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Old 02-01-2011, 11:40 AM   #801
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Re: ***Official Staking Discussion Thread: Use this thread for Selling Shares advice/questions*

hey just got a quick few questions to shoot buy real quick:

been considering getting staked due to a non-avoidable cash-out of my roll and some swings.

But my biggest concern is the transfer limit, seems in the past, alot of 2+2ers ran into the issue of not being able to send funds back to their backers due to them reaching their 'maximum' transfer amount. I forsure don't wanna get staked if theirs a chance that when I make a +$ outcome, I am unable to send my backers their own shares.

I've maxed out my transfer limit in the past, and when I attempted to increase it, pokerstars said I wasn't aloud. Didn't put much more effort into it after that, but now it seems necessary.


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Old 02-01-2011, 01:38 PM   #802
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-1 investing is about getting the most +ev investments. You could just buy 70% of someone in like $150 tourney and your possible payouts would be simliar to buying 10% of someone in a 1k, except you would actually be making a +ev investment.
investors who do so through a poker forum probably have a penchant for gambling every now and again. that's all i am saying.
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Old 02-01-2011, 09:54 PM   #803
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meh I think those single 1k packages are just a fun chance for investors to gamble for cheap in a good player. even if an investor doesn't want to admit it, if they rationally thought through it they'd probably come to that conclusion. nothing wrong with that in the least, it's fun to invest $120 in someone and have 10% of the biggest mtt of the night.
Seems pretty true. I mostly invest in people that sell 1.25 mu ish, their roi probably isnt much higher than 25% if it is at all. However knowing they are playing tons of big tournaments with huge first place prizes is really exciting.
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:52 PM   #804
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I'm new to the 2+2 staking environment and have a few questions that I think I can ask here (if not, disregard).

I currently sell a months worth of SNG action on PTP with no markup with profit sharing. I haven't seen anything like this in the selling shares forum - is this type of medium length stake not very popular on 2+2? Fwiw I'm very happy on PTP but I think my stats and history on PTP would enable me to sell action here and avoid some of the fees associated with using their site. No reason for me to dump 5% of my profits every month if I don't need to.

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Old 02-02-2011, 04:08 PM   #805
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I'm new to the 2+2 staking environment and have a few questions that I think I can ask here (if not, disregard).

I currently sell a months worth of SNG action on PTP with no markup with profit sharing. I haven't seen anything like this in the selling shares forum - is this type of medium length stake not very popular on 2+2? Fwiw I'm very happy on PTP but I think my stats and history on PTP would enable me to sell action here and avoid some of the fees associated with using their site. No reason for me to dump 5% of my profits every month if I don't need to.

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Action is normally sold over a set tournament number and not a set timeline.
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:19 PM   #806
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Cool - thanks for the response. Do you happen to have links or player names I could search who run relatively high volume SNG action? Just from browsing I'm finding a lot of "$100 bankroll to play 10x$10 SNG's" which doesn't seem like the best line if you're a high volume player (i.e. I'll typically play ~1000 games in a month, but I don't need 1000 buy-ins to do this (optimistically - lol)).
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:03 PM   #807
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I want to play and be partially staked for the upcoming Limit Events at the WSOP. I plan to put up my own money as well. Due to now having a job I need to book vacation ahead of time but I am not sure what events I will be playing. I think I'll let the backer have some strong input.

