Has to be Lindsey

I liked this episode very much. A lot of editing misdirection and some cool twists.
When Giles was missing I was honestly a bit scared for a sec that they went the extra mile and killed him.

When they chopped the ice blocks I was wondering whether they had rigged the ice block for Melina to win but then Kam out of nowhere was finished.

Melina surprisingly put together many details of the puzzle without having seen the clues which felt very killer-esque, even though, the killer supposedly doesn't get any help from the producers solving the crime.
Especially the note part and the tea part felt very fishy.
Maybe they've edited out some scenes where she overheard more of their first conversation?

If I was Malena, I simply wouldn't leave the room where the other coalition compared notes. They cannot really force you to leave, can they?

The murder itself was a bit bland in comparison. They probably didn't want to make it too complicated to give they players an opportunity to piece it together without having seen all locations.

I was actually surprised that none of them really got that the word in the riddle has to be on an ANGLE. That was the first thing that was obvious to me when they read the note.

Postponing the kill to the finale was a good move IMO. It sustains all the possibilities.
Looking forward to conclusion of the season and how the winner is determined. It's not like there's going to be a zombie jury

Great episode. I was so convinced Cris was the killer but then Giles said that she never gotten a scare card. Maybe he's trying to throw us off with 2nd level thinking.

The overacting by Melina makes me wonder. Both before and after she got the scare card so I don't know what to think. Lindsey is the least likely to be the killer imo out of the three girls.

If Melina isn't the wolf she's an incredibly wolfy villager.

I thought it was very suspicious that Melina knew cam got a note and the other girls got tea and all that stuff? How could she know that unless she was the killer? She never entered those rooms or discussed with anyone. She tries to make one excuse saying "what's his name used to leave me letters so that's how i know bout the letter" that's such bull****, why would he leave her letters instead of just telling to her face where noone else could find out what he was thinking? So i'll go with her, although it looks too obvious. Possible producers leaked the info to her so to make her look like the killer?

Giles pointing out Chris never got a scare card makes me think its not her, but like one of you said maybe 2nd level thinking.

Lindsey hiding in the room and acting weird makes me think its not her.

Nobody, i mean nobody, has said Cam is the killer. Maybe the one who looks the least likely is the killer? Interesting that he was the one that started forming his own group separating the contestants as to not be able to discuss. We all thought it not him early because editing always had him and the black guy accusing each other. Which made it look like prolly not him. I'm still going with Melina but he is a darkhorse.

The black guy (forget his name) continually thought Cam was the killer.

the killer doesn't have extra information.

cause people could overhear. We saw ronnie do this in the episode where Geno died, ronnie passed her notes of his information while geno's back was turned. it could have happened a bunch of other times too off camera.

i noticed that too. insta lynch.

kam should win the game if he's not the killer imo. how is the winner even decided? whichever of the two non-killers states the case the best in the finale? if neither of them correctly guess the killer, the killer actor should win the $250,000. not sure if that's a possibility.

@ housenuts

wtf is that avatar lol? :P

I mean noone watching the show has picked him to be the killer. I know Gino(black guy) accused him every week. Which made alot of us feel it was prolly not him. Producers would edit it out usually so it wouldn't be that obvious if alot of contestants were onto the killer.

Did they say the killer doesn't have extra information for sure? So how did she know about the tea and other stuff the girls found in their rooms?

Why is the killer playing besides to make us have someone to pick as the killer? I mean at first i thought killer just worked for the show. But they are just another contestant? You mean they are entitled to win the 250k as well?

Killer is pretending to be a normal contestant, killer cannot win and will go to final 2/3 every time, cannot be killed.

i seem to remember a few weeks ago that the graphic at the bottom had kam as the twitter audience's runaway favorite to being the killer. ep 5 or so.

I thought that was relaying that most of the house thought Kam was the killer, not the general public.

I definitely caught that slipup by Melina (one of you might be the killer), and I've been looking for **** like that. If you guys remember The Mole, they'd throw in little easter eggs like that to subtly point out who the mole was in each episode, but obv a bunch of red herrings too. I've been paying really close attention looking for something that would give us a kind of clue as to who the killer is, but I got nothing. I feel like the close-ups of the paintings are the best source of that kind of thing if it's there at all, but again, nothing.

I'm pretty sure in the season of celebrity mole, one of the guys from Arli$$ was the mole, and in one challenge they had to get bags of money from sunken pirate ship or something. Someone noticed that the money bags had the $ from Arli$$ on them, rather than your typical dollar sign, and he went all Breaking Bad thread on everybody, being all certain that he was right and that this was the main clue to show who the mole is. That only lasted for a single episode before he changed his tune, but we found out in the finale that that hunch was totally right.

So a poster picked up on a symbolic clue, got ridiculed for it, then found out to be right. Sound familiar?

This is what i was thinking originally. But some seem to think they can win. I don't know.

I didn't look at twitter, i was referring to here. Not many people are picking him or even suspecting him. The general public may think that because he seems shifty and an *******, but smarter viewers haven't been on him. I don't know if this is because the show has edited it well to not make him look like the killer to us, or if we correctly just thought it wasn't him being that him and Gino kept accusing each other early on.

Assuming any of those are directed at me, you know I have you ignored.

Episode was very weird from start to finish. Basically the way the winner was decided was a stupid challenge in which Kam was heavily favored. Really should have found a better way to end the show. Also very weird to see the person winning being the one naming the wrong killer. Lindsay named Cris as the killer since week one and she gets killed because she can't run as fast as Kam?

