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09-10-2010 , 06:59 AM

Wamy Einehouse

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Problem of the week four is an advanced 8 ball problem. We are on black, against a very high grade opponent who will most likely win in one visit if we foul/fail to pot the black. We are also too close to the red to jump shot directly into the black.

Best shot and why?

This problem assumes we are playing US 8 ball, where both deliberate fouling and jump shots are allowed. Assume we are playing on a regulation US table in good condition.

Solution

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Last edited by gregorio; 09-15-2010 at 02:11 PM. Reason: added aditional info

09-10-2010 , 07:50 AM

wigan rl

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The only shot i can see is rattling the jaws and potting the black that way but cant tell if we can hit the right jaw or not

09-10-2010 , 08:12 AM

mack848

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Is this UK 8-Ball, playing World Rules?

09-10-2010 , 08:17 AM

Wamy Einehouse

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This problem assumes we are playing US 8 ball, where both deliberate fouling and jump shots are allowed. Forgot to put the table description in (sorry long night) but assume we are playing on a regulation US table in good condition.

09-10-2010 , 09:25 AM

wigan rl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wamy Einehouse

Ah roll the red over the black but leave it where you can still pot the black

09-10-2010 , 09:33 AM

SI-KICK

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no way... deliberate fouling is allowed...sick...

never really thought about deliberate fouling before... so hmm, work is on hold for 20 minutes me thinks.

09-10-2010 , 09:42 AM

Wamy Einehouse

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SI-KICK

no way... deliberate fouling is allowed...sick...

Deliberate fouling is allowed in most variants of pool (including World Rules UK 8 ball) but is still banned in snooker and most other variants of UK pool. Personally I think it should be allowed in most games, simply because good players can disguise them well and play them anyway, and also because they force the action in some stalemate situations making the games quicker and better to watch.

09-10-2010 , 10:00 AM

dvsfun1

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Hmmm.. seems easy to just park one of his balls in front of the 8 and give him ball in hand; with the thought that he will have to move that ball eventually, thus opening up the 8 for you. But any good player will simply play back with a safety until you lose.
Will have to give this some more thought.

09-10-2010 , 10:22 AM

Spottswoode

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I know it's not a high percentage shot, but I would probably jack up and bounce the white off the top rail (from the picture's perspective), over the reds and make the black. It's not as difficult a shot as it seems.

09-10-2010 , 12:40 PM

#10

mack848

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Wamy does specifically say in the OP that fouling is not an option vs. this very good player, so we cannot roll a red close to the black.

So, if we have to try to pot the black, I think the easier of two options is to strike down on the cue ball towards the cushion and bounce over the reds (the other option being to rattle around the pocket and out along the top cushion).

09-10-2010 , 01:45 PM

#11

Dying Actors

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def doing a jump into the side rail and over the red balls. its moderately difficult, but not too hard. and anything in the general vicinity of the corner pocket should sink the 8.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/norma...new/NVA-16.htm

Last edited by Dying Actors; 09-10-2010 at 01:51 PM.

09-10-2010 , 02:30 PM

#12

jmitchell42

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that is the shot i thought of when i saw this. that jump shot off the rail really isn't all that hard.

09-10-2010 , 08:29 PM

#13

SI-KICK

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would opponent get ball in hand following the foul, or from the D/behind the line, and 2 shots (current uk 2 shots or old style 2 shot carry),

actually having never played on anything other than standard pub uk tables i can't see how the f**k its possible to jump off the side cushion over those reds....

Last edited by SI-KICK; 09-10-2010 at 08:36 PM.

09-10-2010 , 08:40 PM

#14

Spottswoode

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you'd be surprised how far and high a ball jumps off a rail

09-10-2010 , 10:30 PM

#15

ganstaman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SI-KICK

actually having never played on anything other than standard pub uk tables i can't see how the f**k its possible to jump off the side cushion over those reds....

I've only played on tables in the US. I'm really not so good at pool, but I can make that jump easily, and I can probably make the jump and make the 8 like half the time if I had to guess.

09-11-2010 , 05:06 AM

#16

jmitchell42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SI-KICK

jack the cue up a little and hit it above center. then it is angle and speed control to get it to jump just right.

09-11-2010 , 08:35 AM

#17

sixfour

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jump shot i guess works. in us rules, he just gets one shot with ball in hand if we foul, yes? then i might play this:

play that right and he's not banking it or cannoning it out

09-11-2010 , 01:45 PM

#18

SI-KICK

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i dunno about the jump shot, but if were to deliberately fould i'd play somethin like this..

the yellow line would be the direction i'd hit the cue ball, and the line goin toward the black is where i want the white to go, the other line is hopefully where the red nearest the pocket will end up.

but i have had a few beers this afternoon, so this could well be a proper drunk shot....

09-11-2010 , 04:21 PM

#19

Dying Actors

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SI-KICK

its not that hard. and its the proper shot here for sure.

09-12-2010 , 03:27 PM

#20

mack848

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SI-KICK

Am I correct in thinking that the opponent would have ball in hand and be able to place it anywhere on the table (as in 9ball), but only have one visit?

So many sets of rules . . . .

09-12-2010 , 07:20 PM

#21

The Brickie

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Jump shot off the cushion ainec imo.

09-13-2010 , 09:01 AM

#22

exec771

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dying Actors

def doing a jump into the side rail and over the red balls. its moderately difficult, but not too hard. and anything in the general vicinity of the corner pocket should sink the 8.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/norma...new/NVA-16.htm

yea this is a pretty common trickshot and not that hard at all. Just jack the cue up a little and hit the white ball into the rail it'll jump back out and sink the 8. It's much easier than a regulation jump shot.

2nd shot here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iDwjUrdLzs

Last edited by exec771; 09-13-2010 at 09:07 AM.

09-15-2010 , 02:12 PM

#23

gregorio

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bump for solution added to OP

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