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08-30-2017 , 12:37 PM
So I think the implication is that even while he's been fumbling around as "Dougie", Coop was still in there somewhere processing things like the normal Coop. He just needed something (electricity apparently?) to snap him back to Coop physically.

It looked like he pulled some hair and gave it to the one armed man. Yes, this is most likely the seed (or the hair combined with the pearl thing he left behind when he fizzled out of existence in the lodge) to manufacture another Dougie Jones/tulpa for Janey-E and Sonny Jim...hopefully one that is not as much of a dbag as the previous Dougie seemed to be.

Diane has been a tulpa the whole time we've seen her. Her "I'm not me! I'm in the sheriff's station!" could link her to the eyeless woman that is in the Twin Peaks jail. That character is credited as Naido...which is eerily close to Diane backwards. So a theory is she's the real Diane. Agreed that ":-) ALL" meant kill them all.

I think both of those are right about Audrey, but still trying to figure out what's really going on there. Pumped for the last 2 parts this Sunday.
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08-30-2017 , 04:36 PM
Since this is called The Return Season 1, do we have hope there will be a season 2??
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08-30-2017 , 10:47 PM
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What I'm confused about is that Coop knows who Janey and Sonny Jim are.
Even though repressed he seems to have been fully aware and able to retain memories of what he did/saw while functioning as Dougie.

Also there's a reasonable chance Cooper was already aware of Dougie and his position with Janey-E and Sonny Jim before going through the socket. He was able to view Mr. C driving from the Red Room, so he may have also been able to observed/know every other action of Mr. C and other things going on while he was trapped, which would explain why he seemed to already know who Richard was when talking to the Fireman in Ep 1.

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He knows that Dougie's boss has a gun.
He could have glimpsed that at any time while as Dougie. In any case I think that was mostly just meant to demonstrate that he still has his full FBI skills.

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What does he pull from his head and give to the One Armed Man?
A small lock of his own hair.

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I assume the "seed" he's talking about is to grow another Dougie so that he can return to his family...
Yes I thought that was what was implied. Cooper himself isn't going to end up with them.

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I assume that ":-) all" meant kill them all?
My take was that she seemed to be newly remembering and emotionally responding to the rape immediately after receiving the text, so the "all" was a trigger by Mr. C to remove a block he had placed on some of the tulpa's memories of what happened to the real Diane. She was also able to remember and send Mr. C the full set of coordinates, the last part of which I think was previously blocked in her memory (and had appeared blurred in her view of the arm photo).

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I assume Audrey has been in a coma and in her dream world since the bank explosion?
Whatever is going on with Audrey she doesn't seem to be in a normal coma. I think it's more likely she was likely trapped somewhere lodge-like by Mr. C after he raped her.

Most of what we are seeing may also somehow be the experiences of a tulpa Audrey created by Mr. C since she and Diane had similar experiences with him, and (I think?) Audrey also said something to Charlie about not feeling like herself echoing what tulpa Diane said.

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08-30-2017 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Since this is called The Return Season 1, do we have hope there will be a season 2??
Seems unlikely since it looks like every plot line is about to converge in Twin Peaks in the finale (I think Mr. C is looking for the Mother/Experiment which is possessing Sarah).

Also the title of the new Frost book doesn't make another season seem promising : (

I am still holding out hope for another movie of some kind.
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08-31-2017 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Since this is called The Return Season 1, do we have hope there will be a season 2??
My guess is Lynch/Frost end it in the finale.

President of Showtime, David Nevins was on Andy Greenwald's podcast - https://www.theringer.com/2017/8/24/...-peaks-podcast

He said the ratings were lower than most of their shows but the subscriber increase linked to Twin Peaks was much higher so they might be willing to do more episodes.
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09-03-2017 , 11:45 PM
No posts on the night of the finale? I gave up on this season as clearly many people did
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09-04-2017 , 12:00 AM
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No posts on the night of the finale? I gave up on this season as clearly many people did
This thread is typically dead the night of, check back in a day or two
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09-04-2017 , 12:49 AM
I had to stay up for it.

