I want to see photos or screenshots. It has nothing to do with what's laid out in your video (again, not clicking that right now). I'm looking for something in particular and I need to be able to see it laid out in a particular way with photos. If you're advocating a logo theory, you have to show a bunch of logos in context with multiple stories, not just ones advancing a theory.

I never said the last shot necessarily wasn't a memory instead of a post-William timeline if that's what you're spazzing out about (I just theorized it might be the latter). Yes it might have been a memory. Sounded like you were saying there was an actual second Dolores present.

Also it would be hard to do the disappearing William/Lawrence reveal without the camera switching right/left/right, so I don't know why showing Dolores from both sides necessarily has to signify anything more than that.

That response was for Jonny. My response to you is directly below your post.

So you want me or someone to create a bunch of photos. Guess what you are looking for and then hope it meets your approval? I'm gonna pass.

You can literally post screen shots from the video you mentioned above. What I need to see needs to be side by side. If you're trying to support a theory, you need to bring the evidence, not say, "LOGOZ". The last time I was asked to look at logos, I didn't see anything that looked like a 30 year transition of a logo, and most companies have logos suited for different purposes. I also was given zero context for said logos.

Jesus christ. Just check your snail mail in 5 to 7 days, there will be a hand written invitation for you then.

I have no problem with logo theorists not caring whether their theory has any weight. How do theories get proven? You show your work, so we can see if it deserves weight. It's like they want me to do their research for them. I don't give a s*** about that theory, so I have no interest in researching it myself (someone showed me two pictures of logos, and I found the differences not compelling toward proving multiple timelines, but maybe other pictures would be compelling). Do you see the problem?

Neue typically looks for the hardest explanation for stuff that's already been laid out in fairly standard storytelling ways with a lot of foreshadowing (and he ignores all of the more standard foreshadowing). Good for him, if he's right (certainly nothing has proven him wrong), but why does everyone need to know everything right now? This kind of stuff makes people look for angles that might not even be there in an already super complex show. We're in Friday/Saturday theory land on Tuesday and Wednesday, and that's bad.

This show is about much more than two timelines, and their relevance to the overall storyline. Getting lost in this set of specifics that is being shown in ways that are extremely intentionally ambiguous just seems like a large waste of time. That would appear to be especially true because they haven't delayed at all in unfolding the universe toward answering the types of minimal questions the theorists are spending all their time on. I'm somewhat confident you're going to have a definitive answer on the multiple timeline theory within the next two episodes, as the two parties (William/Logan/Dolores and the man in black) appear to be on a collision course in a world that has not been explored before (certainly not by frequent visitor Logan). if the two parties meet, timeline theory solved, and neither William nor Logan is the man in black. If they don't, yay theories!

After typing that, the whole William/Logan thing and man in black thing could be a free will allegory. William and Logan are on their way to finding the maze without realizing it or looking for it (same as Dolores, who appears to have just found her way to this point instead of looking for it). The man in black desperately wants to go to that maze but can't find his way himself without a lot of help (he was even told it's not for him). Who knows? And at this point, I surely don't care.

Again in this thread, the main things being discussed are:

1. Is William the man in black?
2. Various multiple timeline theories

What's barely being discussed is:

1. Is Ford a good guy or bad guy?
2. What is the big picture?
3. Why are these malfunctions happening now?
4. Are we seeing memories filling in of old storylines (since the hosts have been recycled), or are we seeing something else?
5. What is the new world (you asked this, but no one here is interested in that yet for whatever reason)?
6. What is behind the malfunctions?
7. Is Arnold real or an AI?
8. Is Arnold dead or alive?
9. Is the little boy Ford as a child and also intended as an AI guide (he's wearing the same clothes he was wearing the first time we saw him), or is he a real child? Remember, an interesting tie in to the last episode is that Ford told the boy not to ever come back to the place where his world is. The boy just met the man in black. That's big.
10. How is Ford stopping and starting the world?
11. Where does the maze go?
12. Why is the maze in the scalps of certain hosts?
13. How does the man in black know which hosts to scalp, or has he just scalped them all and found stuff on some of his trips prior to this?
14. Why do only certain hosts know about the maze?
15. Why are certain hosts able to wake up when they're supposed to be in sleep mode (Maeve)?

