love the music!

It's this song FYI

With a 2005 join date, betting heavily _dave_ knows his Nirvana

ty, indeed I do never hurts to have a handy embed to listen to though!

So S1 of Westworld was based heavily around the theory of the bicameral mind. I listened to a podcast the other day about it, it's a 2 parter, pretty long, about 2:45 in total. The podcast is called Stuff To Blow Your Mind, I recommend it in general. Here's Part 1 and Part 2. Click "Share" on the Megaphone thing to get a download link.

Very briefly, the idea is that rather than having consciousness the way we do, where we can examine our own thoughts (called "metacognition"), early man was instructed by a "voice from God" which originated in their own mind. It sounds crazy when put very briefly like that, but listen to the episode or read a bit about it. I don't buy the theory in its entirety, but I think there's some truth buried in there. Mindfulness meditation could basically be described as practising being conscious, and we know from research that mindfulness can cause physical changes in the brain. So the idea is that consciousness as we experience it might not be the only mode of being. It might be that it's like the English language, or our ideas around morals, which kind of feel innate to us because they're so ingrained, but are in fact cultural inventions. Anyway, it's interesting to think about.

This is back tonight and I binged season 1 for the first time over the past week or so.

Did I miss it, or was it completely unexplained how the guns didn't hurt people inside the park, then switched to being able to hurt people inside the part? Like I know it's not the point and suspension of disbelief and all but it seemed bizarre that the show appeared to exist in a world where they had some sort of smart nanotechnology that violated the rules of thermodynamics depending on whether the thing they were about to hit was a human vs. a biologically identical to human robot, and they used that incredible functionality to play Red Dead Redemption with an invulnerability cheat.

There's a throwaway line where the park has to approve explosives that have been already set on fire going off, which implies an ability to remotely change the chemical makeup of items in the park, but the thing that the corporate espionage was trying to steal was the branching dialogue trees of the robots?

Writing this out, this is more than just a dumb nit thing, the rules of a fantasy world need to be clear to establish the stakes and there were a whole bunch of times when people were threatened by robots in S1 where I didn't if they are in danger or not, "is this a tense scene?" shouldn't be a question the audience is asking itself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/c...season_finale/

There is some info here and supposedly some information on discoverwestworld.com about it.

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No, that's a dumb nit thing. There's nothing necessarily inconsistent with the rules they presented. They didn't explain the methods used to achieve those rules but those methods aren't important to the story. It's not even clear if the methods used are 100% foolproof or if they're simply safety controls that were effective enough to work in all cases shown. Your explosive request nit is particularly dumb because assuming there was some kind of change in chemical composition is probably the least likely way to explain that scene. Hint: explosive devices are defused every day in the real world (although not remotely) using methods that make no chemical changes. The technology used to do so is not worth a ton of money.

Game of Thrones level of carnage ite.

Yeah the methodology is dumb nit stuff(a wizard did it is fine) but the on screen "are guns dangerous or not?" question isn't.

Like the show specifically foreshadows the difference with the red paint on the security team's modern guns, which made me expect the rebel hosts raiding the armory or w/e and some "oh **** he had has a red gun" moment, but instead just like in episode 10 and in the Wyatt massacre in the flashback timeline even the oldtimey guns controlled by the park(they also made guns jam remotely in one episode) suddenly became lethal.

Just, uh, turn them back to nonlethal, guys. Revolution over.

Edit: the reddit thing theorizes that Dolores used a real antique gun(that Arnold smuggled into for precisely that purpose) not a park gun for both massacres, that makes sense but wasn't made super clear imo. And that doesn't explain how the MIB got shot in the arm when the rebels attacked the party.

So some hosts can be killed while the one dude gets shot 8 times and lives.

Im just completely lost.

Delos using guest's DNA seems like plot of Future World confirmed

+1

solid first episode

All: solid first ep.

Fly: lol @ them addressing your question immediately!

I liked it.

Was that Teddy in the lake at the end?

Just based on the state of Ford's body, there doesn't seem to be that much time (a week or two?) between the Bernard and Charlotte timeline and the Bernard and the Delos dude timeline.

Oh and park 6!!!!

I have (figuratively speaking)no idea what is going on in this show

I have been thinking about the guns and here's how I would do it. The bullets themselves are hollow and inside is a pressurized fuel-oxygen mixture. If the bullet is going to hit a guest, at the last moment the fuel is ignited and expelled through a valve in the front of the bullet. There is also a valve in the back, in case expelling all the exhaust through the front valve would make the bullet slow down too much. This whole thing will not just slow the bullet down, it will also reduce its mass and therefore the impact it has. Finally, with the center no longer pressurized, the bullet loses a lot of its structural integrity and becomes one big crumple zone.

Why not simply launch the bullets at a slow speed? Because then the ballistics are way of. The slow bullet will end up far lower than where you were aiming. For hosts you can compensate for this, but not if a couple of guests start shooting at each other.

Anyway, about the ep. What was that whole thing about "we're not gonna help you until you retrieve the information"? If they started helping, it would be way easier to retrieve that stuff. I hope they come up with a good reason for why they're not helping right away and it's not just a contrived plot point to make it so that it's a few people against all the hosts.

I also thought it was Teddy in the lake.

I think the security or the new corporate bad guy said it's been 2 weeks since the incident.

Dolores is damn hot in her new badass role! Episode delivered.

def teddy in the lake.

I think it delivered on the hype.

As for the guns... you’re ok with a reality where conscious ai has been accomplished but hung up on some advanced safety features? I didn’t even think to question this but weren’t the so programmed to not hurt anything living which is why you see them not swatting a fly in s1 until Delores does it. Then you could just say the ai will fire at guests but be super accurate in missing or unable to pull the trigger at all.

We saw the AI fire at guests directly all the time in S1, and no bullets ever hit the guests. There was no low impact bullet hitting them or bouncing off. I don't think any bullets are discharging.

With the DNA revelation, I wonder if humans are getting replaced by hosts?

With Stubbs sudden appearance, is he now a host like Bernard?

Hmm