Improvement is improvement...

Keep in mind they had to scramble and restructure a ton of stuff since the lead writer got canned mid show. They didn't do that bad under the circumstances and it was much much better. Instead of being happy or excited about that you pessimistic whiny lori's just keep trucking along with your lori'in. When you're honestly watching a show live then running to the computer to spew hate during commercials, it's time to go outside and make a friend.

I agree some of the dialog is still cringe worthy, but I thought Ricks speech was pretty darn good. It clearly showed his progression into being " darker " or more of a badass that the comic book nerds ITT keep referencing.

This has been pointed out, but if the end game is to escape, why don't they just escape? The whole zombie battle scene was completely forced, there was absolute no motivation for it unless they thought they were going to stay, yet it never really seemed like anyone but Hershel planned to stay. Not only was the scene premise itself contrived, but everything within it was too. Instances of people getting split from the group were all forced. Zombie just somehow runs faster than Suicide Girl's mom, Rick and Poorly-Cast-Carl decide to head for the barn instead of the house for no apparent reason, and Andrea-- I don't really even remember what happened there, but I'm sure it was silly and unnecessary for her to be split from the group except for that the writers needed it to happen.


You are the nut worst. There do seem to be more people who, inexplicably, think the show is actually good now, and many of them are offering up reasoning for why they think so. You on the other hand are just affirming that TWD is now pushing its way into the GOAT tier, and ridiculing those who think that, while it has improved some, the show objectively is still a huge mess.

Looks more like people think you're the 2nd nut low. If Fly is Lori then you're her unborn child.

Also if you can provide one single quote of mine where I even imply that this show is very good, much less goat material, I'll take back this comment of you being a scrotum dwelling cum dumpster who has little to no reading comprehension and is clearly an angry loser who hates his life.

A pile of **** put in the hands of a talented artist and sculpted into a 1:1 replica of Michelangelo's David still smells like a pile of ****.

It was not "much much better." Whether Darabont was canned or not, we could have expected a similar finale. Really, if you look at the situation analytically, there's no evidence that the shift in writers made it better at all-- it could have made it worse. You see, there is a set budget, and we saw Darabont save up for a finale, and we saw the new team spend his savings. If they had been in charge the entire season, there's no way to say for sure that they would have done any better. And extrapolating that they would have from the high cost final episodes is absurd.

You are aware that there are these things called "Laptops", right? And again, the show has gotten better, but so much of what would be an easy fix, and also makes much of the show cringe worthy, has received no attention.

The idea of his speech was indeed great. The idea of his character finally developing some is great. But that doesn't change the fact that the speech was all over the damn place. It was poorly written. The climax of the speech was when Rick says he killed his best friend for them. Wait, wat? Did he? Really? Cuz I don't think he did.


Also, CARL's acting is so laughable. Obv it takes a ton of talent to carry a central roll when you're like 10 years old. But bad acting is bad acting. It's like they saw a picture of the kid and just gave him the roll. His scenes remind me of Talledega Nights scene where Ricky Bobby is getting interviewd and he doesn't know what to do with his hands. "IT'S MOM" Rick, you better tell that little runt to take all that bass out his voice when he speaks to you.

Another laughable thing I noticed that hasn't been mentioned yet. Lori threatens to get out of the car "Alright, then let me out!" T-Dawg stops the car, "You turn around, or you let us out right now!" Lol, how did it suddenly become us? Why does the girl not object to this? What the ****? No one cares about CARL, Lori. Not even you apparently, Miss Negligent Parent of the Century. Why would you assume that this girl cares about your plight enough to join you and abandon the only semblance of safety she has? She was suicidal, but in the words of Andrea, "she made her choice!" So Go **** yourself.

The show isn't spectacular, but you're obviously not even paying attention.
Rick and Carl run into the barn specifically to start a fire so that the walkers will be drawn to the barn and they can escape as (and this is the dumb part) the walkers were gaining on them and probably going to over take them.
Lori and Carol stay behind in the house with Beth and the chubby lady in an effort to find Carl because Lori is a terrible mother and doesn't know where her child is with Hershel staying there, too, to help protect them (and his farm). I think Andrea was with them. When they see the fire start, Lori finally acquiesces to leaving and they make a run for one of the trucks and people get eaten.
Daryl and the others figured out that Rick and Carl must of been the ones to start the fire so they head to the barn to try and help them, which is why they are doing the completely ridiculous zombie drive-by.

Oh, and about Rick's speech. I don't think it was intentional, but I think it works best as an incoherent mess. Dude has been through a lot, especially with the Shane debacle, his son shooting him in the head, etc... I'm not going to be super put together, either. In fact, more of the characters should be falling to pieces and having complete break-downs. Maybe it's cause they've been so "safe" but dammit, people flip the **** out when bad things happen!

there really wasn't an agreed upon end game. the group may have been prepared for some walkers walking up to their front door, but they weren't remotely prepared for this. even something like 100 walkers probably could have been dealt without a coordinated defense

also, it was dark, which probably increased the difficulties of them getting on the same page

on one hand its so ridiculous that they had no contingency for the 1 thing in the world they should have had a contingency against, on the other they were probably screwed no matter what. unless they had tanks and unlimited ammo or something, which they didn't have b/c they weren't very good at scavenging

You seem to think you've made a point here, and maybe you have, but I don't see it. I will admit that a lot of the time it is hard for me to pinpoint what went wrong. Like I'm not sure if this was an editing mistake, a directing mistake, or a writing mistake. But it was at least one, and possibly a combination of two or all. Sure we could make up ways that it could make sense, but the fact is, it didn't make sense. And Rick staying down as bait made no sense either. As far as we know the walkers would have come in just the same whether he was up on the platform or if he was standing in the middle of of a gasoline puddle that he told his son to drop a lighter into.


