I have my opinion on this, wanted to get everyone elses....

Via Facebook: Shannon Daulton - I have played in over 20 U.S.Opens in my career, but the move that I just got pulled on me was the most unsportsmanlike bull*^/# that I have ever witnessed!!! It is no wonder that our sport has suffered. It will continue to until players grow a set and start acting like true professionals and not punk thugs!!!! That is all!!!!!! STAY CLASSY MY FRIENDS!! SD

Apparently, this is what occurred....

Total bush league, cowardly bs imo. That has been the general consensus. Boyes just keeps saying 'I don't make the rules, all ball fouls, blah blah blah'.

F him.

WTF is wrong with these people. That's like the 3rd major DB move from a professional since earlier this year that I've heard of and I don't even pay that much attention. What losers. They deserve a beat down when they pull this ****.

"True professionals" do not put their cue on the table while the cue ball is still moving. Yes Boyes' behaviour might have been unsportsmanlike but Daulton is out of order to make such a silly noise about it. The "sport has suffered" because of things such as rack your own, players fishing the white out of pockets before it sinks on a scratch and situations like this where it should be an automatic foul without the possibility of the opponent letting it go.

Joke of the day.

It's a professional competition. Do you want pool, at the professional level, to have the respect that snooker does? It's not a couple of guys playing in a bar or a pool club for fun or money. It's a f'kin professional competition. You don't place your cue on the table - or at least you shouldn't, while the white is still moving. A referee should call this as a foul every single time with no let up - because this stuff is "bush league". The fact that some people don't see the problem with not calling this foul says a lot about what is wrong with the state of the game. I'd call a foul on myself without hesitation if I did this, even in the most social of situations. It's a no brainer.

Suit, in case you're unsure as to why rules like this are in place and should be called no matter what it's simply to prevent any chance of someone keeping the cueball from going into a pocket after the final shot without any arguments as to if it was actually going in. Wait the 2-3 seconds extra before getting ready to rack the next game and there won't be any questions. As soon as you start letting a few people slide here and there when the cueball is obviously not going in you now open the door for others to push a little further. The rule becomes almost useless at this point.

I agree.

I'm not. its after any shot actually. not just the final shot. If you put your cue on the table and the cue ball rolls into it barely moving when its obvious it was going nowhere near a pocket your opponent is a worthless weasel for calling a foul, but if he does it anyway and a ref comes over they certainly will side with the weasel and call a foul.

The only time this should be called is if it wasn't deadly obvious and in that case go ahead and call it but no pro would/should ever do this. I've seen many pros in live matches stop the cue ball with their stick after pocketing the winning shot when it was obviously going nowhere near a pocket. This is so ridiculous that anyone is arguing about it blows my mind. Boyes is a poor baby and bad loser.

Worthless weasel is a tad harsh for someone who is following the rules of the game. The ball may have been going nowhere near a pocket but is was going near the shooter's cue that was placed on the table. We know this because it hit the cue.

It's ridiculous that Daulton and his supporters (on this point) are or were arguing about it. He's the poor loser here if there is one. Why on earth would you put your cue on the table while a ball is still moving? (the fact that some pros do is beside the point and needs to be addressed by the WPA and the other organising bodies whose tournaments it sanctions) - it's a competition not a friendly game - if the players want more respect for the game then they should themselves show the game more respect). Why couldn't he wait until the shot was finished? And when Boyes did call him on it why didn't he say yeah it's a foul, my mistake? Can we just eliminate this from the game by calling it as a foul every time so that there is no need for anyone to argue about it? Boyes was right to call it regardless of where the cue ball was potentially heading because in ambiguous situations it can lead to angle shooting (no pun intended ) if it's seen as an ok thing to do.

The only thing I fault Shannon on is not knowing his opponent and not putting himself in that position. Boyes has quite the rep.

The fact remains: Boyes is a whiny little bitch. No one calls a foul there if the cueball is barely moving.

True enough. Be better if the player called it on himself though to save us all the bother of letting it go because we feel uncomfortable calling it.

This is the point though. Who decides if it was obvious or not? The rule is in place so that there is no question or speculation as to where the cueball would have stopped.

I'm not disputing the validity of the rule. I'm just saying Boyes is a douche for calling a foul there. Bad sportsmanship.

Actually the sporting outcome here would have been for Daulton to call a foul on himself and for Boyes to say no problem let it go. It can all be avoided though if players would just wait for the ball(s) to stop moving, and not place their cue on the table.

