You're gonna have to do a lot better than that bruh. Detail your problems with the post, don't say "just lol" as your argument.

Does it matter, you obviously disagree. You're saying his theory sucks and yours is better...and that you don't have a solid theory. Are you really that certain that everything is black and white and there are 2 hosts/parks when this show is based on question and ambiguity so far?

What is your take on when the discussions between Dolores and Ford/Dolores and Bernard are happening?

At first, I assumed that Bernard was just pulling Dolores off the line and speaking with her after-hours (and then putting her back in bed to start the script over again).

However, now that Dolores is on this adventure which appears to span several days, they are still showing her speak with Bernard; later they showed her speaking with Ford (the "I wouldn't exactly call us old friends" conversation). She would have still been out in the field during these times.

Don't you have some breakfast to eat?

I'm still digging this show and probably in til the end, but yeah, wow. I'm done trying to figure anything out.

It's been implied a couple of times that there could be more than one Dolores, in fact I think one of the first questions we see Bernard ask Dolores (way back when) is a hypothetical about if there was another version of her.

Thanks for helping me understand your intelligence level, since you completely missed the point of my post. I'm disagreeing with his theory. I want to disagree with my theory. I have not said either is right or either is wrong. I said that my theory is based on what has actually happened in the show, and that his theory is based on what he wants to happen (or is looking between the lines for in the show) that has not even been HINTED at. His theory would fit the definition of bad television, intended to trick the audience, and this show creator has not played that way in his other long running television show that features several very similar themes.

Again, this show is nearly stilted in its use of foreshadowing (takes everything right to the edge of where it would be ham handed without being ham handed). If a theory like his is viable, there should be a bunch of fairly obvious nods to it. We have gotten zero indication so far that we are working in different years for timelines. We have gotten a ton of indications that old memories are surfacing, and that there might be multiple worlds going on at the same time.

This show is completely ambiguous on its surface about most things, and each week they reveal some other point that makes things a little bit clearer in one way, and more ambiguous in another.

Until last night, I thought the conversations were actually subconscious conversations, and that she's still in the field. A weird thing that Ford said to Bernard (I think in the previous episode) was "don't make the same mistake Arnold did". That again is an ambiguous line. If Ford created Arnold as a sentient AI being, Bernard could be his second generation. Another poster said that he saw two Bernards in different places in the same scene in an episode. I have not verified that, but it was in the episode where Sizemore tried to introduce his new storyline.

We've now gotten an indication that there *might* be multiple Doloreses and multiple Lawrences. If there are multiple Doloreses, there might be multiple Bernards (if he is a sentient AI being, which there have been several ambiguous references to). The foreshadowing for there being multiple Bernards would be the scene the other poster referred to, if that happened as he said.

If there are two Bernards, the one who's talking to Dolores could be Arnold's Bernard, and that Dolores could be Arnold's Dolores. Arnold could be trying to put his Dolores into Ford's world. But again, all these theories are not worth thinking about at this time.

As a brief aside, I listened closely to the voice that told Dolores to "kill him". It's very intentionally obscure, but to me (a sound person), I thought there were enough characteristics I could identify in the "voice" that it sounded like a combination of Bernard and Ford altered. I can't verify that obviously, just saying what I heard. I frequently identify futzed voices before they're supposed to be identified because of characteristics in speaking style in other shows as background.

I think the voice is Arnold

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Maybe I misunderstood the rules previously, but didn't the hosts seem far more aggressive towards the guests this episode and actually hurt them? Could be another thing that changed if the multiple timelines thing is correct.

You're right - I forgot that. I do feel there has to be some big reveal at the conclusion of the Dolores/William quest, but that could just be William = MiB.

That said, I do think at some point we'll get to see what the "incident" was - it seems it post-dates William/Logan due to the changes in the ability of hosts to hurt guests.

They got to a much "harder" part of the park. The entry town is for beginners, which is why black hat was so eager to get the hell out of there.

lol just re-watched this and aspects of her shirt change too, more pressed looking with flatter collar, more open etc. in the view without William

I think Logan would be the MiB before William. William would have to have a major character shift to want to go kill Doloris father and then rape her on several different occasions.

Losing interest in this show. Also can you stop with the "Your theory is bad television my theory is good television" stuff. You sound like someone who just LOVES the smell of his own farts.

I need to stop reading about tv shows on here because shows are better when they're not spoiled :P

But yea, the William/Logan is MiB theory should be fairly easy to disprove, things like them running into the same guests or any of the present day park employees interacting with what's going on for William/Logan. I don't feel like re-watching, but I don't think any of that has happened. Then there have been the Bernard/Delores and Ford/Delores conversations that don't really fit into the William/Logan experience. I guess I just feel like the show is going out of it's way to keep the William/Logan and the Ford/Bernard/MiB plots separate.

People who suck at reading comprehension shouldn't talk s***. But I'm glad you're losing interest in the show, so that we don't have to see your bile spilled in this thread.

I never said "my theory is good television". I said his theory is bad television, specifically because it would be intentionally trying to trick the audience in an already hugely complex show. If you haven't learned over the last 10 years that attempting to trick the audience is a hallmark of almost all bad television, I don't know what to tell you.

