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Old 03-06-2012, 06:03 PM   #26
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shipping back now, thanks for investing though
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:07 PM   #27
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FWIW I think it's fine to call people out for charging markups that are too high, etc. If you're buying shares of people based on their OPR/HendonMob/whatever alone you're probably making a lot of mistakes. Whether or not this a profitable investment or not depends on a lot of factors, and it's not just related to OP's ability as a poker player. An investment that is profitable for one investor may not be profitable for another.

I would never invest in someone who responds to criticism the way OP did, though.
Agreed with all of this. I really should have just posted my first reply and waited for OP to reply. I made a mistake getting caught up with the drama. I apologize for this. I don't go around looking to get in to internet arguments.

I strongly believe people should be more open on voicing their opinions in marketplace on certain packages. It's for the good of the marketplace. I'm sorry this ended up hijacking your thread, it was not my intention at all believe it or not.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:13 PM   #28
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Since this blew up in anger I think the following should be clear:

There is an ongoing thread about mu and value in the marketplace, and it's not going away.

Investors will be asking more questions, and they're not personal attacks.

Calm responses will get the message across and add to your investor pool.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:19 PM   #29
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FWIW I think it's fine to call people out for charging markups that are too high, etc. If you're buying shares of people based on their OPR/HendonMob/whatever alone you're probably making a lot of mistakes. Whether or not this a profitable investment or not depends on a lot of factors, and it's not just related to OP's ability as a poker player. An investment that is profitable for one investor may not be profitable for another.

I would never invest in someone who responds to criticism the way OP did, though.
believe it or not I dont care about ur opinion either and ive seen u around and u have many posts so ur probably a "respected member of the community" here which makes you think your words weight stronger so you think you should jump in here and believe it or not im fully aware of how I responded to that criticism and im fine with it. I do gotta say im coming out of an emotional private conversation which MIGHT make my words a little stronger but what do you care right I mean there is a lot more factors to investing than stats but the rest of the world is all rainbow and sunshine right? Maybe its just me but it makes me angry getting out of a conversation with a dumb person and going to another place which is usually all business and reasonable thoughts and then seeing another stupid person talking to you. I only can take so many stupid persons per day and then its over. Overdose
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:30 PM   #30
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I think this is a terrible investment and OP is a child. I said it now im in the drama
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:33 PM   #31
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I strongly believe people should be more open on voicing their opinions in marketplace on certain packages. It's for the good of the marketplace. I'm sorry this ended up hijacking your thread, it was not my intention at all believe it or not.
I agree and most of the mark up in the market place is a joke. That being said I think that people invest for entertainment as well and its more neutral than playing the lottery so w/e. I dont think me saying this is a terrible investment should mean much to potential investors.


edit: I'm down 20k+ investing in the market place and have railed many of the frequent sellers quite closely. It's entertaining to me.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:40 PM   #32
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I think this is a terrible investment and OP is a child. I said it now im in the drama
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edit: I'm down 20k+ investing in the market place
Thanks for popping in and providing your professional opinion.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:41 PM   #33
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cashcid linc, you get lessons from IGT on how to handle MP threads er something?


its really pretty easy to answer peoples questions in MP and squash any arguments/whatever if you just respond in a mature manner. The MP is where business takes place, and should be treated as such. obv CD went a bit overboard with all his replies, but shows a lot about you to other investors how you replied back to him.

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Old 03-06-2012, 06:49 PM   #34
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Maybe its just me but it makes me angry getting out of a conversation with a dumb person and going to another place which is usually all business and reasonable thoughts and then seeing another stupid person talking to you. I only can take so many stupid persons per day and then its over. Overdose
How many players who have a 30% or greater ROI in the Stars $1k get that tilted that easily? Part of the reason they have such an edge in that tournament is because they keep their emotions in check.

There was nothing unreasonable about CompleteDonk's post. Had you responded with a modicum of professionalism we wouldn't be where we are now.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:53 PM   #35
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How many players who have a 30% or greater ROI in the Stars $1k get that tilted that easily? Part of the reason they have such an edge in that tournament is because they keep their emotions in check.

