I'm glad WW is more than just a well made action show like I thought it might be, but man, this show just gets more and more convoluted after every scene. I'm not complaining, obviously a show like this takes more than a pilot to set everything up. Well, we're in the weeds now.


Are the cattle real?

1. The park employees seem to sleep and stay in the park. They don't go home.
2. We only saw guests enter the park from the POV of inside the train. They sort of go through a tunnel and they are suddenly in the park.
3. In the control center, there is a very complex and detailed model of the park that is under constant observation.

Is it possible that the model actually IS the park, and that the guests and employees are somehow "shrunk" into it?

Just a feeling I've been having while watching...

nothing is real except the flies...

which kind of destroys my theory....

Welcome to the world building of Jonathan Nolan.

The cattle are not real.

That was another really good episode.

Delores is raped and murdered after seeing her parents murdered 5+ times a week, on an endless loop. Her life is an ongoing Dr Mengele experiment, endless torture without the release of death. also, the real stakes is when they all freak the **** out and go on an unscripted kill crazy rampage.

This is where I'm starting to feel like I am with it. Plus everyone in the real world talks in a dull monotone voice

So I haven't read Julian Jaynes since the old Berkeley days, but pretty sure this is what Hopkins is referencing in this episode. It certainly fits in with whats going on with the hosts/AI, and makes me want to dust off this book since its been 30 years...

Jimmi entered the unmoving train car from an elevator (can see it going back down after he steps off and the door closes in Ep 2). Then the train started moving into the park after he was aboard.

The orientation/dressing area for the park must be underground beneath the train's starting station.

I look forward to continuing to watch this, but I'm rarely bored watching TV shows I'm committed to and I've felt bored multiple times while watching each episode so far. I had high expectations going in and have to admit I'm a bit disappointed so far.

Also, probably a ridiculously nitty thing to be irritated by, but it bothered me when Ford, in addressing Bernard's son, referred to him as "your son Charlie" rather than simply saying "Charlie." I realize it's intended to make it easier for the audience to make the connection to Bernard's son, but have some faith in the audience. That's a really poor dialogue writing decision imo.

No one wrote that line to dumb it down to the audience. That's one of the most amazing nits I've ever seen.

I think Arnold downloaded himself into Ed Harris or something along those lines.

Ed Harris says "I was born here" and the consciousness transfer would be a type of re-birth.

When terrorizing the small village after saving the guy from getting hanged, Ed says something like "You're the most real when you suffer."

This could be in line with Arnold's vision to make them truly conscious.

Plus he seems to know everything about all the characters.

Not sure why he needs a map, but maybe Anthony Hopkins hid something from him.

I'm loving this show. Halfway through this episode I had already decided I needed to watch it again later... My world needed a show like this.

Just a couple of thoughts. A few people are saying when Dolores stumbles into Will's (Jimmi Simposon's) camp at the end, that shows the timelines are off and that Will isn't the MiB... That could easily be a misleading edit from the show's creators.

We see Dolores two scenes in a row... the scene where she kills Trevor from GTA and then the scene where she stumbles into Will's arms. The stumble scene could have been from 30 years ago... she could have had a separate incident causing her to show up at Will's camp.

That could be a stretch, but it wouldn't be the first time I've seen disjointed / intentionally misleading story telling.

2nd thing I found interesting.

When Dolores escaped from the crew that murdered her parents... she seemed to "remember" that she was about to get shot, so she took off before the outlaw could pull the trigger.

It was presented almost as if she had the power to rewind her story line a few seconds and make a different decision, like she was using a cheat code in a game.

I liked the dynamic of how that was presented.

I'm finding the scenery and the towns, bars, terrain almost more interesting than the philosophical insight or storyline/plot. I just love this setting. The inner workings of the park are pretty fun to see too.

Maybe I'm just imagining things but the picture Ford showed Bernard looked kinda fakeish to me, which I know sounds lol and crazy. Will look closer when I inevitably rewatch.

ETA: here's a screen cap. Think it could definitely be doctored in someway so not feeling as crazy now.

I thought Ford said it that way to let Bernard know he's aware he is messing with Dolores, since she also asked about Bernard's son.

Yeah there's definitely potential here. And you have to wonder if Hopkins is aware that this hybrid host dude has traits of Arnold/"is" Arnold, hence the reason that he gets carte blanche inside of the park to do whatever the hell he wants.

There's still the problem of MiB being a super sadistic ****, though.

so can we assume the masked in the hills group are humans, because guns didn't seem to affect them?

Those scenes reminded me of Blood Tomahawk or Blood Meridian.

Just read a theory that Arnold, in some form, is what lies at the end of the maze, and it is Hopkins who has figured it out, repurposed MiB for that task (or if MiB is a real person, asked him to do it), and is trying to get to him. Could be cool.

RE: masked group, I am guessing they could either be humans who are wayyyyyyyyy deep into the game and have gone off the reservation, Blood Meridian style as you say, or they could be specialized hosts designed to protect something. There was a lot of weird **** going in that scene.

The last two episodes have left me feeling really flat. The first episode was a good intro to the world but the last two have just been spinning wheels, too much repetition and sinister hushed conversations.

Im pretty shocked at some being bored or let down so far. Im all in, probably the most excited and into a show ive ever been this early to be honest.

I'm all in and excited too, but I also think the last 2 episodes have had a lot of redundant meh moments.

I think what's got me disconnected is there's not a single normal or likable human being on the show.

Everybody is dour and sinister.

Who are we supposed to like? The snarky security guy or the snarky IT chick? The super serious board room lady or the super serious head IT guy?

Why is everyone so miserable and serious? This looks like the worst place to work ever.

Cotton,


I def find it annoying how often they do that.

I think we are supposed to feel bad for the robots at this point. They are the heroes, specifically Delores. This is the anti-Jurrasic park. The robots are realizing they're being used/treated like **** and will probably rebel especially with the modification in the code.

I partly agree and partly disagree with that statement. I do think we're supposed to feel bad for the robots, mainly so that we can start rooting for them when they revolt. The William character slightly changes that dynamic because he's a light of hope of someone who's not going to Westworld to be a horrible person. He could be viewed as a shining light for robots starting to form memories.

A minor theory that I think is plausible is that the man in black isn't trying to find the deepest level of the maze. I think it's plausible that he's actually trying to find the exit.

I also think it's possible that Arnold was not really Ford's partner, but someone he created as a "human", meaning he could be perceived as a guest and not be killed by the hosts. He might have run amok, and created his own autonomous robots (such as the man in black), and Ford had to put him down. But one or more of Arnold's creations might not have been found, and that creation might be trying to use words and phrases to help the hosts retain their memories. If you think about it, what makes us who we are is our memories. If you give the hosts memories, and an ever building ethical engine, they become quite human. And after what's been done to them, you can see how this could become a problem. If the theory about Arnold is the case, Bernard is probably his new Arnold, and there might be more than a few "human" hosts working in the shop. I found the scene with the boss woman and Bernard in their love scene to be awkward at best. It made it seem like either one of them could be a host.