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Old 09-12-2017, 07:40 PM   #151
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Re: How I went from "running 3-4 balls" to "running out from the break" in one week (not spam!)

banks are really esy. most miss because they dont know where to hit. which is easy to figure.
or they miss because they vary their speed. there is a standard for you speed to hit all your banks find that. then always use that speed unless you need to do otherwise. so in general if you hit a bank softer it goes longer and via versa. same with adding english outside on the cueball will make banks go longer and inside shorter.

use english and speed for position after the shot or to make a bank that wont go easily. like a simple across side bank but you have too muc h angle to make it without a kiss. so hitting it hard with inside may make the shot easy as well as makeable.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:58 AM   #152
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My first match as a SL 6, got matched up against a SL 5, so I need 5 racks, he needs 4.

He got 2.

He shoulda got 1, but I dogged an 8.

I shoulda had 2-3 ERO's, but they all collapsed when I missed basic, easily-make-able shots. Will I never get over these yips?

And after an hour of play, I'm EXHAUSTED. I'm a nervous wreck during a match, and it wears me out. I definitely notice a drop-off in my game as we approach the 1-hour mark.

I'm nervous in practice, too. I'm totally competing against myself, trying to get better.

(I murdered a guy 5-2 tonight, and all I can talk about are the things that went wrong.)
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:04 AM   #153
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Speaking of banks, I won a rack after banking one in.

Sort of.

I left one ball on the table. When I got another turn, I needed to bank it, and get the cue ball through traffic to get shape on the 8. The ball I was banking was just behind the spot.

Wish I got Ray's message about speed, because I hit this one firmly to draw back from it. It missed long, badly--but ended up going three rails and into a SIDE pocket! AND I got the perfect shape on the 8 I was playing. I'm out.

"I feel guilty about that one," I told my opponent.
"That's OK, I feel guilty about the last one," he replied, about the one where I dogged the 8.
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:31 AM   #154
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are you playing with your own aramath cueballs or the house magnetic or weighted or oversized ones.
each of those will make you choices different than normal.
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Old 09-13-2017, 11:11 AM   #155
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because I hit this one firmly to draw back from it. It missed long
Well, like Ray said, when you hit it harder, it will miss short and not long. However, when you put bottom English on it this will cause it to go long.

Bottom makes it go long.
Top will make it short.
Outside makes it long.
Inside makes it short.
Softer makes it long.
Harder makes it short.
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Old 09-13-2017, 12:20 PM   #156
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The first idea was, "On a bar box, forget the side pockets are there, just shoot at the corners." The thinking is the side pockets are just too tight, and the corners aren't that far away. This was a strat I never heard of.
So give yourself only four places to pocket a ball instead of six?! I'm of the complete opposite of this thinking. I actually worked toward getting good at side pockets to my options while at the table. They're not too tight and in fact they are most likely wider. You just don't have a rail that you can bounce into and still make it.

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The other idea was, when planning long 8-ball runouts, start by cleaning up your balls in the center of the table. This opens up traffic lanes to move around.
Really depends on how the balls are spread. If you have a few sitting on rails blocking each other you may need to get them first if you're thinking of a run out. As far as doing one end of a table and then switching to another that would really depend on any ducks sitting in pockets that can be used as a setup shot or as an out for a defense*.

* Ex:As you're running out some of your objects on one end you fail to get position where you need to. You can use the duck to "reset" yourself or you can play defense and have the duck sitting there as an out if your opponent tries to 'd' you back.
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Old 09-13-2017, 12:48 PM   #157
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My first match as a SL 6, got matched up against a SL 5, so I need 5 racks, he needs 4.

He got 2.

He shoulda got 1, but I dogged an 8.
Wait--I *won* that rack when I dogged the 8. He didn't get out.

The one I shoulda won, my key ball was hanging in a corner, the 8 on the far end, one diamond from the pocket. Left myself a lousy angle, tried to draw my way out of that corner, loaded up--and miscued.

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are you playing with your own aramath cueballs or the house magnetic or weighted or oversized ones.
I dunno. It's not oversized, yet the coin-op table can still parse it. No, we don't use our own.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:08 PM   #158
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(I murdered a guy 5-2 tonight, and all I can talk about are the things that went wrong.)
Isn't that what you are supposed to do, if you are trying to get better?
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:40 AM   #159
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if its not bigger. then it is heavier. either much heavier or has a magnet in it. either way a junk cue ball and much harder to draw and play position with.

most league play they open the table for you so you can also bring your own cueballs.
even if they dont have a couple extra available for when you scratch and dont get it back.
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if its not bigger. then it is heavier. either much heavier or has a magnet in it. either way a junk cue ball and much harder to draw and play position with.

most league play they open the table for you so you can also bring your own cueballs.
even if they dont have a couple extra available for when you scratch and dont get it back.
I found out this past weekend while at the Tri-cup tournament (basically a playoff to get a spot to Regionals in June) that out of all the different leagues that were there our's is the only one that doesn't open the tables. I never even knew places did that for league night!
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:10 PM   #161
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This is my third bar box league (M8, Valley, now APA), none have opened tables.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:11 PM   #162
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Isn't that what you are supposed to do, if you are trying to get better?
Thanks. Seriously.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:32 PM   #163
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Funny moment from last week: one of my teammates is trying to run out, his opponents balls are all out of the way. On his last position shot, he needs to lag end-to-end to get on the 8, which is two inches from the end rail, on the first diamond. The cue takes the wrong line, and now 2" from the 8, perpendicular to the rail. Again, the only ball on the table is the 8.

He calls timeout, and summons me.

I tell him he's in a great spot here. "Hit the 8 as thin as you can, so it BARELY moves. It will move this way (area near center of end rail). The cue ball hits the rail here (near the corner pocket), and will go here and here. You're just trying to lag the cue ball to the far end."

He looks at me like I'm speaking Martian. Most pool players have no idea how to hit a shot where the cue ball is the focus, instead of the object ball.

I try to explain it a second time, it's very simple--to me, any way. My teammates on the bench are screaming that I should step away from the table and come talk to them (they all hate my idea, too, and prefer the "obvious" safety).

I can see my guy is never going to understand what I'm saying, so I give in to the crowd, and tell him to make a full-ball hit as soft as he can, leaving his opponent the exact same shot that he is currently looking at. He executes this flawlessly.

Opponent steps up, tries a ridiculous kick shot to try to make this 8...and nails it.

Afterwards, I set it up again, and showed my guy the safety I had in mind. I hit perfect, leaving the 8 near the end rail, and cue ball ON the far end rail. His expression made it clear that he had never seen a shot like that. And this guy is older than ME!
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Thanks. Seriously.
Reading my post again, I guess it could have looked like I was being flippant. It was meant as supportive, and I'm glad you saw that.
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Old 09-15-2017, 03:04 AM   #165
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Spent the night watching Tor Lawry YouTube videos.

Just went out to practice. I'VE NEVER RUN SO MANY RACKS IN ONE NIGHT IN MY LIFE.

Just watching a guy on YouTube confidently make simple shot after simple shot. No Bomb Squad stuff. I was able to relax and just fire balls into pockets. I wasn't perfect--but that's OK.
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