Question, where should this offer in the staking section or Live Events selling shares section
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:37 PM   #808
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Cool - thanks for the response. Do you happen to have links or player names I could search who run relatively high volume SNG action? Just from browsing I'm finding a lot of "$100 bankroll to play 10x$10 SNG's" which doesn't seem like the best line if you're a high volume player (i.e. I'll typically play ~1000 games in a month, but I don't need 1000 buy-ins to do this (optimistically - lol)).
why not just get 1 backer that would have all your action...?


if you are interested in this, PM me with your ftp/stars name and what you would like to play.
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Old 02-13-2011, 03:15 AM   #809
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Does anyone know an easy way to keep track of KOs? I would like a way that's easy for me and verifiable for my backers. I asked and looked around but can't find anything.
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Old 02-13-2011, 03:22 AM   #810
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99% sure you can find it by clicking "my promotions" in your cashier. and than just poke around a bit and you will find it.
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Old 02-13-2011, 03:25 AM   #811
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Does anyone know an easy way to keep track of KOs? I would like a way that's easy for me and verifiable for my backers. I asked and looked around but can't find anything.
Tournament history on FTP will show them. You can also ask for a spreadsheet showing basically everything. I just got one for the first time, they send it in excel. You have to request that through support, though. Just tell them the date range you want.

Otherwise, like I said, tournament history works. You can get to it from requests or from my promotions. It never works the first time you click it. You have to click it like 5-10 times before it will come up. This will also show rebuys.

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Old 02-13-2011, 03:34 AM   #812
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Thanks guys, much appreciated.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:08 AM   #813
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Is it possible to implement a way of closing a staking thread thats been sold out? its mind numbing going through each post to find out there sold out.

ie: a requirement for the seller to edit the threrads title to "closed" along with the already heading?

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Old 02-13-2011, 12:46 PM   #814
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Is it possible to implement a way of closing a staking thread thats been sold out? its mind numbing going through each post to find out there sold out.

ie: a requirement for the seller to edit the threrads title to "closed" along with the already heading?

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It is actually already supposed to happen. It is detailed in the sticky threads.
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:49 AM   #815
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Is it possible to implement a way of closing a staking thread thats been sold out? its mind numbing going through each post to find out there sold out.

ie: a requirement for the seller to edit the threrads title to "closed" along with the already heading?

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if people want to "close" their threads, they need to just make mods aware they are sold out/whatever


just report the OP in the thread
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:49 PM   #816
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Hmmmm there must be an easier way, seeing as it doesnt happen! Its hard enough waking up in the early hours (Australia) to catch the sellers before they are sold
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:59 PM   #817
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Can someone give me a run down with br management when staking.

Just say i got 10k for example, a seller is playing 10 tourneys and you wanna buy a stake which is x% for $50. will you only invest like $50 (200 buy ins) on a stake or will you invest more since he will be playing 10 tourneys?

i hope i explained this ok. alright cheers.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:39 PM   #818
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Is it possible to implement a way of closing a staking thread thats been sold out? its mind numbing going through each post to find out there sold out.

ie: a requirement for the seller to edit the threrads title to "closed" along with the already heading?

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It is actually already supposed to happen. It is detailed in the sticky threads.
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if people want to "close" their threads, they need to just make mods aware they are sold out/whatever


just report the OP in the thread

I did this for a sold out thread about 6 hrs ago and asked for title to be changed to Sold out but nothing yet. I know mods are very busy this may overload them? Probably dont want to have it closed until package is complete?
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:04 PM   #819
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I did this for a sold out thread about 6 hrs ago and asked for title to be changed to Sold out but nothing yet. I know mods are very busy this may overload them? Probably dont want to have it closed until package is complete?
Well they definitely wont close it close it, but they will put closed in the title. Yea, the process isn't perfect but this is a free site with volunteer mods so it's kinda hard to complain. We just have to think of another alternative, like maybe there's a way thread titles can be edited by the OP.

I'll run it by admin to see if there's anything that can be done on the software side but yea, I 2p2 and it's marketplace and really just glad and hope they continue to keep it open for us. PTP is not a site I'd care to deal with to be honest.

Another thing you can do is skip to the last page/post first. I know in my BAP's anyway I'm good about posting an updated list of % sold and left and when sold out wild bold and highlight that fact. Most other seem pretty good about it too.

You may want to consider PM'ing or asking a horse in his thread to pre reserve you for his next BAP or to PM you before he runs his next as well. This will help if you see a BAP/horse that you like but sells out fast. Most will comply, again, I d. There's probably some that wont make the effort but I think the majority understands the importance and will lend the respect of reserving/pm'ing a potential investor when asked.

