do not know how to directly contact the forum administrators. I just wanted to warn other users of the forum I have big suspicion on a limb: Cambridge Rolex (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/se...rchid=40416065) which is probably a scammer.

I'm not the first to have problems with him after a staking given his history of staking threads. For information I have stacked this guy and I have never been paid since that day.

The best solution would be to ban this guy of the staking section of the forum so that he can not scam other people with that account at least.

(sorry for my english, i use google traduction )
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:34 PM   #1350
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I do not know if this is the right place to post this message but I do not know how to directly contact the forum administrators. I just wanted to warn other users of the forum I have big suspicion on a limb: Cambridge Rolex (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/se...rchid=40416065) which is probably a scammer.

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The best way to reach the moderators is the report function. This icon () is next to every post. You just have to click it and give a short reason.

I suggest you report the last post in this thread and tell them that you never received the refund.

That way it's clear that you sent him money and he promised to send it back. No need to search through your/his posts.

BTW You can't link searches the way you did. The searchid is only valid for your account and only for a short amount of time.
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