I think your point is clear now, but I think most people understand that already. That's the whole point of the shot where she swats the fly. That she has changed.

Upon re-examining DD's post, the part below was the part I think I was referring to originally. I'm saying it's as simple as what Sly says, and don't think I agree with this part of DD's post that a fly kind of doesn't count, since they're specifically programmed not to kill a fly:

It's a small point I think he's making, but I don't think the behavior can be thought of as innocuous as he appears to have stated it. It's literally a bug...lol. To me, the free will button seems to have been turned on. At any rate, it's certainly not something worth dwelling on.

I think I found an Easter egg. When Dolores is crying over her "boyfriend"'s body in the street at the end of episode 1, she says "We've only just begun". I thought it was a weird coincidence, but I just realized it's not a coincidence at all.

THE CARPENTERS LYRICS
"We've Only Just Begun"

We've only just begun to live
White lace and promises
A kiss for luck and we're on our way
We've only begun

Before the rising sun we fly
So many roads to choose
We start out walking and learn to run
And yes, we've just begun

Sharing horizons that are new to us
Watching the signs along the way
Talking it over just the two of us
Working together day to day
Together

And when the evening comes we smile
So much of life ahead
We'll find a place where there's room to grow
And yes, We've just begun

I bet we'll hear this song when Dolores starts having flashbacks.

Episode 2 significantly better than episode 1. I'm intrigued now

I'm fascinated by everything about this show.

I liked the second episode more than I liked the first. That said, I don't much like the Ed Harris character and I don't like the needless constant f-bombs; they just feel gratuitous to me.

I thought episode 2 was fantastic.

This show is real good.

The guy who I assume will be a main character is like a Christian Slater doppelganger, keep having to do double takes.

Seems like the young kid that Hopkins was talking to was a young robot version of himself, yeah?

I'm thinking Ed Harris is a robot that is roaming the park with either Hopkins or the other guy's approval. Clearly gets carte blanche.

The movie is definitely skippable, btw. Only good part aside from the general concept was Yul Brynner, and Ed Harris' semi-related version is going into a much more complex area of mischief and bad intentions.

Can't see much for anyone to complain about in that episode. The story seems really tight already. The directing vision is completely nailed for the show, so I have a lot of confidence going forward.

I agree the kid was supposed to be young Ford. It's interesting how the secrets are starting to show up. No one's doing what they're supposed to be doing on the crew, and that's what's probably really causing the problems with the hosts. At any rate, everything so far has been fascinating and I'm very content just watching it unfold without thinking about it too much. I'm engrossed in the story.

I don't see how he could be a robot. The eye in the sky sees everything so a crazy little side project by one of our mad scientists like that couldn't possibly go unnoticed, at least not for long. How does the park make money from 1 robot blasting dozens of other robots on the outskirts with no humans (customers) around.


He has carte blanche to pile up huge body counts and go where ever he wants because he's obviously a whale of a customer (maybe hundreds of times/millions of $?). Joe **** face isn't allowed to tear ass out on his own and rack up $200K in robot repairs for his $50K fee, but black hat McMillions is. I don't think they'd be too keen on whatever it is that he's really up to, but as of now they don't have much reason to think he's doing anything more than his standard rape and murder vacation.

If you haven't watched the most recent episode and don't want to get spoiled you probably shouldn't read through the thread. Or if you just have to read it, maybe don't use tapatalk? The non-tapatalk crowd shouldn't have to cater to those using it.
And if you are multiple episodes behind and reading the thread, you're going to get spoiler'd no matter what.

Idk, I just dont understand reading all the recent replies if you haven't watched yet and dont want to know about anything in the episode.

Cs3, this episode leaked early. It doesn't seem unreasonable that we curb discussion until after it airs officially. HT is talking about having next Sunday's episodes spoiled by coming into this thread on Thurs. A person shouldn't have to research if the episode has been leaked before he comes in here, imo.

I had heard that this ep leaked so I avoided this thread, but others could have been caught unawares.

Ah gotcha.
In that case as long as it is posted that an episode has been released early before having discussion, that should be good enough.
Either way, it seems silly for anyone to use tapatalk who is seriously worried about spoilers (not that people are using spoiler tags anyway).

Leaked is too strong a word - it wasn't some internet hackers, it was put up on official channels because of the scheduling clash with the presidential debate. But still, yeah. Although the first post ITT regarding it was "Episode 2 is out already" or similar. Reading past that without having watched yet is pretty much asking for it imo. I certainly stopped right there on Thursday.

Came in here to post this. That's what I think also, that EH is a robot that somehow is allowed to kill anything. I think the whole point of this show is that the containment of creating a world to please people isn't even pleasing to creator after awhile, who then lets things go without rules, to please him. It's the next step.

So far Ed Harris has said "Why else would I spend all this money" and one of the workers who would know the difference said something to the effect of "That guy gets anything he wants". No reason to think he is a host.

It's possible he is a human who knows about the real intent of the project and is playing the "deeper game" involved. He may even have been involved in the origins of WW

i could see them programming him to act like a high spending human player

but i also agree that he's metagaming it as a real person could be the answer as well

What if everyone there is a host other than Hopkins (the Architect a la Matrix?), and Hopkins designed the whole thing to see how his creations would react depending on what role they believed they had (a la Stanford experiment)? Or, if that is too extreme, everyone other than the guests are hosts, including the employees, and Hopkins is planning a takeover of the world by hosts, and he is portraying them as benign subservient creations so that humans don't shut his factory down?

It'd be a good Twilight Zone or movie twist, but that ain't gonna fly for a multi-season tv show.

As domer said ALL the workers being hosts wouldn't work well in a multi-year series, but it seems likely 1 or more of them are (covertly planted).

There was a sequel to Westworld that I haven't seen mentioned here yet called Futureworld in which the workers did end up also being cyborgs. In that movie guests were abducted and cloned, and the cyborg clones sent to replace them in the real world. Would not surprise me at all if that ended up being part of the plot here.

I have no clue where things will go but this show is excellent so far. And to think I was worried we'd soon see the end of this TV golden age.

cool, then I already know the ending of the show and there's no need to keep watching. thanks for the info.

Hosts can't hurt humans at all. So what's to stop humans from just going on a rampage and killing a bunch of hosts? There seems to be some way to restrict humans from doing so, given the dialog about Ed Harris ("Let him do anything he wants" or some close variant to that) -- but how does that work?

I can't decide if I like the show or not. I don't like some of the writing, which I think is unsubtle and needlessly crass, which gets in the way of the story somewhat. But there are parts of it I really like. I'll give it a couple more episodes before I decide for sure.

My understanding is that the guests get to do anything they want to the hosts. That's what they're paying for. So, if one wants to do indiscriminate killing, they can.

My guess is if you don't like the show now, you never will. This is clearly fully formed, and isn't going to change much stylistically. They're probably not going to stop cussing, so if that bothers you it's going to always bother you. They appear to be intentionally stilting some characters so that you grow a huge dislike for them early on. Part of that is through cussing.

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