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10-15-2016 , 09:23 PM

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Bernard is definitely the 'big bad' this season.

... or is he?

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10-15-2016 , 09:56 PM

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... or is he?

These violent delights have violent ends

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10-16-2016 , 12:11 AM

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These violent delights have violent ends

I'm assuming Ford is the original programmer of that line. Alternate theory is Bernard suspects or knows Ford is up to something and is covertly interviewing Dolores to investigate Ford.

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10-16-2016 , 10:47 AM

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Not sure what to think about the second ep. This seems like show that could easily go badly off the rails or disappear up its own arse.

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10-16-2016 , 12:18 PM

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Reddit is crazy, someone already found the maze entrance using google earth and it looks like the guy MiB scalped in E1 may have actually knew where the maze was too

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10-16-2016 , 02:16 PM

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it seemed like the dude in e2 knew where it was, what's so big about the first guy knowing?

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10-16-2016 , 06:43 PM

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A friend mentioned a theory to me that sounded really interesting...

His theory (or the theory he read somewhere and stole) is that Jimmi Simpson (McPoyle) is also the MiB...

We are concurrently watching his existing timeline and his origin story which began 30 years ago.

I think it would be great to see his evolution from a bright eyed newbie to the grizzled veteran we see in Ed Harris. Obviously this theory can quickly fall apart, but as we're only 2 episodes in, it's at least plausible for now.

I think I'd be down with this. Maybe they'll show this as a general character evolution without actually having it be the same guy. Like how in The Wire, Dukie isn't ACTUALLY Bubbles, but we still all get the point.

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10-16-2016 , 09:19 PM

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The corp. lady when taking a smoke break asks the story-maker what he thinks the goals of the corporation are. IMO the eventual goal of this technology is the ability to 'upload' a person's consciousness into an avatar - allowing someone to live forever. As Hopkins says, in this future they've cured all diseases, so there's only one goal left: immortality. Sure it's only two episodes in, but I see this as being the 'reason' behind the development of Westworld and similar simulations.

Great first two episodes, alot to think about and so much fodder to discuss.

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10-16-2016 , 10:11 PM

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"Jimmi Simpson is Ed Harris" theory seems like it's a good bet.

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10-16-2016 , 10:16 PM

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Show is awesome, minor thing though Hopkins is too Hopkinsy for my liking, too ponderous, and the philosophical exposition this episode was strained I thought.

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10-16-2016 , 10:18 PM

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IMO the eventual goal of this technology is the ability to 'upload' a person's consciousness into an avatar - allowing someone to live forever.

I'm assuming Nolan and collaborators are smart enough to know that "uploading" your consciousness in any way is just making a clone of yourself, not extending your own life.

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10-16-2016 , 10:32 PM

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"Jimmi Simpson is Ed Harris" theory seems like it's a good bet.

Doubt it. It would be some seriously unfair misdirection if Dolores was shown being able to call up memories of experiences in the barn with MiB in order to be able to shoot the host about to rape her, rides off after while being shot at, then in the next scene is shown stumbling traumatized into Jimmi Simpson's campsite 30 years ago.

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10-16-2016 , 10:33 PM

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It's a little unclear what parts of the show are linear and non-linear, and viewing the preview for next episode throws another wrench into it.

The jump cut from the Ed Harris storyline ("start at the beginning") to Jimmi Simpson certainly implied that they're connected in some way.

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10-16-2016 , 10:35 PM

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Show is awesome, minor thing though Hopkins is too Hopkinsy for my liking, too ponderous, and the philosophical exposition this episode was strained I thought.

Speculative but I did get the feeling when Ford was talking about Arnold he was actually describing what HE did (and is probably still doing).

Arnold might be a partner Ford had to murder in the beginning.

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10-16-2016 , 10:40 PM

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I also got the impression he may have been talking about himself in the Arnold conversation, but him disrobing and cutting the host in the scene before I think kinda contrasted himself pretty strongly with the Bernard/Arnold view (and Bernard immediately thought to undo his Dolores experiment).

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10-16-2016 , 10:44 PM

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(and Bernard immediately thought to undo his Dolores experiment)

I think he realized Ford might be onto him because she asked him about his Son.

In retrospect that might also have been why Bernard got so nervous when Dolores asked him "have YOU done something wrong" in Ep 2.

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10-16-2016 , 10:44 PM

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well the editing thus far on Simpson leads me to believe he's 100% gonna be a "bad guy" in the long run... but maybe that's just me.

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10-16-2016 , 10:52 PM

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Show delivers.. those new hosts in wyatts gang don't seemed to be phased by bullets, and are carrying knives. I'm guessing that they'll kill a guest, and maybe they already did, I didn't see what happened to the girl with Teddy.

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10-16-2016 , 10:56 PM

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back to the Jimmi is Ed stuff

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10-16-2016 , 10:59 PM

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Not saying it's the favorite, but I think MiB could be Arnold as well.

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10-16-2016 , 11:21 PM

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back to the Jimmi is Ed stuff

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But getting back to my comment on linear timelines, this would be a timeline where Bernard is 30 years in the past, if we assume that Dolores shooting the dude & stumbling into camp at the end of the episode was a direct result of her "father" seeing the picture & the sessions with Bernard.

The theory doesn't really work.

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Not saying it's the favorite, but I think MiB could be Arnold as well.

Nah, we saw a brief picture of him, wasn't Ed Harris. Also he wouldn't need maps or anything, since he designed the thing.

One possibility is that Arnold is physically dead, but he has hidden "himself" somewhere in the hosts.

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10-16-2016 , 11:52 PM

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Just finished the episode and I have to say the show is starting to lose me. I really don't give a **** about the hosts when they are in danger, specially Dolores and her "boyfriend". Dude dies every single episode and it's just boring. There are no real stakes.

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10-16-2016 , 11:56 PM

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One possibility is that Arnold is physically dead, but he has hidden "himself" somewhere in the hosts.

That would explain the voices Dolores and other hosts are hearibg

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10-17-2016 , 12:44 AM

#299

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Not saying it's the favorite, but I think MiB could be Arnold as well.

Doubt that and no way he is an older Jimmi.

However -

Spoiler:

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10-17-2016 , 01:16 AM

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I am so in the bag for this show right now. Might already be my 2 seed amongst current shows trailing only Leftovers.

After ep3 way more confident about my MIB : Jimmi :: Bubbles : Dukie analogy.

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