ya I really don't see how they're going to explain all of this

i was feelin the pimp goblet he had

So he was wearing the ring the whole time? Why didn't genius boy notice the exact same ring this whole time?

I actually thought Peter might have been the one that had the girlfriend when that Interpol chick first said that the guy holding her was FBI.

My guess is that it's all an elaborate sting. Neal obviously committed a whole bunch of crimes, but the FBI only got him on like one or two things so he just got sentenced to five years. Just before he was about to get out, the missing girlfriend issue pops up and all of the sudden he's working hand in hand with Peter.

I think the FBI has some random charges hanging over the head of the girlfriend, and they're using her to get Neal to lead them to the evidence of the rest of his crimes so they can put him away for good. The way Peter's been portrayed in the show so far, he really doesn't seem smart enough to have caught Neal in the first place. Neal's the one that pretty much solves all the cases. It makes sense that Peter has been playing dumb to lull Neal into false sense of security, so he can try to get him on the whole laundry-list of additional charges he lost out on the first time around.

I think it's pretty unlikely that Peter's just trying to steal Neal's loot. If he wanted easy money, there would be tons of less complicated ways for him to go about it. Plus judging from his interactions with his wife when they're alone together, he really seems like a genuine straight-laced guy. It's not like he's just putting on act when he goes to work.

I just watched the last episode, and this makes sense. He's had a hard-on for Neal ever since arresting him the first time. He knows that Neal has everything hidden and isn't about to give up the location.

I'm not so sure that he is trying to arrest Neal on more charges as he is about returning the property to the rightful owners. Wouldn't that be double jeopardy? I think he's just trying to find everything to return it and so that Neal doesn't get away with the riches. I would agree though that Peter probably has something on Kate as she doesn't have to say anything if she doesn't want to. Something is forcing her to stick around.

I was really digging the dynamic between Peter and Neal.

Now I'm like

I don't think I've ever seen a show jump the shark this quickly.

(obv I'm talking about quality shows since a bad show jumping the shark is just the show being bad)

Really don't know if I like this, I probably don't.

So am I the only one who thinks Kate and Elizabeth look alike? It's probably nothing, but maybe there's a dramabomb coming where Kate is revealed to be Burke & Elizabeth's daughter? Or maybe Elizabeth's sister (though Kate's a lot younger)?

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about the ending. Hopefully when more is revealed in January, the ending actually ends up being logical. It's a pretty good show, I'd hate to see it ruined by a ******ed twist.

That was my immediate thought, then I said "nahhh, no frikkin way." Oops!

It's obviously not what we think, though. It can't simply be that he's been playing Caffrey the entire time cause then the show is just over. There's gonna be another twist. There's a pretty good chance that it's gonna be dumb enough to kill the show anyway.

QFwat

Here's my thought... or thoughts....

YES YES YES, all of what you guys are saying...

Yes, Kate is somehow related to Peter, or his wife or whatever, that angle could work.

Yes, Peter has been playing him this entire time, and yes, this was all part of the show.

Once the series resumes, EVERYONE finds out that Neal has been played by Peter, and the entire FBI.

So the series goes on, and somehow Neal gets the rest of his sentence waived in exchange for returning some loot, or something.

NOW, the show resumes with Neal a free man, and with Peter and the FBI people we met tracking his every move, and every week Peter tries to nab Neal, who starts turning into some sort of Robin Hood like here, giving to the poor, with fantastic finishes to every episode.

Think about it, it's incredible, we could have a show where we get to see the two main characters working TOGETHER for the first season, then AGAINST each other from here on out.

You could even have Peter accidentally kill Kate right before the reunion with Neal, to add another layer of drama to all this.

My prediction is that Neal and Peter become enemies, and Neal eventually steals Peter's wife (Can we get a TAT NUDE SCENE ONE TIME PLEASE) then Neal bangs that female FBI agent, ect...

Think of the drama Neal could inflict on the FBI on a weekly basis... Awesome stuff.

It's USA, not Cinemax.

No context to judge. Just a case of "meh, you better handle this well".

I like the show so far, its nothing flashy but its just an extremely solid and consistent show.

TAT was pregnant this year, thus not gonna show too much booty.

But once we're in season 5 and the ratings are fading, I see them showing us all of her, just 12 years past her prime.

Just got around to watching it. Pretty disappointed with that twist. The interaction between Peter and Neal is what made the show so fun to watch and they've kind of spit on that pretty early here. And the twist doesn't really make sense given the man we've been lead to believe Peter is.

I may be wrong as I can't truly foresee where the show is headed, but I think you're underestimating the FBI. Obviously the show is led to bring a lot more cases and have them solved in 45 minutes, but there is a lot more to it than just solving cases with the help of Neal. A lot of FBI cases take years and years of careful investigation and manipulation, working with informants, and doing surveillance.

I really believe the FBI is setting up Neal to find out where everything is hidden. I'm not really sure if it has ever been mentioned, but the FBI really only has until Neal gets out of prison. Once he is out they will have to really follow his every step and they know that he is too good to be tracked like that. They need to use their leverage on him (ankle bracelet and threatening to throw him back in prison) to get him to stick around and lead them to everything he stole.

Its going to be a whole load more complicated than this.

They wont have created the show to last a season (or two). Its designed to run 5 seasons easily so there is no way they can finish this season with it turning out to be a major sting to get Neal and his loot.

There is something major behind the scenes, like Peter is undercover to help Kate from someone else by appearing to be someone who kidnapped her and the only way to break the case was for Neals involvement.

Frankly, like i said earlier, with no context its basically impossible to work out where they are going, but i just highly doubt its a sting on Neal or that Peter is a bad guy for real because thats just not how program making works. However this story ends Neal and Peter end up working together and Kate is saved and its all rainbows and happy times.

Yay I feel so much better Phill, thanks!

Pretty sure this and the way they are doing this(if that's what they're doing) is like the definition of entrapment

Entrapment would be like if they said they would let him go if he would show them where everything is and then they end up arresting him again for something new.

wikipedia: In criminal law, Entrapment is when a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit an offense which the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.

Neal is/has already committed the crime and actually has committed the other crimes behind the back of the FBI. For example, he stole that painting to make a reprint of it.

bump new ep tonight 10EST

Was a good start to the series. Hope it stays good.

I don't know how the show can benefit having the villain revealed already, oh well... I'm intrigued, since Tuesdays suck. American Idol ftl.

Thank you, thank you, thank you to whoever is running this show. Very happy with how this is starting out. And how the last show's ending was a false flag. Nice.

Lol at taking it at face value that Fowler is behind it all and Peter is the good guy.

We have one story told by one person on what happened that night. To assume that is what happened and that we wont be told at least one more story about that meeting would be a mistake, this show doesnt feel nearly as straight forward as that.

There is a lot more going on here or im grossly overestimating the cleverness of the show.