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Old 02-15-2011, 06:09 PM   #820
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Well they definitely wont close it close it, but they will put closed in the title. Yea, the process isn't perfect but this is a free site with volunteer mods so it's kinda hard to complain. We just have to think of another alternative, like maybe there's a way thread titles can be edited by the OP.

I'll run it by admin to see if there's anything that can be done on the software side but yea, I 2p2 and it's marketplace and really just glad and hope they continue to keep it open for us. PTP is not a site I'd care to deal with to be honest.

Another thing you can do is skip to the last page/post first. I know in my BAP's anyway I'm good about posting an updated list of % sold and left and when sold out wild bold and highlight that fact. Most other seem pretty good about it too.

You may want to consider PM'ing or asking a horse in his thread to pre reserve you for his next BAP or to PM you before he runs his next as well. This will help if you see a BAP/horse that you like but sells out fast. Most will comply, again, I d. There's probably some that wont make the effort but I think the majority understands the importance and will lend the respect of reserving/pm'ing a potential investor when asked.
Just to make it clear I am by know means complaining Just joining in on the discussion...I love this site TOOMaybe if we could just be able to edit title in OP cause i think editing the post would open up everybody up to some ill intent people changing stuff they shouldn't be able too?

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Old 02-15-2011, 06:23 PM   #821
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Just to make it clear I am by know means complaining Just joining in on the discussion...I love this site TOOMaybe if we could just be able to edit title in OP cause i think editing the post would open up everybody up to some ill intent people changing stuff they shouldn't be able too?
Yea I knew I didn't state that right and it would come off bad, FWIW I wasn't saying anyone was complaining either, was more just saying if we started to complain to MODS etc about threads not being closed in a short amount of time , it's just not really warranted because of the "free" and "volunteer" aspects. We need a software side solution or something.

Anyway I'm probably a 2 1/2-3 out of 10 on the writing skills scale and sorry if that came off as accusatory. We are on the same page, we need to find an alternative to make it work. Reporting threads/PM'ing mods is one way for now but not a perfect solution IMO. What that solution is yet, IDK.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:24 PM   #822
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Im looking to start a staking group. I have set up a thread in staking forum for Single Table STT players and am staking two now plus buying shares of MTTers. There are players that I do not have the Bankroll to stake or MTTers where 1% shares start at $300+. If you are interested in being apart of a group to stake players that are proven at higher stakes that your BR cant handle please PM me and if I get enough we can start this group and make some money

If I get enough interest I will send a PM everyone back with the details of the group and how we can go about things. I’m in the middle of trying to figure out all the finer points of the group so ppl cant be scammed (never 100% but ill have it outlined in the group detail and suggestions can be made) Who and how will ppl be staked... and so on
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Old 02-25-2011, 06:12 PM   #823
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I am a live player and am playing online a bit I am trying to get staked for some medium stakes tournys online....or whatever we can work out...


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pm. give me any advice/criticism
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Old 03-02-2011, 12:25 AM   #824
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What are the equivalent for various agreements where the seller is selling 100% action with a 80/20 or 70/30 split in terms of mark up?

For example if you see a 20% markup you want to see evidence that a player has a 20% or greater ROI long term for this to be a profitable investment.

If a player is selling 100% action at various splits what is the break even ROI they should have to be profitable?

80/20
75/25
70/30
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Old 03-02-2011, 06:58 PM   #825
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What are the equivalent for various agreements where the seller is selling 100% action with a 80/20 or 70/30 split in terms of mark up?

For example if you see a 20% markup you want to see evidence that a player has a 20% or greater ROI long term for this to be a profitable investment.

If a player is selling 100% action at various splits what is the break even ROI they should have to be profitable?

80/20
75/25
70/30

I always wonder if I am missing something here.
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