There are numerous other things going on, too (not the least of which is the separation of Teddy and Dolores, and why Ford felt the need to create a new storyline for Teddy). These are the sorts of things the show is wanting you to focus on at this time, not the two timeline theory or if William turns into a bad guy (in fact, it can be argued these are completely unnecessary toward the big picture at all, and could just be a fun small "surprise"). That stuff will be answered soon enough. When so much other stuff is going on that means so much more to the overall story, I don't understand why anyone would care about that as the large driving force behind why they're watching the show...at this point. I'm starting to think vixticator was right.

So far my fav part of the show is the interaction with hosts/analysis. Would like more of that and the workings behind the operations of westworld and less of redundant adventures that aren't very clear.

What do people think happened with Maeve at the end of last episode? Seemed like whatever that technician did to power the bird switched her on.

In the time it took you to post this you could have watched the video twenty times. How the **** does not providing you with a book report in your chosen format equate to a theory having "no weight?" Guess what, I don't want to wade through a dismissive, deliberately obtuse wall of self-obsessed text in order to examine your theories, so until you post them in a concise vlog format, I will construe that as evidence that you are full of ****. Get the **** over yourself.

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lol, there aren't really any theories in that post, and it's hardly self-obsessed, so good job there. I'm starting to get why you have the rep you do.

Your mistake is in assuming I intend to research a theory that means nothing to me (and I haven't even stated anything about that theory). But I know you just want to fight, so I'll let you be.

I think she learned that her world was fake and realized that she just needed to wake up from her dreams to see the real world. I don't think it had anything to do with the bird.

I do like the scenes with the lady analyst and the hosts, not as big on the scenes with the two guys that fix them up.

I'm curious what "rep" I could possibly have as someone who rarely even posts, but my problem with you is that you insist you have no interest in discussing anyone else's ideas but your own, while simultaneously writing long winded posts about how bad other people are at watching TV, and refusing to even engage with easily accessible information out of some very arbitrary objections to format that seem awfully convenient to your own narrow view of how to enjoy the show. Everyone else here wants to talk about the show; you seem more interested in policing HOW we talk about it in order to assert your own authority on the subject.

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You are now my favorite poster in this thread.

I think there is a little more to it, hosts probably need to override programming or disobey commands in order to wake up from sleep mode like that. I think she either faked sleep mode or found a way to disobey orders. Similar to how Dolores was able to lie to Ford even in analysis mode.

It seems though that there is some malfunction with her sleep mode as she woke up the episode before (I'm assuming that the tech was right and he did in fact put her in sleep mode). My thought is that she discovered a way to recreate whatever glitch it was that caused her to wake up the first time (it also seems like she is malfunctioning in a way that allows her to retain memories, so she would be able to remember waking up and how it happened).

ham,

I'm assuming your "rep" is that of being a "h8er".

A+ misrepresentation of me and my posting. But then again, you didn't read it, so how would you know? People can talk about this show however they want. They shouldn't expect unfounded theories to go unchallenged. I shouldn't have to prove others' theories for them, nor have to research them. I don't care about them, because I don't need to care about them. I'm watching the show. You can talk about it all you want, but I get pretty effing annoyed with people who claim to have an open mind and won't even seriously entertain someone else's opinion on a subject. And believe me, I have entertained all of their opinions, and haven't shot any down. My encouragement is to actually watch the show, and stop trying to solve it so quickly, and that's all it's ever been...encouragement. I don't give a f*** if any of them agree with that philosophy. I'm not trying to bend a single person in here to my will. But again, how would you know that?

Keep sitting up on that high horse.

Bruh, will you please point me to where you have any actual content on this site? I have literally never seen anything you post have even the remotest bit of substance or value. But I'm probably just looking in the wrong places, right?

But who knows, maybe I have the other guy confused with a disgraced mod I heard about. I suppose I could be wrong.

Maybe he isn't trying. I know I don't. Who gives a ****.

Anyway, who's handling nunnehi's screenshot assignment? ETA? Waiting with bated breath over here.

I just rewatched that scene, the answer is actually right there all along.

We have at least two potential triggers for the hosts glitching or otherwise evolving towards awareness - one being the update with the reveries, which allows them to access old memories, and the second being the phrase that we hear Peter Abernathy whisper to Dolores, "these violent delights have violent ends," which seems like it might be some kind of very old code or voice command.

in episode 2, we see Dolores give Maeve the violent delights phrase, which seems to trigger her memories even though she was not (I don't think?) part of the update. It almost seems like the reveries allowed Peter to reintroduce an old voice command that had the same effect as the reveries even after the update was pulled back.

