1) Is the "blue roses" thing a reference to something in the original show or FWWM? I assume that it means something along the lines of what seems to happening (that the "Coop" they have in a prison cell is actually Bob-infested Coop from the black lodge), as the good Coop was given the clue about those words earlier in the black lodge and now Cole/Rosenfield referenced the same words. But anyway I was just wondering if the specific words "blue roses" are supposed to mean something to us as viewers

2) What's the deal with Dougie-Coop? What I thought was happening is that Bob-Coop was released to the real world and the good Coop has been trapped in the black lodge waiting for him to return. But wtf is this third one? The one-armed man said something about him being a replacement or something but I'm just completely baffled what his deal was/is. If anyone could give me their best guess about what's going on with all the Coops I'd be grateful

1) Blue Rose was (if I remember correctly) a top-secret government program that Major Briggs was involved with in the original series. You see Brigg's big face float across the screen, mouthing "Blue Rose" during Cooper's travels back to the real world. He won't be back for this season because the actor, Don Davis, is dead. Major Briggs is also Bobby's Brigg's father. We never got an explanation on what Blue Rose might be, except that it might have something to do with extra-terrestrials and/or The Black Lodge.

This is all from memory, because I haven't seen season 2 in a few years, so don't hate me if I got something wrong!

2) As as I can gather, Dougie is a Cooper lookalike who is into nasty stuff - he has bad guys wanting to kill him, right? But it looks like The Black Lodge is giving him (Coop) the means (slot machine jackpots) to pay off the bad guys - Naomi Watts even says that when she sees the money.

As to why Dougie looks like Cooper, you got me!

3. I'm interested in the apparition/demon in the glass box that kills Tracy and the Young Man. Did their sex "call" the demon, or was its appearance a coincidence?

Bob Coop, or someone on Bob Coop's "side," somehow created Dougie-Coop for the purpose of taking Bob Coop's place in the Black Lodge when the time came for Coop to exit the Black Lodge. Black Lodge is all about dichotomy, so for Coop to leave someone has to take his place. Bob Coop created Dougie-Coop for that purpose (Mike even tells Dougie-Coop something like "You were manufactured for a purpose that's been fulfilled"). Coop was supposed to leave the Black Lodge through the lighter slot in Bob Coop's car, but Bad Coop stopped it (even though he still vomited). So instead Coop went to Dougie, and Dougie went to Black Lodge. Going back to the dichotomy, there can only be one Coop in the "real world" (Mike says this as well: there can only be one). Bob Coop knows this, so Bob Coop or the Bob Coop powers-that-be hire the killers to kill Coop after he returns, thus keeping the dichotomy in place.

the 3 coop theory outlined by Porter seemed obvious the first time thru

Michael Cera was terrible. Was hoping a street light would fall over and impale him

1) Thanks, got it! Major Briggs was such a cool character, too bad he passed away and couldn't make a proper appearance. Bobby also said that bad Coop (who they thought was normal Coop, obv) went to see Major Briggs before disappearing, so all of this makes a lot of sense. Btw didn't Bobby say that the major died in a fire? Or some kind of accident at least? So it's probably safe to assume that Bad Coop went to him for some kind of information about the blue roses thing (my wild guess would be that it has something to do with him being able to replace Coop in the real world forever), and then killed him.

3) I originally wondered about the "calling the demon" theory as well, but I thought this was overruled in what I think was ep3 when they showed the time loop? Cooper emerged from the box just before they entered the room so it seems that the timing was entirely coincidental. I would need to rewatch but also didn't the slicing thing that killed the couple kinda look like the arm from the black lodge? If I were forced to make a wild guess about all that, my interpretation would be that the two on the couch ended up as victims completely randomly, and that the killer was something from inside the lodge that was trying to snatch Coop back in / kill him for getting out. This would make some sense to me since it seems there's a certain imbalance in the lodge now with the amount of Coops as the transition seemed to somehow go a little bit wrong (both good Coop and Dougie malfunctioning and both bad Coop and Dougie vomiting?). Would def need to rewatch though.

If you are referring the gunmen in Vegas I thought they were probably after Dougie, not the real Coop, because Dougie owed someone money as indicated by Naomi Watts saying they could pay it back when she saw the winnings

I've heard some chatter that "Good Coop" is not actually back in reality, but in a form of purgatory....

Loved Duchovny, F the haters

1. I've re-watched the series and then FWWM and then the Missing Pieces the last couple of months so my memory is pretty fresh and Blue Rose I clearly remember as these special Gordon Cole Blue Rose murder cases where the known ones all seem to be connected to Bob or the Black Lodge.