What I don't get in these discussions is how you can accept the validity of the rule and call Boyes unsporting - yet Daulton refusing to accept the call is not considered unsporting?

Because you should have some respect for the game and accept that you lost the game. Not call a foul on some stupid rule when you know damn well there was no scratch. You know damn well you lost. In my eyes you are a cheater if you are going to call that foul.

You are the same guy that supports Alcano when he calls foul on SVB for not calling an obvious 10ball after allowing it several other times earlier and also not calling obvious 10ball shots himself. Skip to 1:24:40



Or even worse this one... Skip to 1:52:00


It is a foul but not one that any respectful player would call.

Er? That's some assumption to make - is it me you having a pop at as well as Boyes now? I've stated my opinion, as asked for in the OP, and backed it up with my reasons. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my opinion, or the actual rules, of call shot games. No I don't support either of those calls and neither would a half decent referee.

But the rule says you have to call the 10 or it gets spotted. So you only think some of the rules need to be enforced?

I'm having a pop at anyone that thinks what Boyes did was anything but poor sportsmanship. If you would do the same thing, shame on you.

You "call" an obvious shot by playing it. We all know that. It is irrelevant to this discussion.

[QUOTE=Suit;48595259 I'm having a pop at anyone that thinks what Boyes did was anything but poor sportsmanship. If you would do the same thing, shame on you.[/QUOTE]

Regardless of whether I would do the same or not, calling me unsporting for saying that Boyes is within his rights to call it is unsporting in itself because it is a lack of respect for the game of pool, Not once have you even suggested that Daulton was unsporting for not putting his hands up and admitting the foul but you appear to think he is right to contest it. If you think he was wrong to contest it maybe you should say so t add some balance to your position - or do you just not like Boyes (that's fine, but it has nothing to do with your, or my, or anybody's opinion on this issue).

If you actually read what I have written then you'll see that my view is that it should be an automatic foul and that nobody should ever have to contest it. You've said you agree with this but not really if the guy who calls it calls it and then you have a pop at the player who called it rather than the player who was careless enough to put his cue on the table while the balls were still moving.

Just wait a few seconds until the ball has stopped moving - how difficult is this for a professional pool player?

Boyes is known for angle shooting in major pool situations.

Boyes is an angle shooter.

Angle shooting in pool is just as shady as it is in poker. /thread

I don't know who either of them are nor do I care. If he calls a foul then I agree with you that it is a foul. My problem is with calling the foul to begin with. Anyone that calls that foul is an unsportsmanlike loser. I never said it wasn't a foul, just that calling that is a ****ing joke and so is the player that calls it.

No, its not irrelevant. You don't call the 10 by playing the shot, obvious or not. The rule says you must call the 10. Those guys did essentially the exact same thing as what we are talking about in the OP by calling a foul on something they should never call a foul on. By rule they are allowed to call the foul, but no respectful player would ever do it.

Suit is right here, and anyone arguing with him is very wrong.

From the WPA rules for 10 ball:

"9.5 Call Shots & Pocketing Balls
Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots, the intended ball and pocket must be indicated for each shot if they are not obvious. Details of the shot, such as cushions struck or other balls contacted or pocketed are irrelevant.

For a called shot to count, the referee must be satisfied that the intended shot was made, so if there is any chance of confusion, e.g. with bank, combination and similar shots, the shooter should indicate the ball and pocket. If the referee or opponent is unsure of the shot to be played, he may ask for a call"

- there are no specific call shot rules for the 10 ball.

Yes there is an extra "compulsory call" rule for the 10 ball in some competitions. If this was the case here then I can have no beef whatsoever with Alcano calling the foul, although I wouldn't do it myself on either shot. Also, the sporting thing to do, if he had any doubt at all about the first shot, is to ask for a call as stated in the rules. The rule is (I think) in place to eliminate any doubt whatsoever - and if that's the rule for the competition then the players should make sure they call the pocket to protect themselves from those who are pedantic about it. After all it is "compulsory".

I've been called on technicalities and I just put my hand up and accept it even if the opponent is, in my view, unsporting. If that's how they play that's how they play. I'm now more careful. It's better though, and a sign of good discipline, to avoid all technical fouls. The fact is, Boyes was right in terms of the rules and so was Alcano (assuming the compulsory call was in place - but if it wasn't then he was 100% wrong) and the extent to which it is considered unsporting is subjective. Don't foul and there will be no penalty!

Obviously this was the case here or there wouldn't have been an issue. R u for real?