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Old 10-26-2012, 10:46 PM   #1151
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Re: ***Official Staking Discussion Thread: Use this thread for Selling Shares advice/questions*

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Few things
1) You didn't filter for scheduled only so players who have played a hefty SNG schedule are going to have poorly skewed ROIs.
Agreed

2) You didn't filter for anything resembling recent results, at the very least you should have done since Black Friday.
I suspect recent results will be worse due the current state of the games but I can't be arsed to look so you might be right.

3) "Fair" markup IMO should be square root of ROI not ROI/2. ROI/2 gives the backer a smaller ROI than the player.
Why? That doesn't seem fair.

4) Often players are selling to tournaments which are softer than the games they normally play but the buyin is bigger. E.g. I'd rather take someone ABI $55 in the million than the big $55.
Often it's the other way round.

5) Agree markups are too high to make good investments in general, some backers like to buy action just for a sweat not because they are making lots of life changing +EV decisions. People also like to play blackjack. There are definitely some diamonds in the rough that come up every now and then and I'd say that live ROIs are still fairly healthy.
Agree with all this.
Here's this years normal speed stats for the two sickos I happened to pick in my post. (They were initially picked because I consider them to be 2 of the best nothing to do with their stats)
Games ROI Stake Profit
2,745 3.4% $166 $16,196 Mement_Mori
2,055 -24.4 $190 -$100,030 Moorman1

The days of people having more than 50%+ ROI in high stakes tournaments on Stars are finished and I think people should be aware of this.

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Old 12-10-2012, 04:07 PM   #1152
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Re: ***Official Staking Discussion Thread: Use this thread for Selling Shares advice/questions*

Some advice please guys

I put up a 1 month package yesterday ( my 1st on here) https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...ction-1276027/ to my suprise and delight some one agreed to buy the whole lot !! A few post about payment metheods then nothing... I then had a pm this morning appologising says he was new to forum and was 24 tableing and didn't have a chance to transfer funds. I see his been on 2 + 2 today and I still have no funds.

I don't want to hassel the guy and piss him off if his genuine but at the same time I want to get on and play (have a few days off) or re list the stake. I did check the guy's opr ect and he looks like his a wininng hs reg

Whats my move

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Old 12-10-2012, 04:42 PM   #1153
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Whats my move
PM him back saying you will give him a deadline (lets say 2days) to get the payment sorted, because you want to start asap. Also tell him if he hasnt paid at the deadline you will re-list the stake.

If he can play/check 2p2 he can send you money as well (imo).

Giving him 2 days to get you your money is more than fair

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Old 12-10-2012, 05:09 PM   #1154
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Some advice please guys

I put up a 1 month package yesterday ( my 1st on here) https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...ction-1276027/ to my suprise and delight some one agreed to buy the whole lot !! A few post about payment metheods then nothing... I then had a pm this morning appologising says he was new to forum and was 24 tableing and didn't have a chance to transfer funds. I see his been on 2 + 2 today and I still have no funds.

I don't want to hassel the guy and piss him off if his genuine but at the same time I want to get on and play (have a few days off) or re list the stake. I did check the guy's opr ect and he looks like his a wininng hs reg

Whats my move

Thanks
i would consider the action not booked and continue selling shares
(with no history and considering he joined 2p2 a few days ago he doesnt get the benefit of the doubt)

first come first served
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:25 AM   #1155
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i would like to sell some sportsbook money how do i go about it
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:35 PM   #1156
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i would like to sell some sportsbook money how do i go about it
What are their cashout options on the site?

On 2+2 your best bet is to have PMs enabled and trade in the Internet Poker transfer thread.
You could only do this if your sportsbook also has poker and allows person to person transfers.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:23 PM   #1157
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i see people with absurd markups in the market place. How come i cant get accepted to sell shares?
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:16 PM   #1158
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i see people with absurd markups in the market place. How come i cant get accepted to sell shares?
You applied with 2 different 2+2 accounts in December.
You have used this one and a third gimmick to troll a well regarded stake-seller.

