I agree with this. Anyone within the package would have to have marketplace approval themselves.

While all of our horses are significant large lifetime winners who would be included in this package, some are obviously better than others within the bundle (just the same way when one player puts together a package they have more of an edge in the big 22 than the hot 75). The open marketplace would eventually come to a fair price for what they are willing to pay for the package with players bundled in.

That's a pretty decent difference, especially when you consider the amount lost in losing years.

Need someones opinion on this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...epack-1378369/

Highlights:

Stakee sells pack.
has his stars acc hacked cracked or whatever.
Hacker degens + chipdumps all stakees $.
Stars wont do anything.
Stakee is stars "broke" and obviously cant pay anything back.

My question is, are the stakers due some sort of refund? Or am I an ass for just bringing this up?

Maybe I am suspicous but I would not be 100% his account was hacked or that it was not something planned with an associate of some kind

Details provided are sketchy at best in my opinion and one e-mail from support doesn't prove it was actually hacked plus e-mails are not hard to fake.

Also in my opinion he is still liable for your funds. I am fairly certain if someone backed is hacked/funds stolen they are liable for it. Don't see how this is different

FTR, greg received his funds a few hours after making the post above. The OP had not transferred his funds from FTP to Stars, and it seems that only one backer's $ was in the money that was 'hacked'.

I've got a markup generic question. I have been looking a lot closer here recently on the markups of horses and I would like to know the opinion of other members on what a horse "should" do in terms of markup.

Let's say a horse is going to play an NL package of buyins ranging from $5-50 totaling $500 for the session. Their lifetime ROI for NL in this range is +5%, however their 2013 ROI in this range is -5%. What should their markup be about for this package? Basically what I am getting at is should the horses be doing only lifetime ROIs for ranges of buyins for their packages, or do a combination of 2013+lifetime?

It is possible that the horse is in a downswing, or the games are harder, or maybe they are just not playing well. Since we are in mid October the sample size for the year is pretty good so should there not be more emphasis on what they have done this year instead of just lifetime? Any input is appreciated so I can base my decisions on buying some of the packages as it seems some of the higher markups are basing it on their lifetime ROI and not as much 2013 in multiple instances.

Matt

Why would you want to buy a horse who has a lifetime ROI of 5%? I generally weight recent games heavier in my mind but not all encompassing.

I literally was just throwing the number out there for example purposes, not what I necessarily look for....something to make the math easier.

Can we ban stakeback from the forums? I think the calculation of effective markup on Stakeback really confuses things and it would be cool if 2+2 had a standardized trading system based on pure markup. I know the other major staking forum was well known for Percentage Cuts, but introducing stakeback as well makes things really hard to calculate.

Just do what I do and never buy a package with stakeback.

Or do what some posters do and scam markup with stakeback packages.

Question: Is there any way to receive an email notification when someone I want to buy a stake in posts a new package? I don't want to miss out if I don't check the forum one day.

I know of someone selling action regularly who I feel is seriously misleading his investors. He's piggybacking off of old results, yet is down 750 ABI's since Black Fri!

In the interest of full disclosure, I would have no interest in investing in the player -- even at 0 markup -- and so I am thinking it might be inappropriate to chime in.

Is there a tactful way to bring this up to investors? Do I send PM's to a few or simply come in to a thread and post? Keep my mouth shut and let him keep "hustling"?

To me, omitting a relevant and/or pertinent truth is worse than lying, since it's so sneaky and can easily be played off as unintentional. But my moral compass may be different from others'.

As someone who regularly stakes other players online I DEFINITELY think you should let them know (PM). I would also PM the deceitful player and tell him he needs to make a post explaining what he did and how he's going to make it up to everyone. If he doesn't, then you take the reins and break the news to everyone in one of his threads.

Cheating isn't cool.

TT, imo just post in the thread. I know most people don't like that or mark up questions etc. But fk it, I do. Straight out, no pms and hidden girly stuff.

Yes, please post or send me pm if you don't want to make it public so I don't already horsef*ck myself worse then I do sometimes on buying. Thanks
Matt

+1

These stakeback packages gotta go...these free rolls as of recent are pretty gross, especially if new investors (or even current investors) don't have a real understanding on how they work. I know the information is out there so nothing is hidden but for the most part they are really bad buys....not all, but most. I guess just keep skipping them and don't buy will be the rebuttle.
Matt

Question on bankroll management:

What's the max % of my roll that I should put on any one stake? I know this can vary depending on field size, player's ROI, number of tourneys .. so let's say your average Sunday package. Large fields, 6-10 tourneys, and a high expected ROI due to softer than usual fields (?).
Also, what about a live MTTs's? I'm guessing since the field is smaller and softer I can 'bet' more on these ?

maybe this question has been answered before, but i havent found anything related:

lets say you do not play poker yourself for one reason or another, but are interested in buying shares. Keeping in mind that most people only accept PS/FTP transfers here, what would you do in case you wanted to withdraw possible profits from these sites with no play whatsoever, as this would raise security alerts? does anyone have any experience with this?

thanks in advance

a lot of times you will be out of luck. They don't like being used as a bank.

Any chance we can stop horses from using significant scores from 3 years back to justify a high MU?

stop buying their ****

Usually you can still transfer the funds around so you can trade funds for moneypaks or other cash equivalents.

Exactly. Realistically the mods are not here to check the quality of the investment for you, you need to do that yourself.

Open markets tend to be self regulating. If you sell your goods too high, no one buys them. But if people are buying your overpriced goods, why charge less?

Quick question about swapping %.

If you buy 10% of someone for lets say $100 and they get a $2000 payout they owe you $200.

Instead of buying what if we swap 10% with someone in a $1000 Buy In Tourney and you cash for $2000 but they don't. Do I owe them $200 or just 10% of the "profits" so $100 because we both paid the entry already without actually giving each other $ at the start because it was a swap?

Thanks

$200. Its the same as buying 10%.