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Originally Posted by Zima421
if people want to invest, more power to them. i used to troll threads like that, but dont anymore. people can do what they want with their money.
I totally get this (and it's probably true) but I'm feeling existential today. So just for the sake of discussion:
Why is there a stigma in the marketplace that trolling threads is so awful? When there's a seller who's clearly and knowingly ripping off inexperienced investor's (or unknowingly overcharging because they have delusions of greatness) why can't forum regulars intervene? Obviously there's nothing stopping us, but why is our environment such that "trollers" get a bad rep?
Whenever I see an obviously unfair mu/cut (which has quickly become a daily ritual) I too consider "trolling" and my thought-process usually comes down to a quick cost/benefit analysis:
Benefit
1) It'll encourage level-1-thinking investors to not invest.
2) If it doesn't, maybe they'll consider expanding their research stage beyond the single-click of an OPR hyper-link.
3) It might have symbolic value to:
a. Onlookers - who may think twice before charging 1.22 on 50-set of $12 180's, or
b. The Seller - who's now forced to choose between fabricating a last-minute excuse for having to cancel his unsellable package or having to run out the clock in a forum where 95% of BAP's sell-out.
4) The failure of the seller. It sounds cruel, but hear me out... Either they're:
a. Intentionally exploiting the goodwill of others who lack the experience or capacity to know any better for their own financial gain. If this is the case who cares if we troll their thread? In even the bleakest of outlooks we'd remain the lesser of two evils. Or:
b. They actually believe they deserve this unattainable MU. In this case we're probably doing them a favor. I choose to believe that most seller's don't aim to rip off their investors and (when made aware) they'll draw a line between right and wrong.
Cost
1) If I post a troll comment it'll damage my rep in the marketplace.
I've never thought about it to this extent, but this is roughly what I consider when I'm tempted to troll a ridiculously -EV package. Without exception, cost is always > benefit. I settle on the idea that it's their money. I'm not gaining anything personally by trolling, and by electing to
not troll my rep isn't touched. I take comfort in the fact that it really isn't any of my business. Honestly it's easier this way. After all, who wants to be seen as the guy who trolls everyone's threads? Maybe I'm exaggerating its negative effect on one's rep, but it doesn't help.
I guess I'm asking why it isn't perfectly okay for a reg to simply state "65/35 is too much for mtsng's" or "1.22 is unattainable for you in $12 180's". It doesn't have to be a whole production. Look no further than 2+2's cash/tournament forums to see reg's who openly criticize the OP. Shouldn't this be even more of a factor here where people thoughtlessly ship thousands of dollars to relative strangers?
Like I said, I'm in a really existential mood today and I'm basically just typing everything that pops into my head so there's no need to dissect everything I've said; I'm well aware of the counter-arguments. But a lot of this is unanimously agreed upon - there's tons of new investors who are (to put it kindly)
liberal with their money. Many sellers are charging absurd markups because.. well why not? they're getting paid. And having the attitude of "it's their money, it's none of my business, and why get involved" is perfectly measured, entirely reasonable, and +EV from an individualist standpoint. Maybe it's just not worth it.
Or maybe it'd improve the MP if those of us who understand value decide to troll a little more often.