Once the hosts get into the bootstrapping process of unlocking old memories and achieving awareness of their programming, it seems like that process is a bit unpredictable and gradual. They don't just immediately learn to override. But later in ep2, we see Elsie from behavior reprogramming Maeve and then counting her out of her dream - 3, 2, 1. Then, after she goes to bed and has a flashback to what we assume is a prior storyline where MiB comes after her with a knife, again she counts herself out of it - as if she learned it from Elsie. And that's why she wakes up in the middle of medical cleaning her up. She learned it as a coping mechanism, as a natural behavior within her programming, but it awakened her to a new level.

I also noticed something odd about Dolores' "dream" at the very beginning of Ep 1. She is sitting in one of the analysis rooms, naked, in what we learn by the end of the episode is one of a batch of interviews designed to determine whether the update has damaged her core programming to the point that she must be decommissioned. The interview happens in voice over, and sounds like Bernard. Over the first 15 minutes of the ep, her responses to the questions - about how she thinks we all have a path, she sees beauty in the world, etc - are interspersed with the Teddy returns / MiB kills everyone sequence.

Then, at the end of ep 1, we see the actual interview - which is done by Stubbs, not Lowe, and starts out the same but goes a different direction. Stubbs clears her. In Ep 2, Bernard tells Elsie "she was cleared" - not that he cleared her, just that she was cleared.

I think the interview conducted by Bernard in voice-over at the start of ep 1 is actually a flash-forward to ANOTHER aberrant incident. And I think Dolores is using her scripted lines in that future interview to deceive Bernard into believing that she has not achieved self-awareness.

Well, they did mention that Wyatt is the most challenging baddie yet. Maybe Wyatt can kill guests? Perhaps utilizing Arnold's code?

I'm guessing that Abernethy's speech to Bernard and Ford was Arnold speaking through him and that he's going to use Maeve to recruit a rogue coder. Don't have much evidence to support this obviously but it's a fun idea.

I've got a simple question, and pardon me if this has already been addressed. We've all seen that the hosts sit nude while being interviewed/questioned by Westworld staff. But Delores was the one exception and I wondered "why does she get to keep her dress on when no one else remains clothed?" Then, in the last episode she's sitting there naked white being questioned. What gives?

It seems like when Bernard interviews Dolores with her clothes on, he is doing it illicitly. Protocol for interviews with hosts seems to be in the nude. We see Dolores interviewed in the nude in ep 1 when they are assessing whether the update has damaged her core code. We also see Ford interview her in the nude in ep 5 seemingly in an attempt to assess whether she is malfunctioning. Ford also prefers to treat the hosts more like "things" so that may be part of it.

Aside from the obvious reason (that it's unauthorized) some people have speculated that perhaps the clothed interviews with Bernard are different in some other way as well. Either that they are on a different timeline, or that they happen in some kind of virtual space due to some of the continuity issues if we take them as linear events in the show's narrative. I haven't really looked carefully at this yet, but I think it would make sense for the show to be deceptive regarding the timing of interviews just as it seemingly has been regarding the timing of in-park events. I definitely believe that the interview Dolores gives in voice-over at the start of ep 1 is happening either well after or even well before the rest of that episode's events.

I guess this is possible - it seems like his goons are impervious to the bullets that kill other hosts. But I'm leaning towards something different... from what we can tell of Ford's motives I don't think giving robots the power to kill would be as interesting to him as using them to address the question of consciousness or evolution. Remember his speech to Bernard where he says we have slipped evolution's leash and are therefore done improving... I feel like that gives us the best view so far of his motives. Maybe that could mean letting robots kill us in order to force us to compete / get stronger, or a host "takeover" where we upload people into the AI and they live there as a next evolutionary step. But I am thinking it's not going to be as basic as "robot adventures v 2.0 now with actual death."

Speaking of which, we don't know yet what happened to the guest who was with Teddy when he was captured, right? Maybe that's coming this week.
I think this is possible. I am really curious whether the voices and commands heard by the guests represent an active, sentient AI "Arnold," who is controlling them, or if they are just echoes of past programming that awaken them in some way. I think either is possible at this point. We didn't get to hear the inner monologue with PA the way we do when Dolores or Maeve hear the voices.