How does the zombie drive-by have anything to do with getting Rick and Carl to safety? There was just no point to that at all. None. The kid went in the RV to get them, the rest of them drove wildly in circles wasting ammo and risking their lives for no reason.

iono, they weren't thinking clearly because it was a pretty stressful event?

Just curious, What are you expecting out of people in this situation?..... complete rational thought? that doesn't seem very real either

I am 99% sure if the group stayed at the house while Rick and Carl are in the barn and sent only RV guy to go get them you would have an issue with that too

It is easy to trash what they did while offering no solutions.... Please rewrite the scene here in a way that is better then the show did it

My only issue last episode was the Lori Rick scene felt like it went on way too long, it felt like a full 7-8 minutes, too many dramatic pauses in his talking I guess. Felt similar with the opening of S2 where he is radioing the black guy and his son. It was refreshing to be able to ignore the flaws for once with the faster pace.



Also in a trollolol world, I wish there was a way they could show scenes of Shane not being a bad guy in the eyes of everyone else as Rick was giving his speech.

Videogum is up

throwing michonne into the mix might actually turn this show around somewhat.

Herschel seyz: THE WALKING DEAD when I was your age sonny

Wait, what? I missed that. You think Rick's plan way to go to the barn and set it on fire?


The inexplicable zombie drive by starts when they see the herd, not when they see the bonfire. But again, you(and a lot of people) seem to be misunderstanding.

We all know that they did a zombie drive by. We know roughly when it happened. What people are confused by is what the motivation is for the characters to start doing that, like what was their goal?

It seems like the writers thought it was like self-evident because THEY ALL START DOING IT. So it's funny how ******ed all the characters act.

Basically, you keep on asking people to give the show the benefit of the doubt. The people making this show managed to forget how many gunshots there were at the end of episode 12 by the beginning of episode 13. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt!

videogum is awesome.

I was also wondering why they bothered to fortify the farmhouse and put supplies in the basement if, at the first sign of zombies, they just abandon it. Why not just turn out all the lights, lock the doors, and hole up in the basement until the zombies have passed?

So ****ing stupid.

Damn hipsters.

So how did they find out they were all infected in the comics?

Which leads to the metaquestion, WHY THE **** DID THEY WRITE AND FILM ALL THOSE SCENES ABOUT PREPARING LAST WEEK? If they knew that they wanted to have this episode begin with a wild unprepared night attack on their idiotic characters(lol the second this month for the group of survivors, idiots), why not just use that screen time to develop one of the two worthless characters they killed off this episode?

There's just no effort to ever develop subplots and resolve them and ****. The whole magic farm interlude seemed like it was kinda building towards something when they found Randall, like maybe it would involve that group finding them.

Except no. The farm subplot ended because a random herd of walkers came by and nobody had any ****ing idea what to do. So all the arguments about Randall and life and death and rule of law lead to nothing.

Really... they even had a line to explain that.

The basement supplies were meant for a group of maybe 25-75 zombies. Maybe send the girls/kids down there while they tried to handle it, or all just tried to hide and wait it out.

FlyWF even suggested to the group that they should turn out the lights and go inside, and Daryl stated that a horde that big was too much for that idea. As in if the zombies got any idea of them being down there via smell or sound they would be toast. 1k+ zombies will eventually break down your wooden door or will keep you in their till you're dead and you'd have zero chance of fighting your way back out.

I mean... when they even dedicated an entire piece of dialog to explain something and you just ignore it to bash the show...

get it together.

Videogum was funny, but it's better when the show is worse.

if they don't shoot all those scenes, they would've had to give t-doggggggg some lines to fill the time instead. and that's a paddlin'

**** that. One line doesn't explain anything. It's lazy writing. The hoard of zombies aren't going to break the house apart. Why would they? the smell of humans? then explain how, when back on the highway, Rick, Herschel and Carl hid from a zombie by HIDING BEHIND A CAR while the zombie shuffled by, unawares, 5 feet away.

Why didn't he smell them?

This show ****ing sucks and it's laughable you're trying to make sense of it.

This episode, once you kind of distance yourself from how sweet it was to finally see some zombies get shot, was really just as bad but in a different way.

Instead of being full of ARGUMENTS about FEELINGS, it was like a B-horror movie. Instead of being a Lifetime movie about zombies we got a SyFy Original about zombies. It was different, not better.

The acting was atrocious. The writing was, as usual, inconsistent and ****ty.

The way they shot the action scenes was ****ing amateur hour. That they used a deus ex machina off an offscreen character killing a zombie like three times in the hour was pretty typical of how tired and unimaginative the production staff is.

Like we all get that the number of shots thing is an INCREDIBLY MINOR THING to get wrong, but it's just baffling how committed to awfulness the people who make this show are. It's not like this is a story that really happened and they are trying to recreate it accurately and failing, when they were filming Shane's last scene they knew they wanted to do the "herd attracted by a gunshot" scene because they thought it looked cool.

So why did they have Shane's gun go off in the scuffle with Rick in the first place?