The framing of the show isn't consistent with how the outcome is determined, but making it dependent on IDing the killer has its own problems. If you don't factor in past guesses, there's no reward for early performance and you need another way to select the winner if two or more people have the same person as killer; if you do, someone who had the killer pegged early would be a lock to win and there would be no suspense in the finale (everyone watching could call it for Lindsey a few episodes ago when it became clear she was always going to guess Cris). There would have to be a substantial revamp of the format to ensure that the killer's ID could actually be deduced instead of being a crapshoot.

Given that the format is what it is though, I don't understand your suggestions. If Cris isn't the killer than icing her out and keeping Melina is probably the best play, but if she is the killer then exposing her as such doesn't help Kam since the killer's identity is irrelevant; even if it weren't, Lindsey and Melina would be able to recognize that Cris surviving despite her lack of info is very suspicious and so Kam wouldn't have any advantage. Cris solving the snake hut riddle doesn't mean anything because it's what she'd want to do if she were innocent as well.

Did the splicing at the end with Cris as the killer was just added after the fact? Or did Cris really do any of the murders during the show? Can the killer get a scared card b/c Cris never did.

The killer could get a scared card, but Cris never did badly enough on the test.

Cris didn't have to do anything more than just play the game as a normal contestant; she knew was the killer, but didn't know how the murders were committed.

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For instance at the end they showed Cris in many of the murder scenes. Was that done after the fact? So she would have known more if it was done in process. Or was she just as clueless other than she knew she was the killer? I'm thinking she knew nothing really but they just re-did the scenes after the show was basically finished filming.

She knew she was the killer all along, but she had to compete along with the rest of the guests and had no inside information. This has been stated by the producers and by castmembers.

So, the answer is the filmed all of the kill scenes with her in it, afterwards. That's all I was asking.

yes, has to be post-production. I'd guess that a ****load happened in PP.

According to interviews on RHAP, each episode took place over three days, so there would have been a ton of downtime between murders and investigations, and the cast was kept largely segregated when not involved in activities, so they could have filmed the extra stuff at pretty much any point.

I think the season as a whole would have worked better if they had a better framing story to justify exactly what the killers motivation is other than for the evulz. I was surprised they didn't have Cris escape somehow at the end.

Overall I'd be happy if they got another season, but they definitely need to tweak the format.

Oh okay I didn't realize.

So you're saying that Cris solving two of the hardest puzzles just when her team was circling the drain was a coincidence? I guess I just lucked into a correct guess then by misinterpreting the format.

Fwiw I think that's kinda dumb. The most interesting way to attempt to ID the killer IMO is by watching for her to slip up (by revealing knowledge only the killer would have). If she has no knowledge (of the murders she supposedly committed) then she can't do that. She also can't protect herself (if you believe that the producers never helped her) except by killing someone else even when she does poorly. That woulda been fine for awhile, but towards the end it became obvious who the worst performer was (Geno when they froze him out; Melina when her team disintegrated). If Geno had been the killer, for example, they would've had to kill someone random even after he got burned, and the game woulda been up halfwa through.

I had to retype my whole post so I might have botched part of the explanation. (Also possible I'm just wrong.)

They would've iced Cris by coincidence, not because they suspected her. If Kam DID suspect her (which he obviously didn't) then he should've proceeded with burning Melina. Otherwise Cris is the better bet because she had no unique knowledge of Ronnie's murder. Melina on the other hand was the only contestant who saw the last know whereabouts. She could've conceivably survived and Kam wouldn't have known anything new for sure* (maybe she got enough info from that area to make a decent guess). Cris on the other hand would have been stuck with info that the other three had too (in addition to three other rooms worth of info). No way could she have submitted one of the three best theories under those circumstances.

*of course, I was basing all this on the notion that the primary goal was to determine "Whodunnit" when in fact it was completely irrelevant (as demonstrated by Lindsey nailing it, and Kam needing thirty seconds to figure it out even when Lindsey was dead, yet Kam winning via slingshot accuracy and foot speed. Lol.)

Suggestions for next season:

1. Giles comes back. Loved him.
2. More emphasis on Whodunnit. If you don't want to give the killer any information, just make him or her a member of the cast who can "win" by making it all the way home without getting outed (like a game of WW). Kam did a good job on the puzzles but he was probably more lost than anyone with regard to the identity of the killer. Doesn't sit well with me.
3. But really I think the killer should know the details of the crimes they supposedly committed. But maybe that's just me.
4. Get some female contestants who are hot, and make them trade sexual favors for information. Just kidding.
5. At the end, rather then a messy series of puzzles and a sprint around the house, let the final three contestants review past video footage, work back through the evidence, amd interrogate one another to attempt to ID the killer.

I thought that final sprint around the house should have led to a final state your case, and that there should be a lot more emphasis on the who and less on the how, but otherwise I thought the show was done fairly well, if not incredibly cheesy. I'm glad to see that these were actual people, and that none had any acting credits, save for Cris who was an extra in some B-movie or whatever.

You know what's a real shame?

That the technology of the 21st century didn't coincide with the moral compass of the Roman Empire.

Because if it did, a show like this would've had actual murders. Like the gladiators of the coliseum the contestants would've been forced into a mortal combat of wits. The losers would be sacrificed for the entertainment of the masses, and the winner would be celebrated. Kinda like the Hunger Games meets Clue. And that woulda been awesome.

Who knows- maybe someday the world will be like that again. Factories are becoming largely automated. Mass food production has become a reality. We really don't NEED a huge population of untalented, uninteresting people to serve as worker bees anymore. Millions of people wallowing on welfare or turning to a life that leads to prison isn't good for anyone. It's time we found new ways for the lowest common denominator to play a useful role in society again, and high-stakes game shows works for me!

Kam doing an AMA on reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment..._season_1_ama/

thx for the link, cool AMA

Dean, given how the show worked why would kam go with your plan and bring in Melina

Knowing Melina is not killer is MORE reason to ice her out of info so she dies

The way the game is structured, your main goal is to survive each episode, which is accomplished by freezing out non-killers of info, NOT to identify the killer

Yeah, the only advntage of even knowing 100% the identity of the killer is it allows you to perfectly target the people you are actually competing against, otherwise it's pretty much pointless.

Is there any word if this show is coming back for another season?

Hasn't been announced for the Summer schedule, so more than likely it's not coming back.

Murder Island - new British show. Reminds me of Whodunnit?

Opened this with the faintest 1% hope that whodunit was back.

ha, it was a good 7 year bump