The Theresa Banks murder that the Chris Isaak FBI agent goes to investigate is a Blue Rose case and they're informed that it is such by a female agent or medium that Cole hooks them up with through her sign language. Now that I think about it I think that she even show them a blue rose.

Both Cooper and Chris Isaac refuse to tell Sutherland's FBI character (Stanley) what a Blue Rose case is and just to finish this thread, very early in season 1 when Cooper request Albert coming to Twin Peaks assisting the case he actually mentions that he doesn't want Stanley who he doesn't trust (I think that's what he said).

And very randomly, probably meaningless, I noticed that in FWWM or Missing Pieces Agent Stanley has this office or study where he builds weird machines and electronic constructions to solve cases and whatever Bad Cooper and/or whoever is responsible for the empty glass box is up to and their unpossible means to achieve it made me suddenly remember that but it's probably just Lynch really liking designing these enigmatic devices and that's why a number of certain characters and places have them...



Oh and maybe agent Jeffries (the David Bowie FBI agent) also disappeared during a Blue Rose case, he already seems to be important to one or more plots, and then of course there is Laura Palmer.

Major Briggs I believe however worked on the secret Project Blue Book or some weird connection to that.

To continue with the color blue, I thought this was funny, I was listening to some podcasts or parts of them and one of them quoted one of the directors in season 2, James Foley, from a book about the production of Twin Peaks, who at some point in some scene wanted one of the actors to be equipped with a BLUE suitcase but was told by the set-people that they had been instructed by Lynch way earlier that under no circumstances could anything with the color blue be used. The color blue had been banned by Lynch.

Of course the final (?) scene in part 4 with Gordon Cole and Albert where everything is strikingly blue, both what we hear Cole talking about and what we see, very much made me think of this.

There does seem to be something off with some of the places or people where "Dougie" is at.

One thing that I noticed was Cooper in the limo spotting the Sycamore street sign.

Sycamore trees of course are everywhere in the Twin Peaks mythology.

There are seemingly endless connections and threads when it comes to the woods and these trees and the log but what was fresh in my mind from watching FWWM and the final episodes recently was the great Jimmy Scott character in the Black Lodge singing the Lynch song Sycamore Trees.



Then when you google something like Sycomore trees mythology, quickly things like this comes up:

So yeah there is sort of both some Hawk heritage and Black Lodge stuff relations there but more loosely perhaps, for me, it was just seeing that particular Sycamore street sign coupled with this emerging theory that not just Dougie is manufactured and Cooper is somewhere purgatory or with something or people not quite real-bound but who knows. It could also be a way less concrete situation and that the sign is simply more of a sign basically that he isn't quite out of the woods yet.

That was also my instinctive impression. There was something about the way the woman without her eyes moved her arms and the similar sound they made when she was waving them frantically with Cooper that immediately made me flashback to the slaughter of the couple.

Kyle Maclachlan is getting a lot of love and not undeserving mind you.

As Mr. C I liked him best during the face-off with his old friends from the FBI and him eerily trying to impersonate the good Cooper that we know and love. His expressions and not least his voice was great and from somewhere very deep, dark and twisted.

I also liked his overheated Leland/Bob face when racing against time, coordinates, a lost highway or whatever it was before crashing his car.

Overall though I'm still kind of settling on Mr. C... It's definitely not bad and I'm sensing the evolution of this fascinating character (with Cooper and I guess Bob elements) and what he is now but when it comes to Lynch the track record of gruesome characters are unparalleled and if Mr. C. is the main malevolent force I'm not quite there with him at unease.

We have Bob, Robert Blake, The Phantom, FRANK BOOTH (without helium sadly), Bobby Peru, Leland and various Mulholland entities... Very scary company... very high standards. I'm not quite there with Bad Cooper yet.

Of course if it was many years ago and some emotional bond with Special Agent Dale Cooper was stronger, which it probably is for many still, and seeing him like this, doing these things, maybe that would do the trick. Obviously it did just that with the infamous series ending.


Grew to love Mr. Jackpots for sure. While I'm still settling on evil Maclachlan there is something about wonderfully weird Maclachlan that Lynch bring out again and again.

The chicken walk in Blue Velvet, countless Cooper moments in the series and here the HELLLLOOOOO highlight and his tie and coffee antics at Dougie's.

Randomly I also have to input that it hit me the last time watching Blue Velvet that both Maclachlan and Laura Dern (maybe Dern especially for Lynch) have distinct David Lynch faces. They really do look like him! Maybe especially his younger self.

- also really liked the music when Mr. C first arrives by car.

- always love the Lynch crime gangs and the upper tier of those always doing various of obscure plotting.

Actually the Ray character who stood up to evil Cooper didn't make the strongest early impression but hopefully there is more to come. The rest do have Blue Velvet or Wild at Heart gang potential if things really get going.