Would you agree that Logan seemed shocked at the level of threat he faced in the first instance, and that he was legitimately scared in the second? And that this guy was very cavalier about safety throughout everything else they'd done up to that point?

You're right, this is intentional ambiguity to keep the storylines apart. They're not trying to trick the audience, so they can pull an lol reveal out of it. I'm sorry, but there is no evidence we're on two timelines that are 30 years apart (even if that is what it is). That's a huge amount of wanting. And as ell said, it's much more likely for Logan to be the man in black far more before William if there are separate timelines. I don't know why people want to "spoil" the one "good" character in the show. It's really weird.

It's also very likely those two groups are going to run into each other in the not too distant future. They're on a collision course with each other, specifically because of straying off of normal paths.

nothing wrong with having theories. it's more like going all in on them when the show is being intentionally ambiguous, as nunnehi correctly says, is kind of missing the point. asking "what is your theory" in *that* manner (a complete framework) is further misunderstanding. it's not trying to trick you or anything. well, other than in the way that storytelling is trickery.

I think your statement is too strong. There are some scenes that hint on the different timelines. You may not agree.

1) In episode 2, William gets off the train to enter Westworld. He rides up the escalator and at the top there is a Westorld logo. Later in the same episode, Sizemore if presenting his new story line (Odyssey on Red RIver) to the everyone. In the background is a drastically different Westworld logo. This hints that the Westworld logo has changed over time. You can google "different westworld logos" and see for yourself.

I'm going out on a limb here. If William is the MIB then that would pretty much confirm there are two timelines and not competing Westworlds.

2) In Episode 2, MIB takes Lawrence back to his home town and says something about how they are old friends and recounts a number of past adventures together. At the end of Episode 5 while escaping on the train, El Laso (Lawrence) tells William "Now that we are all friends, you can call me Lawrence" So this hints that Lawrence is starting his friendship with William who will later become MIB.

2B) I'm not going into detail on this since it can be a spoiler. In the previews for Episode 6 there is a scene which also supports the different timeline theory.

3) You every wonder why MIB doesn't have a name in the show or on IMDB?

Perhaps too strong, sure, I have no problem with that (though again, I'm not shooting down his theory, I just think it would be bad television to "trick" the audience in that way, especially since the show has relied heavily on foreshadowing to reveal things).

1. I did the google search you recommended and only saw two logos (are there more you're referring to?). I think the one against the Western background looks newer than the one in Sizemore's story background. I don't think that's compelling, though, as the logos are very similar, and there's no way the logos would remain that similar 30 years apart, in my opinion, if they're attempting to do significant updates to it. I know it's not part of this, but here's the original movie Westworld's logo. It doesn't look anything like either of those logos:



2. That's a tiny hint, but sure, okay, it's a hint toward that idea (not compelling to me, but it can be interpreted as a hint). But again, why why why does everyone who is espousing this theory want the one good guy in the show to turn out as the worst bad guy in the show instead of the guy that it would make sense to become that (Logan)? I'm genuinely confused by this.

2b. Obviously not going there. Every episode adds something new, clears something up, and makes something ambiguous that once appeared clear. So, I'll let that unfold in real time without making any judgment.

3. I just saw you added a 3. No is the answer to that.

Again, I'm not saying his theory is wrong, but it would be a very concerning choice the way it would have been set up. Dual world and dual robots have been forcefully set up and foreshadowed in the show, so that shouldn't come as a surprise if that's what it is. Good storytelling doesn't trick you, it sets itself up. Compare The Sixth Sense. No one was looking for the twist, which made people want to go back and see if it was all set up to begin with. It obviously was, and a part of why Night catapulted to his brief stardom until he believed his own hype.

A bunch of gold-painted buck naked women somehow isn't as sexy as I always imagined it would be.

haha, very much my feelings as well.

Have not watched the most recent ep yet but am liking the show so far.

I find it somewhat similar to 2001: A Space Odyssey, in that the robots seem in many ways more human, just as Hal seemed like the most human character in 2001.

The human characters who work for WW are in many ways like robots. They all have a very flat affect and seem to just do the same routine things every day. In a way they are in their own programmed "loop". Unlike the hosts, they don't even seem to question their empty lives or wonder if there is something more.

The maze seems to represent the search for the meaning of life. MIB is trying to find the answers behind how it all works, what it's all about. He's not satisfied just being successful or having some superficial fun in the game.

Likewise almost all the guests seem to be successful and wealthy, but miserable pricks. The only time they feel alive is in the game, because they are stuck in a programmed loop in real life (work, make money, work more, make more money, die).

I'm having a real hard time giving a **** about robots.

as far as fart sniffing, i think I know who that comment was intended for without going back to look, and I agree 100%

I don't want to think to hard on any theories because it will ruin the show for me but....

William is EVP at his work, I don't see how he will create such an important foundation where people will come up to him. As I said before, William would have to have a major character shift to become MiB. Doloris is becoming self aware in his time line, that would be 30 years before the present time, she is changing fast, 30 years later, she would be fully aware. Or whatever you want to call it.

2 timelines seems a stretch and William becoming MiB seems impossible.