Meh, I sort of get what you guys are saying. What I actually thought/hoped would happen was that they'd have a last riddle to solve, and then they would do one last "Present your case" where the non-killer who did the worst would be out, and then the winner would be decided amongst the remaining non-killer and the killer based on whether or not the non-killer guessed the killer right in his/her last "present your case".

edit: But of course the problem is that the "solve riddle" format doesn't work well when they're down to 3 and it's the finale.

What I will say though is that I enjoyed the climax of them being in that room together at the end - very tense lol :P

I'm with hemstock on this, I didn't like the way the winner is decided.

They should've stuck to the clue-based crime solving even for the final episode IMO, maybe with a giant crime scene with lots and lots of clues that somehow strings the other murders into the last (well, 2nd to last) murder.

I also think they missed out on a decent conclusion of Giles situation.

Complaint with the Format

The winner should've been based in who could ID the killer. In fact, the show and the contestants pretty much ignored that aspect all along. And they completely neglected to use it to their advantage...

Misadventures in Game Theory

Melina had a perfect opportunity to survive when it was down to four of them for example. At that point it was obvious, she should've argued, that she could NOT be the killer. The killer would never allow herself to get isolated like that. All Melina had to do- if she was the killer- was use her inside knowledge to guide her team to a win and she could've kept Team Kam on the ropes and Team Geno in tact. But she didn't. And if she had presented this argument to Team Kam they would've had to bring her in and expose one of their own.

But who? That's easy. Cris. Because after the investigative assignments were made (and this is when Melina should have pounced) Cris was the only one with redundant information. Melina had the morgue, Lindsey had the last known whereabouts, Cris had the crime scene, and Kam had the mystery room (the attic). But Kam ALSO got to review the crime scene, rendering Cris irrelevant. (Incidentally Team Kam messed up here. Cris should've claimed the morgue while Melina and Lindsey fought over the last known whereabouts, giving them a 50-50 shot at covering the entire playing field. Oh well). Byisolating Cris she either would've given a hopeless explanation and been killed, or made a miraculous guess and outed herself as the killer. Either way it's a win-win for Kam. Although if he was REALLY smart he would've turned Melina down, because by using that same logic he could've ID'd the killer right then and there and saved it for the end.....

Cris exposed herself as the odds-on suspect for the first time in a material way when she found the weapon in the snake shed, for two reasons. Think about what was happening at that time. Geno's team was cruising and Kam's team was in the ropes. If Kam lost one more member they'd be unable to cover all three investigatory areas and would be systematically eliminated. And if the killer was on that team she would be quickly exposed when she miraculously survived. So as soon as either team got down to three members EVERYONE should've been looking out for that specific red flag- would someone from the struggling team make an outta-nowhere discovery to solve the crime and turn the tide? And that's just what Cris did*.

You also have to consider things from a production standpoint. The killer would have to be prepared to nudge the group in the right direction if their efforts ever stalled out and put an episode in jeopardy (if no one solves the puzzle the ep sucks). They were down at that shed for a long time and at least a few people had gone through more than once (Kris gave Kam sufficient opportunities to figure it out himself) before Cris rolled in and dug up the floor board.

Those two things (saving a floundering team out of nowhere, and saving the entertainment value of an episode out of nowhere) were what I was on the look-out for the whole time. I'm curious if anyone picked up on something before the snake shed. Cris had crossed my mind before but so had others, and there was nothing definitive as far as I could tell**.

*Incidentally this is why Kam should've have been more comfortable with Lindsey- she had consistently exposed herself to too much danger by playing both sides for a person with the killer's advantages. Only sheer luck prevented her from getting blackballed and murdered at one of a number of moments thought the competition. And, very unlike Cris, you could trace back all the information that Lindsey used along the way to something she saw or something someone else told her. What should have been a red flag was anytime a contestant suddenly had the light bulb go on....and this happened for Cris more than once. It's actually kind of ironic- Kam was so proud and so cocky about the cohesiveness of his team, when he should've been asking himself, "hmmm, why would the killer allow this to happen, unless she's on my team?" Meanwhile he's gushing over Cris "deserving the game ball", while Lindsey had her pegged from the jump. Come to think of it Lindsey really should've been the winner. But she isn't good at shooting a slingshot.....

**My girlfriend thought it was Cris all along. Why? "A beauty queen isnt that smart. Plus she's not THAT hot, I bet she lied about being a beauty queen in the first place. She's the killer I bet." LOL girls.

I assumed that the killer was a plant. But what would've been REALLY cool is if the killer was just a randomly assigned contestant who could win somehow (by not being guessed at the end or something, but id have to work that out).

I mean, who wouldn't love to watch a televised game of werewolf?? My only complaint with shows like this is that I wish they'd figure out a way to attract some high level people to do a show like this. Not some scrub bounty hunter or retired doughnut-eater, but serious criminal profilers, former CIA agents, etc. Imagine how cool the interrogations could be.

I think the formats of a lot of these shows are really cool (Survivor, Whodunnit, etc.) but the fat, uninteresting, stereotypical American blockheads who volunteer make me feel like I'm watching garbage reality TV.

the killer didn't have inside knowledge of the crimes.

but also, why would kam's team want to bring melina in even if she could prove she wasn't the killer? that's the perfect reason to NOT bring her in, since she would almost certainly get eliminated.