Jennifer Jason Leigh is an all time favorite and I hope to see a lot more from her. She could really bring Bad Cooper's company to the next level.

- music and sound? When I rewatched the original series the last time, as classic as the music is, it really did get to a point where I felt it got overused bordering on cheap-ish AT TIMES, so I don't miss it being there all the time unlike some people it seems but yes it was all the feels and a fantastic highlight when it first hit with intro in part 1 and later Bobby seeing Laura's picture was very much a classic Twin Peaks moment that you can't hate on. Totally in the spirit of season one.

I watched it with headpones on and it's a looong time since I've seen Eraserhead but also with the sound design I was a little bit reminded of that.

Standout sound moments was Cooper's journey in time and space in part 3. That was fantastic on headphones.

The ending music is somehow 3/3 for me. I've really liked everything!

- but I do hope there is some way to sometimes find episodic tv series endings which can be really good and maybe needed but it is clear that this really is one long movie.

The seamless end of part 2 was totally fine for an example and one of my favorite moments so far.

The short James and Shelly moment had all these layers whether meta in a smart or fun way or genuinely touching in the best nostalgic way.

These old characters have so much baggage and there is a lot of potential there.

- I liked the young couple and the glass box, their scenes in that great gloomy building contrasting the epic NY skyline shot, their acting, very Lynchian and the second time that I watched I got different vibes from them than the first time. I liked them! Too bad they had to go.

- Enjoyed the whole South Dakato murder story. The cops were great and so was the big woman and her small dog. Funny and bizarre. The put together corpse was like one of those sinister paintings that we all know...

Mr. C has a thing where he shoots people in the eye which I believe is also what Hero Cooper exhibits at the shooting range in the original series.

Matthew Lillard is also getting a lot of credit. He is one of those actors I've seen in so many things, big and small, and I dunno, sometimes he just doesn't seem real, more like a part, and maybe that's for the best here. Who knows. Right now his predicament in the cell reminds me of Lost Highway so maybe something could still happen there?

Mr. C is clearly involved. Kills Hastings wife, downloads the prison (or wait, was that the prison where he himself is at now?) and want info from the secretary. He has plans for sure and then there was the entity in the nearby cell who does look like one of the Black Lodge beings we see in FWWM and the Missing Pieces.

Has he done something there earlier in history (Dakota is where early FWWM takes place) or now possessing Hastings?

- Great to see Leland! I can't really speculate about Mr C and his phonecall with the person saying he was Agent Jeffries (Bowie) which I've seen some say that it clearly wasn't. How do you know that? Different voice? Some have said Albert!? But wow seeing Leland and the "So I can be with Bob again" line during the phonecall made me wildly think of a Leland comeback as the main monster. As Bob! Another evolution of a Black Lodge being. It would go against his ending in the series I guess?

I don't even remember if this was the first time we ever see Leland in the lodge and if it was the first time, was it the first time with his non white hair?

-It's a fine line with the humor so far tightly balancing fun or not. I almost never found Andy and Lucy funny when rewatching the series the last time. Apart from Andy during famous moments in Lynch episodes, but here so far it has just about hit home.

Lucy have now truly become a moron and the phone part where she faints was just such a wtf is this **** moment and then you realize how unbelievably silly it is that it was kinda funny.

The bunny bit also just about worked and I loved the Wally Brando scene.

Forster it is clear will be a gift to the show and I hope there is somehow more Wally Brando!

I've seen some suggest that they now think that Dick not Andy is indeed Wally's father.

- the woman with a kid going 1-1-9! in the house on the street where Dougie is having his affair remindmed, and I guess the whole street with its houses does in a way, of some of the women in Inland Empire. Stuck, placed, existing in these houses unclear what they are.

- 3 am and pm seems important. The strange time piece or what that design happens to be in the place that Cooper fell into switched between the number (the time?) 15 and 3 as the women in the room there switched also (from no eyes to Ronnette actress). Obviously (?) it seemed like the time that he could leave and I'm only mentioning it because just today watching the Missing Pieces scene at the very end where Annie is in the hospital with the Owl Cave Ring the time is also nearing 3 and a nurse takes the ring away from her.

So yeah... that's what came to mind right now. This feels more than long enough!

Didn't even talk much about the Lodge stuff, which does feel different in ways that I can't quite put my finger on yet, but I will say that the very Lynchian effects and design felt even more just-right on second watch and again, especially the opening, was it almost 30 minutes of part 3, was just amazing. I love part 3. It must be up there with the best television that I've ever watched where of course I also count the Lynch episodes from the original run. On re-watch perhaps especially those in early season 2. Holy **** those were incredible. This part 3 here this time was just totally unique and heroic.