Lurker who is aware that Keed is an awful-take machine.

He's clearly right in this case.

People calling Sorkin out on outing Spencer are probably going a little too far though. The most likely scenario imo is that close family and friends knew, and Sorkin just accidentally let it slip during the recollection of a story. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

It did get cut out of the podcast.

It was a great episode, felt like Sorkin really wanted to get a bunch of thoughts about the show out.

I just got a major tv hardon. Please make it real.

Rewatching season 1 for the umpteenth time. This show really hit the ground running.

I have no interest in a WW reboot and I'm just as big a fan as the next guy.

Let it be.

I don't think I am either, even if all the necessary ingredients are in place. Part of me would like to see what a version of the show where Rob Lowe stayed looks like, though Malina had some excellent moments throughout season 4. A Sorkin penned season 5 and 6 could've been interesting. But I'm sure it would be a completely new thing, and that sounds stupid.

Ya who would ever want a reboot of one of the best tv shows all time with the greatest living writer returning.

I'd love to see a reboot. If it stinks, who cares? It won't take anything away from the original, imo.

Did y’all see Newroom?!?!

lol I liked Newsroom

Well... with all this extra free time we’ve had the last few months, I decided to do a reverse-chronological Sorkin TV marathon, plus a couple of films. And a lot of a certain podcast.

The Newsroom - Much easier to watch the 2nd time around. I already knew what happened, so I could just chill and enjoy the dialogue. The bad was easy to shove aside and I don’t think there was as much as I thought there was when I watched it while it was airing.

Studio 60 - Probably my 4th watch of this show and after gong through so much Sorkin in such short time, this show fell a bit in my overall opinion. I loved it when it aired, still loved it when it was done, still found it enjoyable but the bad jumps high when compared to the other shows.

Sports Night - Only my 2nd watch after it went off the air. I really thought I’d be annoyed watching it. I was not at all, aside from 1 story line. Kinda loved it all the way through. Dana’s 6 month plan was the only part I still shrugged at. But also... my love for Natalie has not wavered at all!!!

The West Wing - I think I have to re-evaluate my GOAT show listings because I loved this watch-though more then I did the other countless times I watched it. I even listened to probably about half of The West Wing Weekly podcast. Maybe closer to 2/3’s. I really can’t believe how much I enjoyed marathon’ing both. I’m also infuriated with myself for not knowing about the finale happening live in LA. I could’ve gone and would’ve paid a good amount for a ticket to that!!

I think I might even watch TWW again!!!

I had 2 tix to the finale podcast and had to cancel my trip to LA - could have transferred them to you! I went to a live taping earlier in the run and it was a lot of fun.

I need to watch Sports Night. Always avoided because I didn't have it on any of my streaming platforms but totally forgot about it, and I now have Hulu.

Sports Night is quite fun if you remember that it was the late 90’s, but don’t have to remind yourself it was the late 90’s haha

Some of those podcast episodes are really great and none of the ones I listened to were bad at all. If I was on tour or something like that, I probably would’ve listened to them all. Or at least participated in some of the chats on their website!!

oops. i posted this in general tv this morning instead of here...


holy hell this show is DISGUSTING! but also good? lol! like ldo sorkin is obviously a hella talented writer. and it's a very talented cast. and it's a pleasant idea to have a govt that actually cares and is competent.

the problem is they are all a bunch of racist imperialists, or ignorant, or lying to themselves. like they have pictures of washington and roosevelt up all over the place. and both were genocidal racists.

and early on in season one jeb bartlett has to be talked down from murdering thousands of innocent families because he is mad his friend died.

Heh, yea, in addition to the trash neoliberal imperialist world view the show has, Sorkin/it are also unbelievably sexist. This podcast episode of The West Wing Thing was a good listen:

https://westwingthing.libsyn.com/way...ber-alee-frost

Pictures of Washington and Roosevelt...in the Whitehouse!...shocking. All copies of the show should be burned and buried so as not to pollute future innocent children.

basically all the leaders are white men, and all their secretaries are women. half the scenes are shot with paintings, busts, or statues of genocidal racists in the background.

in the future this show might seem like madmen. like when we watch madmen and they show how racist and sexist people were in the 50s. but in madmen it's intentional. westwing is trying to be progressive.


sure, you can lol at me whining about washington and roosevelt in the white house, but you don't deny they were genocidal racists. we shouldn't live in a society where we celebrate genocidal racists, especially on a show that is supposed to be politically left

Was listening to this podcast episode: https://westwingthing.libsyn.com/7-ep-7-season-1 on The State Dinner. I haven't listened to the whole podcast series, but I guess prior to this the hosts still had some love and sympathy for the show, which was drained after watching S1E7.

The State Dinner features a hugely negative take on unions by our "heroes", as well as some good clean liberal racism by the noble Toby, plus a bunch of stupid writing errors by Sorkin and the usual gross sexism.

Regardless of what you think of filthyvermin's possible trolling about Presidential busts 20 years ago, the politics of the show are garbage and it's hilarious that a generation of liberals grew up thinking these characters were good and noble people doing good things who should be emulated.

This is where the far left just loses the plot. For the record I am pretty far left myself.

A show like madmen is about the 1960s. Guess what there was racism and sexism in the 1960s. You don’t recreate history to modern sensibilities for Christ sake. Imagine madmen where all the leaders are black women. It could be another great show but not a historically accurate one.

It’s like saying Handmaids Tale should be better on feminism.

It astounding how difficult it is for some people to differentiate historic from modern sensibilities.

idk if this is lol reading comprehension fail, or lolme for writing fail.

but i wasn't complaining about madmen's portrayal of racism and sexism. my point was that madmen is sexist and racist as part of the show. it's like part of their message "hey look at how sexist and racist we were back then! wow!"

with west wing, their message is the opposite "hey look at how woke and just we are! wow!" when in reality they are racist and sexist af. and i was hoping that in the future people would understand that, and come to view westwing how we view madmen.

yeah the unions thing was gross. i didn't know there was a whole podcast dedicated to criticizing westwing lol! i love it


right now im watching them all suffer deep psychological trauma over an attempted lynching of a blackman. meanwhile they continue to lionize all the slave owners in the white house, washington, jefferson, etc.

and what do you mean presidential busts 20 years ago? you don't think those same busts are there right now? those same racists are on my money, and the streets and schools are named after them. they are generally considered heroes.

there's a phil ochs song i love "love me i'm a liberal"

he's singing about these westwing ****s and everyone like them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLqKXrlD1TU

he's a folk singer from the 60s

in season one they had a pic of teddy roosevelt up in the oval office. they replaced it for season 2

and in season one they had a gigantic teddy roosevelt pic up in the roosevelt room. it was in tons of shots. i think it's replaced too in season 2, or barely in any shots.

they didn't replace the george washington stuff.

it's kinda bizarre that teddy roosevelt was so prominent in the show. he wasn't an exceptional president. i read that traditionally when dems have the white house they put up fdr in the roosevelt room. and when repubs have it, they put up teddy. it's really weird the show put up teddy. and they even quoted him one episode. i don't remember the quote, but it wasn't the quote i would have used. teddy said "I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are. And I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."