There was nothing unreasonable about CompleteDonk's post. Had you responded with a modicum of professionalism we wouldn't be where we are now.
lol @ 30% or higher roi or talking about ANY roi of players in the 1k. You do realize this is a weekly tournament? You do realize online poker is around for not much more than 10 years? And the super tuesday of course not even as long but even 10*52=520 game sample size. 30% roi. lol.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:58 PM   #36
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I don't think you understand what I'm asking. We're not discussing what ROI is attainable in the 1k.
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:03 PM   #37
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I don't think you understand what I'm asking. We're not discussing what ROI is attainable in the 1k.
im not discussing this either. I dont think you understand what I understand.
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:11 PM   #38
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Personally I think there many –EV packages out there, and many very undervalued +EV packages out there. Evaluating a potential investment isn’t that straight forward since it depends on so many factors, including understanding player’s results, as well as possible ROI in tourneys that is being sold to (i.e. field/structure).
I think posting in packages themselves questioning MUs isn’t a good practice as it often hijacks the thread and is not fair to sellers. I also think that most often people making these posts are not voicing very well informed opinions, but that’s besides the point.
It’s a MP, let the market decide. You have questions about the facts the seller is presenting about themselves, fine go ahead and ask.

I know Mathias very well, I’ve been backing him online for a long time. I also stayed together with him this last summer in Vegas. During the time I’ve known Mathias – we’ve done a ton of talking about poker, including many coaching sessions. My opinion of Mathias is very high; he is one of the best poker players I know. And this opinion is based on much more than just stats.

I also have a very high opinion of Mathias as a principled person – all my dealing and experience with him (and there has been significant experience) in the relationship of a backer/player has been nothing but positive.

I do agree Mathias has not come across well in this thread; in my experience this is very atypical - no need to get into personal attacks, etc.
I suggest we end thread now…
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:21 PM   #39
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Interesting thread because I do think some posts are out of line... I mean if OP posts his screenames and graphs etc theres no misleading advertising etc- ofc its everyones right to discuss mark-up in the marketplace but thats why a thread was created for it.
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Old 03-07-2012, 12:04 AM   #40
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complete donk - your actions in this thread can be construed as defamation/slander/libel... but more important than that, absolutely pathetic...do u really have nothing better to do?

you come off as some sort of white knight acting on behalf of what you deem is in the public's best interest. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror, your actions here are absolutely deplorable. The OP was fully justified in responding to you in the way that he did after you undoubtedly killed not only his action, but also his potential to make an HONEST buck.

the market will always correct itself, if there are any errors... and in this case, its my opinion that there aren't. But my opinion doesnt matter... and neither does yours.

i sincerely pity you completedonk
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Old 03-07-2012, 12:30 AM   #41
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The OP was fully justified in responding to you in the way that he did ...
nope


this thread woulda just died is people let it after amir wrote a great post. but, if all cashcid's friends wanna come in and discuss this more, this thread will be bumped for a few weeks and just make CD and cashcid look dumber and dumber.


"Personally I think there many –EV packages out there, and many very undervalued +EV packages out there. Evaluating a potential investment isn’t that straight forward since it depends on so many factors, including understanding player’s results, as well as possible ROI in tourneys that is being sold to (i.e. field/structure).
I think posting in packages themselves questioning MUs isn’t a good practice as it often hijacks the thread and is not fair to sellers. I also think that most often people making these posts are not voicing very well informed opinions, but that’s besides the point.
It’s a MP, let the market decide. You have questions about the facts the seller is presenting about themselves, fine go ahead and ask.

I know Mathias very well, I’ve been backing him online for a long time. I also stayed together with him this last summer in Vegas. During the time I’ve known Mathias – we’ve done a ton of talking about poker, including many coaching sessions. My opinion of Mathias is very high; he is one of the best poker players I know. And this opinion is based on much more than just stats.

I also have a very high opinion of Mathias as a principled person – all my dealing and experience with him (and there has been significant experience) in the relationship of a backer/player has been nothing but positive.

I do agree Mathias has not come across well in this thread; in my experience this is very atypical - no need to get into personal attacks, etc.
I suggest we end thread now…"

is how the thread should prolly end, but threads like this never die cause people will keep bumping it non stop.
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:26 AM   #42
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^^zima on multi quoting
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:55 AM   #43
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Not sure why CD is in the wrong here, I watch the marketplace a little and invest occasionally when I see good value but if someone sees something they don't believe is fair or they feel its in the MPs best interest to say, I don't see a problem with them saying so. This should be an open marketplace where critisicm is accepted and taken onboard. OP obv reacted terribly to this but I think in general most sellers would take the first post of CDs onboard and reply w/ an answer to the questions he asked.

The MP is obv gonna decide whether it's fair or not overall whether he sells out or not but I think generally it's a good thing to have people asking questions about MU in peoples threads if someone feels its high, it's not like CD came in here and coc*blocked his package, if people still feel like it's good value then people will buy and it's in the best interest of the MP if opinions like CDs are in sellers threads.

