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10-17-2011 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I'll second that recommendation. Dead Set was brilliant dark comedy/media commentary set during a zombie outbreak. The characters are like self-destructive emotional ******s... but that's the point.

I honestly think Rick is supposed to be Jack from Lost, we're supposed to be rooting for him as he deals with all these problems like a stoic hero. Actually, wait a minute:

Rick:Jack
Rick's wife: Kate
Shane:Sawyer
The Asian Dude: The Asian Dude
The Old Guy: Locke
The Black fat guy: The Hispanic fat Guy
Daryl: Sayid

And then 3-4 annoying unnecessary supporting characters.
Also noticed a nearly identical scene when Daryl was talking to Rick about tracking. Lol at tracking people in the woods btw. Every show needs an elite tracker. At least he didn't find her I guess.
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10-17-2011 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ajmargarine
Isn't it? Or perhaps "plot hole" isn't the right phrase to describe it. Maybe, common sense hole. Part of what makes this show interesting for me is to put myself in their shoes and ask What would I be doing? And they keep doing stupid stuff that anyone who grasped their situation wouldn't be doing.
I think they actually do a pretty good job at showcasing the fact that people in extremely stressful situations do some ****ing dumb ass ****, actually. Have you ever been in, like, an emergency? It's really easy to sit back and say how you would do things differently, but the reality is you react quite differently in different situations where adrenaline causes some pretty idiotic responses.


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2.) Daryl is riding a motorcycle. Painted on the side of the tank of the 'cycle is the SS or Runic "ᛋᛋ" symbol (Schutzstaffel). This symbol is a very common Nazi/skinhead symbol. Latter on, Daryl saves the life of T-dog.
Daryl is brother to Merle who was a known racist in one episode in the first season. It's not a huge stretch to think that the bike was Merle's or that Daryl had some preconceived notions passed down by his brother/family that he is now eschewing or altering given the new predicament they're in?



Just taking this opportunity since it's been brought up a lot, but in the situation on the highway... what should they have done? I mean, running is probably much better than hiding under the cars and I get that, but... panicking and stuff and you may not react the best way possible. That's human.
I'm pretty sure the comics are supposed to be awesome and bad ass but also represent how quickly "humanity" can slide into doing some pretty ******ed and/or disgusting/"inhumane" things in the name of perseverance.
Also, we've seen before that different zombies do have different capabilities, like the ones at the department store being smart enough to use tools to try and break down the glass or the ones who were able to climb fences. Perhaps it's just "wildfire" reacting differently in different people based on their different genetic make-up.
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10-17-2011 , 09:56 PM
So many of you are missing the point. It's a god damn zombie show. You don't get nitty about ****ing zombie shows/movies.

Do you all also watch porn and go "OH, YEA RIGHT! Like a woman that hot would just start sucking the pizza guy's dick!! This is unrealistic and completely terrible!"
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10-17-2011 , 10:00 PM
Thanks to the users who posted about the ratings. didnt know.


I expect the ratings to be good for the rest of the month. I mean, Halloween is coming up so I expect it to get a solid viewing yet again.
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10-17-2011 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by seat_empty
So many of you are missing the point. It's a god damn zombie show. You don't get nitty about ****ing zombie shows/movies.

Do you all also watch porn and go "OH, YEA RIGHT! Like a woman that hot would just start sucking the pizza guy's dick!! This is unrealistic and completely terrible!"
if it was an actual zombie show i might agree. instead it's a ******ed drama with a few zombies thrown in.
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10-17-2011 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Phildo
if it was an actual zombie show i might agree. instead it's a ******ed drama with a few zombies thrown in.
Touché. Still dumb for people to get nitty about the plot though.
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10-17-2011 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by seat_empty
Touché. Still dumb for people to get nitty about the plot though.
nope. you open yourself up to nittary when you give it its own aftershow, and clowns claim it to be the best show on tv.
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10-17-2011 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ajmargarine
One oddity that I don't think was mentioned yet was when they got to the church, there were 3 zombies sitting in the pews all peaceful and quiet. I thought at first we were going to learn something about the zombies that we didn't know before (basically all we ever see them do is shuffling around or feeding); but no, they bashed their heads in.
haha, i forgot about this. i felt the same. i thought maybe one rang the bell to lure people or something.

