Dom and others,

What VT said. Have you been watching some other version of walking dead the last six years that hasn't been consistently terrible? If so, please let me know where to find it! I agree with most of your criticisms, but they are also pretty much what I expect from this show.

One question re: the ep. Note that I don't pay too much attention and can't be bothered to rewind with this show, so I might be completely wrong here. But when Rick scrambled on top of the rv, it seemed like the (a) hatchet was up there. What was with that? Was he imagining that? Was it a flashback to something else? Was I imagining that?

And as has already been said, lol at him not hatcheting negan in the head when he lets Rick back into the rv and turns around.

el diablo, negan threw up the hatchet when he opened the door, it was his intent to make it land on the roof.

ToE,

Ok but then Rick was searching for the hatchet way out in the field somewhere after that?

hatchet on the roof completely confused me as well

if Negan threw it up here then Rick would have immediately run up the ladder (if it was clear to the viewer, it would have been clear to Rick). and Negan wouldn't have been pissed at him for NOT going to look for his hatchet which he appeared to be when he shot up the roof)


I think it was just a SECOND HATCHET

(honestly, probably a prop error and their photoshop license expired)

Agree

I've never read the comic but Neegan being cartoon character is what I was suspecting.

Yeah, when I saw it up there I wondered why we didn't hear it clank off the metal and why it looked like he threw it out, not up and back. and then he finds another one on the ground?


"I think it was just a SECOND HATCHET"


haha, yep, random roof hatchet. That or a metaphor for how Glenn wished he still had 2 eyes, or some other dumb crap. My money is on "oh **** we forgot we decided against the roof hatchet, take it out in post? Don't bother, the ******s watching this crap wont care."

eh, it's *possible* Negan has very supple wrists and managed to get throw that hatchet backwards/up

but it doesn't look that way, and also

1) if he threw it up on the roof, then what was the hatchet Rick found on the ground?
2) and, why did Negan want Rick to keep looking for his hatchet when he climbed up the roof?

Ricks sons hair continues to tilt the utter **** outta me

Are you guys ****ing idiots? He threw the hatchet on the roof. You even hear it clatter up there. Later, Rick has the hatchet, loses it in the melee with the zombies, and has to search for it in the grass.

Ya he dropped it when hugging it out with the zombie (the one he ran and jumped to) because of negan shooting up he roof.

I'm pretty sure you guys are just trolling

yes, I may need to rewatch for sure.

but -you're saying he jumped off the bus (onto the hung zombie) with the hatchet in his hand? or he picked up the "roof hatchet", threw it, then refound it later?

I said he did that's my recollection atleast. Kinda makes sense to drop it when you tries to hang on. But I can't for the life of me not understand how you didn't catch negan throw up the axe, are you all watching twd on cam equipment that was used to record the matrix back in -99 in cinemas ?

When Rick jumps and swings on the hanging zombie you see the axe drop down.


I didn't think it was a great episode and actually think there was a lot about it that was very sloppy and not the level of quality you expect from a show with this level of following and budget.

Way over the line for my taste. I can't say I'm looking forward to a season of this.

I may be overthinking this, but I wonder if that was done on purpose to show that Rick is starting to break/lose his nerve. He did just watch Glen get butchered as a result of Darryl lashing out.

I'd put odds on the level of gore to drop down to the normal level and it to revert to the normal Rick's group talking among themselves.

I'm amazed at the reactions to the gore. That was like the only good part of that episode.

Guy,

I thought they might be going for that as well, plus the shock of fighting through the zombies, but it still felt extra unrealistic for negan to have that level confidence at that point. Especially because of the stuff after where he still needed to get Rick to come around.

I think it's pretty clear to him he'd be signing 8 death warrants if he did. Even the attempt he made when Negan dared him seemed pretty half-hearted.

The show at its best revolves around the struggle of the characters to keep their humanity in an inhumane world. Think of probably the best ep of the show, "The Grove", the one where Carol shoots Lizzie. The tension is from the character's struggle with herself. Antagonists in previous seasons have frequently led to the survivors, Rick especially, ramping up their level of inhumanity to cope with the mounting pressure. The stakes of the show aren't really "will the characters live?" but more "will they be able to stay human while doing it?".

Now we're going to get half a season at least of the characters not being able to make any choices because they're under the sway of an all-powerful cartoon villain, plus we'll get Broken Rick who has No Humanity Left. If the characters can't or won't make meaningful choices, then the show has no stakes. Contrary to what the writers appear to think, it doesn't raise the stakes to watch the characters get brutalized even harder, or to introduce a new Super Villain Who Is A Real Badass Guys, Like Wow, Way More Hardcore Than The Governor. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see how this storyline goes anywhere good. That ep was a new low for the show in terms of the writers not understanding what makes storylines good.

Free,


Not so sure about that if he shows back up carrying negan's head!

What Freewill said. LOL at all of this nittery about Rick not fighting Negan in the RV. At least half of his crew would die because of that, if not all of them. TWD is a guilty pleasure, not an Emmy worthy masterpiece, but even so the writers would be absolute asstards to have Rick make a move there. Just watch it while drinking a beer, profit. Easy game.

I have read ahead in the graphic novels and you will definitely believe how stupid it gets from here. The show sucks. The novels suck. Still pot committed.

Has a woman ever been raped in 6 seasons? Not that I can recall.

I had a feeling within about 45 seconds of that episode starting that it was going to be directed by Greg Nicotero. Morgan is super hamming up this part, but I think there's no way he can tell how bad he is in the first 30 minutes of his character. It's an odd thing to think, but for some reason I feel like Brad Garrett would be much more effective in this character. This big dude with a giant head and skinny body is pretty off putting, as is his bat swinging "skill".

I think everyone who didn't know any spoilers had to be surprised at Glenn's death. I can't imagine anyone cared about Abraham's death. There was far too much intensity in the episode, but what were people hoping would happen in a situation like that? Yes, it was effectively torture porn, but that was kind of the point. If they had every episode go like that, this show would lose half its viewers in 3 weeks. This is the standard balls out opening, along with the balls out mid-season finale, balls out mid-season return, and balls out finale. Everything else in between should be largely about the characters.