FWIW I think CD could of voiced his opinion a little better but still stand by my post.
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:32 AM   #44
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Personally I think there many –EV packages out there, and many very undervalued +EV packages out there. Evaluating a potential investment isn’t that straight forward since it depends on so many factors, including understanding player’s results, as well as possible ROI in tourneys that is being sold to (i.e. field/structure).
I think posting in packages themselves questioning MUs isn’t a good practice as it often hijacks the thread and is not fair to sellers. I also think that most often people making these posts are not voicing very well informed opinions, but that’s besides the point.
It’s a MP, let the market decide. You have questions about the facts the seller is presenting about themselves, fine go ahead and ask.

I know Mathias very well, I’ve been backing him online for a long time. I also stayed together with him this last summer in Vegas. During the time I’ve known Mathias – we’ve done a ton of talking about poker, including many coaching sessions. My opinion of Mathias is very high; he is one of the best poker players I know. And this opinion is based on much more than just stats.

I also have a very high opinion of Mathias as a principled person – all my dealing and experience with him (and there has been significant experience) in the relationship of a backer/player has been nothing but positive.

I do agree Mathias has not come across well in this thread; in my experience this is very atypical - no need to get into personal attacks, etc.
I suggest we end thread now…
+alot and ditto almost all of it

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Old 03-07-2012, 02:41 AM   #45
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lol @people defending the 1.14 MU...the players in this tournament are the elite...OP is not in the class of the vast majority of the players based on STATS. No way is 1.14 acceptable here.
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:15 AM   #46
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lol tool

"and one of these elite players just pwned your flawed half knowledge opinion in post 38. Funny though seeing microstakes donks with no clue jump in discussions like that because their jealous. People like you though would never make the first post, they just come along after a bunch of others have already posted.

You can absoloutely not even have an idea of teh class of my poker game, how ignorant are you? Do you think because you see some stats of a tournament player you know everything about him? You think because someone has stats of 300k profit with 10k games that makes him def better than someone with 100k profit and 10k games? Go and do your homework about poker, build up some knowledge and then come back. Just not come back to my threads though since I wont give you much credit anymore and personally dont think people like you have the right mindset to ever achieve anything special. peace

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First off...I've been around enough decent players to know what's going on.

Second...regardless of how good you actually are, asking for a 1.14 MU from guys you don't know in this tournament with your stats is ridiculous. Again, regardless of how good you actually are, 1.14 MU with those stats is laughable

3rd, posting like you have shows the mindset you are in and why you would be a **** investment.
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:24 AM   #47
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"you can keep posting my pm's in the threads that shows how limited you are. As if I do send a pm because I dont want somebody to see what I write to you, read my posts in the thread...notice something? yes right ive said the same things in there already, im just done posting there because to the public I said anything I needed to say. I just find it funny to see little fishes like you getting an erection from the drama they have nothing to do with and to feel big and important one time themselves must be nice right?"

funny boy

edit...you do realize you've LOST money in tournament that are $100+, correct? in 622 games. obv lolsample, but 1.14 MU for the Super Tuesday with that?????

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Old 03-07-2012, 04:15 AM   #48
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i see nothing wrong with negotiating the MU and it should be done all the time and in public. ppl here at 2+2 MP especially "micro-buyers" keep making bad investments which is getting "exploited" all the time and which is the reason most offers are bad and massively -EV. ppl should stop burning money obviously stakees dont want to hear that and it will end up in controversy like this.
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:25 AM   #49
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lol @people defending the 1.14 MU...the players in this tournament are the elite...OP is not in the class of the vast majority of the players based on STATS. No way is 1.14 acceptable here.
You definitely have zero clue what you're talking about, you're also classless for posting PM's. Please stop posting.
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Old 03-07-2012, 05:07 AM   #50
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13 of the first 19 posts in this thread directly discuss op's MU, with gem's like

"I'm not trying to discredit it for no real reason...that's not my style. I saw on OPR that he's never played a $500+ buyin, I was wondering if maybe he played high buyins on another site, as he has no experience at these stakes that I see. His ROI is decent but for a $25 ABI it's nothing crazy. I don't see how this markup could be close to profitable for investors.

How is his ABI not relevant? He literally has no experience at this buyin level. "

Which actually turns out to be false....I don't know when the MP became a community of a bunch of players making sure investors don't pay too much markup, can I go post in peoples threads who aren't charging enough MU and let them know they can go higher?

Doubt that would go over well with many investors.....
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