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1.) Rick starts the episode with a monologue where he specifically states "we've got to stick together" and then promptly splits up from the girl whom he subsequently loses.
best part here was his plan to get the zombies to split up. stand in one spot basically. of course only one will jump into the water. the more i think about each aspect of the show, the more i think everything is reverse written. they know an outcome they want (in this case, losing the child) and then piece stuff together that makes it work. here they needed rick to lose the girl to get the mom pissed but do so in a way that rick's wife would be able to have her little "stop being a bitch" speech.
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10-17-2011 , 11:09 PM
Zombies sitting in pews kinda makes sense if the zombies retain memories of their previous lives
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10-17-2011 , 11:16 PM
true, i forgot about that.
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10-17-2011 , 11:17 PM
I'm afraid this show is going to suffer from repetitiveness pretty quickly. It's become relegated to, we travel a little bit, then how will we set up the next contrivance of being in danger from the zombies. I really hope they have some kind of plan in mind, because if the entire show is just, "how do we avoid being eaten today?" it's going to get old fast.
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10-17-2011 , 11:53 PM
Why are there so many posts ITT already? Wasn't aware that many 2+2ers were going to watch this.
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10-17-2011 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LondonBroil
Will probably watch the entire season even if it gets (or stays technically) "last 4 episodes of season 2 lolbad" only because it's zombies. I reserve the right to complain about how much the show sucks ITT though.
*sigh*
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10-17-2011 , 11:57 PM
Just read this. Not sure if it's true but if it is explains a lot of why the first episode sucked horribly. They didn't have the money to do anything but stay at the one set that was a pile of cars

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Uh yeah, about that...the guy that wrote this half of the season, Frank Darabont, has been fired.

Even though The Walking Dead proved to be a hit – and it is the only series that AMC owns completely – the network had already announced to the producers that they would not only be cutting the budget of the series from $3.4 million to $2.7 million, but that they would also want 13 episodes produced instead of 6 episodes that made up its first season. To make matters worse, AMC also told the producers that the 30% tax credit that the series receives from filming in Georgia would go directly to the network, and not make up for some of the money that was taken out of the production budget.

With the head of original programming for AMC, Joel Stillerman, sticking to the cut budget, the network than began to overstep their bounds and attempt to tell Darabont how to produce the series.

Instead of long, sprawling outdoor scenes, the network wanted the second season of The Walking Dead to occur 50% outdoors and 50% indoors (indoors being cheaper to film). Another note asked whether or not the audience had to always see the zombies – couldn’t they simply hear them sometimes.

Even with record ratings on their side, Darabont would repeatedly enter meetings with Stillerman where he would simply say, “Ratings have no bearing on this conversation.”
They got half a million less and are supposed to do more than double the episodes. Even though the show was a massive hit?

WTF?

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10-18-2011 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Just read this. Not sure if it's true but if it is explains a lot of why the first episode sucked horribly. They didn't have the money to do anything but stay at the one set that was a pile of cars
It does not. The way this was written, a thousand sets could not have helped

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They got half a million less and are supposed to do more than double the episodes. Even though the show was a massive hit?

WTF?
Indeed, this was heavily discussed when it actually happened.

Dormant troll accounts are funny.
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10-18-2011 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LondonBroil
Why are there so many posts ITT already? Wasn't aware that many 2+2ers were going to watch this.
It was the biggest season premiere in cable history, everyone watched it. Plus, 2p2 has a hard on for Breaking Bad and to a lesser extent Mad Men and Walking Dead is on the same network. Plus, this forum is like mostly younger males and that demographic loves zombies.
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10-18-2011 , 01:48 AM
wow did that episode suck....was thinking "i am done with this show" then the final scene happens and they suck me in for at least one more.
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10-18-2011 , 02:52 AM
Rick telling a 12 year old girl to wander around in the forest instead of staying in her hiding spot for him to come back was pretty lol I thought. Gotta create drama, I suppose.

