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04-21-2011 , 07:42 PM
Hello, will try this, so hopefully goes well :-)

http://officialpokerrankings.com/ful...E886D.html?t=2

Going to play 50x $3.30 KO 90 mans on Full Tilt

Total = $165

Will sell 100% and will give winnings 75/25 in your favour.

All KOs go towards stake.


only can take transfers on Full Tilt

sn is DJKendo

will create rail thread, thanks :-)
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04-21-2011 , 08:24 PM
The reason you're not going to sell any of these is because a 75/25 split in our favour is a 1.33 markup... There are people on here with absolutely stellar results selling action for less than half that markup. You're going to have to rethink your strategy if you want to sell any significant pieces.
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04-21-2011 , 08:27 PM
80/20?

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04-21-2011 , 08:28 PM
Stop with selling?
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04-22-2011 , 09:08 AM
BUMP
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04-22-2011 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by diab0lic
The reason you're not going to sell any of these is because a 75/25 split in our favour is a 1.33 markup... There are people on here with absolutely stellar results selling action for less than half that markup. You're going to have to rethink your strategy if you want to sell any significant pieces.
Is this right. Man that seems high
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04-22-2011 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by diab0lic
The reason you're not going to sell any of these is because a 75/25 split in our favour is a 1.33 markup... There are people on here with absolutely stellar results selling action for less than half that markup. You're going to have to rethink your strategy if you want to sell any significant pieces.
Well this is right if there isn't stakeback. Is there?
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04-22-2011 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BigVach
Well this is right if there isn't stakeback. Is there?
If there's stakeback what would the equivalent M.U be? I've never bought any shares advertised like this because I don't know what I'm paying.
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04-22-2011 , 09:46 AM
Apologies...there is of course Stakeback..Can't edit op :-)
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04-22-2011 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DJKendo
Apologies...there is of course Stakeback..Can't edit op :-)
So just out of curiosity what's the effective M.U for this package?
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04-22-2011 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
So just out of curiosity what's the effective M.U for this package?
That's the problem ay. No way to know this. It's definitely a lot lower than 33%. I think it becomes effectively less for SNG packages but I'm not too sure about that. Fwiw I think people overpay with stakeback and imo OP should definitely lower the cut if he wants to sell.
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04-22-2011 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BigVach
That's the problem ay. No way to know this. It's definitely a lot lower than 33%. I think it becomes effectively less for SNG packages but I'm not too sure about that. Fwiw I think people overpay with stakeback and imo OP should definitely lower the cut if he wants to sell.
cool, thanks for this

it's my first time trying to get staked here so apologies for the mistakes!

If I lowered it to 85/15 in the Stakers favour w/stakeback, would that be ok?
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04-22-2011 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DJKendo
cool, thanks for this

it's my first time trying to get staked here so apologies for the mistakes!

If I lowered it to 85/15 in the Stakers favour w/stakeback, would that be ok?
Perhaps it's just me but can't you sell like 60% or whatever at a M.U?

Personally I'm very confused by the this 75/25 thing and it might be part of the reason you're not selling since people can't understand what they are buying.
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04-22-2011 , 10:33 AM
i dont really think its hard to understand the 75/25 w/ stakeback.

E.g he profits $100 on the package. He pays back the original investment plus 75% of profits. You buy 10% you would get stakeback + $7.50 profit.
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04-22-2011 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Taste_Them_Aces
i dont really think its hard to understand the 75/25 w/ stakeback.

E.g he profits $100 on the package. He pays back the original investment plus 75% of profits. You buy 10% you would get stakeback + $7.50 profit.
that's exactly my assumption of it anyway
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04-22-2011 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Taste_Them_Aces
i dont really think its hard to understand the 75/25 w/ stakeback.

E.g he profits $100 on the package. He pays back the original investment plus 75% of profits. You buy 10% you would get stakeback + $7.50 profit.
Yeah it's easy to understand how it works, but it's nearly impossible to understand what ROI you need from the player for the investment to be profitable.
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04-22-2011 , 10:47 AM
I fully believe I will be profitable..My reason for my ROI is simply for the reason, playing out of my BR and therefore not playing to my full ability..but now if I was to be staked for it, I could confidently play to my full ability!
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04-22-2011 , 12:27 PM
I'll bump this once more hoping that some kind souls will invest!
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04-22-2011 , 12:36 PM
ive pm'd you
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04-22-2011 , 12:42 PM
replied, ty
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04-22-2011 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BigVach
Yeah it's easy to understand how it works, but it's nearly impossible to understand what ROI you need from the player for the investment to be profitable.
This was what I meant by my comment.
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04-22-2011 , 03:01 PM
may be ignorant, but surely even a low 1% ROI will be profitable, albeit not very.

Last edited by Taste_Them_Aces; 04-22-2011 at 03:02 PM. Reason: you'll get a ROI of 0.75% with 75/25 split
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04-22-2011 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Taste_Them_Aces
may be ignorant, but surely even a low 1% ROI will be profitable, albeit not very.
exactly my opinion too...in the end of the day..I guarantee I'll be in profit
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04-23-2011 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Taste_Them_Aces
may be ignorant, but surely even a low 1% ROI will be profitable, albeit not very.
This is absolutely untrue. What you're missing here is how often OP finishes the 50 game package without a profit. As long as that frequency is non-zero, every time the package ends in a loss, the stakers are eating 100% of the loss and there is no makeup associated in future packages. The smaller the ROI of the player, as well as the smaller the package, both contribute to a higher frequency of ending the package in the red, and thus will lower the overall ROI of the package.

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exactly my opinion too...in the end of the day..I guarantee I'll be in profit
What happens if you aren't in the profit? What exactly are you guaranteeing for the times you don't end in the profit? As far as I see it, what you're saying has zero value unless you actually back it up with some kind of stipulations in your package.
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04-23-2011 , 11:21 AM
yeh i knew i was missing something. ty for clarity
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