I might just ban you from the marketplace instead.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:12 PM   #1159
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come on rainbow whats a guy gotta do to get 1 chance
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:25 PM   #1160
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Re: ***Official Staking Discussion Thread: Use this thread for Selling Shares advice/questions*

hey all,

whats a fair mu for tcoop pkg if:
stats for last 500 turbo mtts are

avg buyin $35
avg cash $48
itm 21%

thanks

Voll u know, sir?
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:36 PM   #1161
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usually just go off your roi and make it lower so its fair but ppl in the market place have such ridiculous markups compared to their stats its hard to say whats fair and whats not
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:39 PM   #1162
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thanks, so whats the number?
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:45 PM   #1163
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give me your username and id give u a fair number imo
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:57 PM   #1164
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Re: ***Official Staking Discussion Thread: Use this thread for Selling Shares advice/questions*

goto here

http://playerscope.com/iampot/pokers...=1&tt=8&p=2012

halfway down page click (last 500 games), apply

edit:itm=22.4%

they are all turbos



also less detailed opr

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...4D723.html?t=2



also, ftp

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...D6F36.html?t=2

no playerscope avail for me on ftp some reason, so only opr

thanks!

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Old 01-05-2013, 11:01 PM   #1165
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bro your actually not bad. 1.27 would be super fair especially for tcoop where prizes are bigger
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:02 PM   #1166
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cheers tyvm, i thought 1.3 was a bit high for 1 tourney series..maybe for a bunch of series
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:07 PM   #1167
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you have a 300% roi on fulltilt with a series like tcoop where 20$ can win almost 100k id say for sure 1.27 at the least you could prob get away with higher easily imo
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:00 PM   #1168
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so im making my TCOOP pkg now , any else have any opinions on a fair mark up?

see post above
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:13 AM   #1169
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when sending funds through paypal for staking, do people send it as a personal gift, or as services?
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:29 AM   #1170
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when sending funds through paypal for staking, do people send it as a personal gift, or as services?
Sending as PayPal Gift payment has a higher rate in avoiding any fees associated with the transfer (however some foreign transfers will still have fees)
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:01 PM   #1171
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Re: ***Official Staking Discussion Thread: Use this thread for Selling Shares advice/questions*

Hi, i'm just wondering what chance I have in selling small packages in the next couple of months.

Below is a link to my Sharkscope stats.

http://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-St...rs/BLUFFER9391

I am a winning cash game player currently at 50nl, I was winning at 100nl over 280k hands, but due to some bad BR management decisions had to move back down. If i'm too tired to put in a proper session I will sometimes mess around in some Micro sng's (I thought I should mention this as it must look odd for a cash game player to have micro HU hypers etc in recently played games.)

The packages I would be looking to sell would only be for MTTs $55 and below as these are the games I feel I am +EV in, I would never sell shares to play in the sunday million for example as I don't think this would be fair to investors.

I do not have any references per say, but am in regular contact with many well known and reputable SSFR regs.

I have baught around $50 worth of shares through 5 different sellers in the marketplace recently with no issues.

Thanks in advance, any feedback/advice would be appreciated.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:23 PM   #1172
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As you know from our earlier conversation you can not receive M'place approval until March so your chances of "selling small packages in the next couple of months" on 2+2 are approximately 0.0

You can apply for staking in the meantime or find a site that won't make you wait.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:30 PM   #1173
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Yes, well I am aware of that, hence the "next couple of months" part. However, I am not here too sell a package, just curious as too wether there will be interest when I can.
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:41 PM   #1174
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any one have a decent excel sheet for maintaining records of staking ?

I buy action here on 2p2 becomes a mess on saturdays and sundays .... any help appreciated
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:24 PM   #1175
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^ this would be great.
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