Somebody mentioned this earlier, but there's a chance that the zombies can't smell human flesh and that hiding under the cars wasn't a plot inconsistency. As I recall they covered themselves in zombie flesh to look and smell like zombies so that they could get from point A to point B without being attacked by the horde. That doesn't mean that the zombies can necessarily smell human flesh. If they did at some other point in the first season I don't remember it.

I don't think the crossbow guy and the black guy putting dead zombies over top of them changes any of that. They probably think that if they laid on the ground in plain sight that the zombies would easily spot and kill them, and I don't blame them for thinking that. My reaction in that situation would probably be the same.

Still think the episode was pretty disappointing though for a lot of the reasons already mentioned. I still have no idea what they were thinking with all of the dead people in traffic. When did I switch over to the Happening? Ugh.
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10-18-2011 , 03:11 AM
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Anyway, more nitpicking: I'm now convinced that there seriously was some other, unrelated disaster. That's the only thing that explains that random traffic jam. Look it how the cars are just kinda scattered on both sides of the interstate. That whole scene was like, reverse engineered from the idea that it would be cool to have a "hiding under cars" scene.
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Still doesn't explain why the cars are scattered everywhere and like overturned. I'm holding out hope for an epic plot twist that there is a second apocalypse thing going around. Maybe an alien death ray attack?
I had that same question about the first season

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Anyway, my nit with the show (and really, all zombie lore) - the settings never fit the story. Why does every car (and many buildings) on the planet look so burned? Who is blowing up all the cars in zombie movies? The zombies obviously aren't capable of doing it. I can understand some places getting the warzone look if a battle happened there, but the military clearly didn't get all that much work done fighting the zombies and yet everywhere you look, overturned cars looking like they got blown up. gmafb.
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Wow.

But what about next week?
Prob continues strong, AMC must be loving this ****. Nobody watches two of the best shows of the last decade (MM/BB), this show is total **** and people ****ing love it.

For no apparent reason, because it's terrible.

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wow did that episode suck....was thinking "i am done with this show" then the final scene happens and they suck me in for at least one more.
The preview for next week looked pretty bad though (preview spoilers)

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I wasn't watching that closely really, but Rick carrying his son everywhere and people handwringing OMG IS CARL GOING TO MAKE IT...all this **** just looks stupid




I think my biggest problem with this show is that every time someone opens their mouth, I get turned off. Blonde chick whining about suicide being her choice? I don't care, shut the **** up. Rick wants to have a nice little conversation with Jesus? **** off. None of these people are remotely likeable.
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10-18-2011 , 04:09 AM
I think the characters will become more likeable when they enter their full blown survival mode and abandon all the pussyness. I agree that Daryl is the only likeable character so far, but Rick, Glenn and Andrea have potential too.
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10-18-2011 , 05:06 AM
These muther****ers need to get on the next shuttle bus portal to Terra Nova. Spice both these shows up. Zombie dinosaurs raaarrrrr!!!
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10-18-2011 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Thingyman
Have people here seen Dead Set? If not, I recommend it. It's a UK zombie miniseries that primarily takes place on the set of a fictional Big Brother season.
Thats for the recommendation. Actually pretty darn good.
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10-18-2011 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Just read this. Not sure if it's true but if it is explains a lot of why the first episode sucked horribly. They didn't have the money to do anything but stay at the one set that was a pile of cars



They got half a million less and are supposed to do more than double the episodes. Even though the show was a massive hit?

WTF?
Yeah, AMC are complete ******s carving huge chunks out of the budget of their biggest show last year (which is now the biggest cable show of the 21st century, lol jfc).

This is a good example of why we get good TV so rarely. While that budget may not have helped TWD, the concept of just making TV as cheaply as possible regardless of how popular it is really terrible for viewers.
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10-18-2011 , 08:47 AM
i must just be a sucker for zombies because i think its amazing haha

edit: not that i dont think it could be way better.
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10-18-2011 , 08:59 AM
I saw someone's post a page or two back where they talked about how AMC was forced to lower the budget for Season 2. I kept thinking of that when everyone was under the cars, since that way they could convey that zombies were there, but didn't have to do full on zombie make-up for each one. I'm sure we'll get more of the same as the season rolls on. Who knows - maybe they'll even use the old Three Stooges trick of mixing in previously shot footage?
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