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11-04-2010 , 10:05 AM


This is a beginner straight pool question. You are a semi skilled amateur (able to make runs of 20ish consistently in straight pool say) who has got in early and cleared all the way down to the last two balls in the opening rack of a first to 125 match against a player of a similar skill level. You are on a well cut and well maintained regulation US pool table.

Best shot and why?

Solution
Spoiler:
Good straight pool players define themselves fundamentally by their ability to maintain long runs of balls by consistently bringing balls into play on the re-rack. As such, the positioning of the last balls is of huge importance to which order you should take them in and why, as it can make the difference between finishing your run or making many more points.

In general in straight pool, you are looking to break into the top two sides of the pack and not the bottom. This is simply because balls are pushed towards the lower corner pockets much better (leaving you simpler runs without the need to send the cue ball up and down the table), as well as the cue ball usually finishing in open play somewhere in the middle area of the table as it bounces off of the pack if played well. Attacking the pack from the bottom like you frequently do in snooker is often much more dangerous in straight pool, as balls are pushed up table, and you end on an easy shot much less often, with the cue ball frequently staying close to the bottom rail area of the table.

For this reason, in this spot we want to take the top ball on the diagram first (as it provides a much harder shot into the the top side of the pack in its current position), and try and get on the other ball for the final shot, leaving ourselves a decent angle to slam into the pack and bring some balls into play. The best place to do this is from where the ball is on 9balls excellent diagram (and I fear he may put me out of a job soon if he keeps these up every week ):


This provides the simplest and most effective route into the pack, as it requires no cushion shots before hitting the pack, and can be easily played with screw and pace to give us the best chance of bringing balls into play and leaving the cue ball in open play in the middle of the table something like this:


Solution: You should take the ball at the top of the diagram first, leaving yourself a nice angle off of the lower ball to slam into the top side of the pack.

Last edited by gregorio; 11-12-2010 at 10:38 AM.
11-04-2010 , 11:13 AM
Cut the lower ball in and try to leave the cue ball between where it is now and the top long rail, then cut the last ball in the corner with right english so it hits the bottom of the rack and spins out off the long rail.
11-04-2010 , 12:35 PM
Roll the right one in then pot the other, the cut could cause too many problems
11-04-2010 , 03:15 PM
I would do this.
First shot : Shot the upper right one first medium-soft with top spin, and set up a break shot using the bottom right ball.

Second shot(red on the diagram) : Medium-hard draw shot. This will break the rack and get the cue ball towards the center of the table, most likely giving you another shot.

Also, vs this skill level, running 20+ off the bat puts some pressure on your opponent.


Last edited by 9ball; 11-04-2010 at 03:23 PM.
11-04-2010 , 06:14 PM
Pot the black.
11-04-2010 , 11:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9ball
I would do this.
First shot : Shot the upper right one first medium-soft with top spin, and set up a break shot using the bottom right ball.

Second shot(red on the diagram) : Medium-hard draw shot. This will break the rack and get the cue ball towards the center of the table, most likely giving you another shot.

Also, vs this skill level, running 20+ off the bat puts some pressure on your opponent.

that is kind of how i saw it too. i just put the cue a little further away in my head.
11-05-2010 , 06:12 PM
The rack in the diagram is way off-center, but drawing cue ball into the stack like that seems weak and pretty unpredictable in terms of cueball and how the balls will come off. . .
11-05-2010 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by glen
The rack in the diagram is way off-center, but drawing cue ball into the stack like that seems weak and pretty unpredictable in terms of cueball and how the balls will come off. . .
It just seems. The cue ball will go towards the center of the table after hitting the rack and the wing balls will go towards the corner pockets. I would say 9/10 times you will have a clear shot after this break.

This its a standard break shot in straight pool(perhaps the most common one).
11-05-2010 , 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
Cut the lower ball in and try to leave the cue ball between where it is now and the top long rail, then cut the last ball in the corner with right english so it hits the bottom of the rack and spins out off the long rail.
This.

Playing for the other shot isn't terrible, but I prefer the object ball to be a little closer to the rack and more toward the front of the rack if that's going to be my break shot.
11-07-2010 , 04:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9ball
I would do this.
First shot : Shot the upper right one first medium-soft with top spin, and set up a break shot using the bottom right ball.

Second shot(red on the diagram) : Medium-hard draw shot. This will break the rack and get the cue ball towards the center of the table, most likely giving you another shot.

Also, vs this skill level, running 20+ off the bat puts some pressure on your opponent.

yea this seems like the obvious shot to me.
11-07-2010 , 05:52 AM
tough leave cutting the top ball first. never be able to leave it high and anything over hit risks scratch or impossible cut. on 2nd shot, that cue ball is never stopping center table in the above diagram.

i take lower ball first giving it high right and moderate power. little risk of scratching and at worst you have a long, but simple cut. very easy to leave it on the lower half of table. also, the upper ball is sinkable from any spot on the table.
11-07-2010 , 06:12 AM
wait, why are you guys talking about breaking a rack? and why is one in the diagram?

i'm confused, my strat is based on their being 2 balls left and giving myself best chance to sink both.
11-07-2010 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by squashington
wait, why are you guys talking about breaking a rack? and why is one in the diagram?

i'm confused, my strat is based on their being 2 balls left and giving myself best chance to sink both.
This is straight pool. You should look up the rules online, but basically, when there's only 1 ball left, you rack up the rest. You keep going trying to sink a certain number (125 in this game, as stated by OP).

Also, you must call all shots, even on a break. So the idea is to, when sinking the last ball, break off a few from the rack so that you can have easy shots on them, and you can also use those shots to break more off the rack.
11-08-2010 , 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by squashington
wait, why are you guys talking about breaking a rack? and why is one in the diagram?

i'm confused, my strat is based on their being 2 balls left and giving myself best chance to sink both.
I giggled.
11-10-2010 , 08:18 AM
sorry about that. people around here refer to straight pool as US 8-ball kitchen rules. tx for explanation though, interesting game.
11-10-2010 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by squashington
sorry about that. people around here refer to straight pool as US 8-ball kitchen rules. tx for explanation though, interesting game.
Really? Because by name alone, "US 8-ball kitchen rules" sounds like it should be 8-ball with taking the cue back to the kitchen instead of having ball-in-hand on fouls. Straight pool and 8-ball have very little in common.

But I guess you guys are allowed to come up with whatever crazy names you want.
11-10-2010 , 11:48 PM
just discovered this forum, so just want to post the obvious answer:

9ball, corner pocket.
11-12-2010 , 10:38 AM
solution added to OP
11-16-2010 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Really? Because by name alone, "US 8-ball kitchen rules" sounds like it should be 8-ball with taking the cue back to the kitchen instead of having ball-in-hand on fouls. Straight pool and 8-ball have very little in common.

But I guess you guys are allowed to come up with whatever crazy names you want.
I think he meant they refer to 8-ball, kitchen rules as straight pool. I've heard that myself occasionally — in fact, a couple times I've agreed to play "straight pool" with someone and only thought after the fact to get clarification, and it turned out they expected to be playing eight ball.

      
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