Spoiler:
If I start writing about the seemingly endless layers and rabbit holes following this ending and its details whether they are Twin Peaks mythology or various meta or Lynch as auteur, it will take far too long and how to even stop myself... Well, sort similar to the season 2 ending, but probably more so, even with some resolutions offered this time around, if you're really into the universe (not least, including FWWM) this ending had things to potentially wonder about for another 25 years... Some will like that. Others can get frustrated.

In the end, for me, it was a brilliant mindblowing (quite different) final two parts and they actually managed to erase my only lurking doubts about this season, which I expressed following the opening parts, about all the things that we were explained and shown in ways and great detail (as fascinating as these details and mythology were), arguably explained even, like no other Lynch movies.

Part 18 put those worries away (earlier while watching I was feeling very up and down, up and down, with the Laura, Cooper, old TP, FWWM scenes though the culmination was 100 percent brilliance) and in the end (Chalfont/Tremond for the TP Mythology layer, the latest Richard if you consider the previous or how about the Palmer's house's IRL resident coming into play for one crazy piece of meta-layer!) the final part elements lifted the whole thing to that place of unique surreal wonder, emotionally and/or intuitively where I love to be after a David Lynch film experience. Most specifically after Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire. I'm fully captivated. As a Lynch fan that's simply as good as it gets and no other filmmaker does the same.

What a fantastic 18 hour film experience this has been!


Now I can't wait to watch this on blu-ray eventually.

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09-04-2017 , 01:06 AM
we got like 1 hour of audrey scenes that were completely worthless this season lol
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09-04-2017 , 01:25 AM
I'd like to leave it at the wonder of it all which culminated with her in the road house and then something somewhere in part 16.



but
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I'm sure there many many dots to connect for those inclined with her and Charlie's conversations, the people in that certain Road House booth talking similar people and themes, the added layer that gave it tension over what had been tedious when Charlie talked about ending her story and that story about the little girl down down the way (which has some Inland Empire connections also) which the brain-tree ARM then also specifically mentioned to Cooper tonight (before or after what exactly I'd have to re-watch to have any certainty about right now lol).


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Also, just saw someone on twitter connect Laura as Carrie Page with the one final STILL missing page from her diary

edit: "carry page"!

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09-04-2017 , 01:57 AM
LOL at anyone expecting resolution with David Lynch.

My GF and me loved this like nothing else.
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09-04-2017 , 02:32 AM
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Finding out that before it turned into the number 8, what Jeffries showed Cooper was the good ole Owl Cave symbol.

Here is some TP lore-gasm then:

http://imgur.com/5H2foSt

I'm also thinking about all the garmonbozia/creamed corn Mrs Tremond/Chalfont grandson had collected(?) in the original series, when Donna I think it is come across them delivering meals.

They're also interesting in FWWM and show up at the motel (which has also show up in the Return but surely it wasn't the same yet again here for the ending?) where Leland discover that it's Ronette and Laura that he has paid extra for.

+ other times. They've always been very mysterious to me and I've never come across much certainty about them.

Deja vu for Cooper trying to find Agent Desmond in FWWM:

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COOPER: What was here, Mr. Rodd?
CARL: A trailer was here. What the hell do you think?
COOPER: Can you tell me whose trailer it was... and who stayed in the trailer?
CARL: An old woman and her grandson.
COOPER: Can you tell me what their names were?
CARL: Chalfont. Weird. Chalfont was the name of the folks that rented the space before they did. Two Chalfonts
- also just remembering that we're seeing the doing something... leaving? When Cooper and the one armed man enters the zone with Jeffries. That's probably important. I've seen some images connecting him to Sara Palmer and the dark behind her face constrasting with the light behind Laura's.

So many things phew:




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09-04-2017 , 03:16 AM
So was that the City on the Edge of Forever violation of the space-time continuum? Cooper rescues LP from her death thus butterflying the entire TP universe?

No Audrey resolution?? Sad!!
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09-04-2017 , 12:08 PM
yeah, wasn't expecting everything to be wrapped up nice and tight, but disappointed with no Audrey.
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09-04-2017 , 12:08 PM
That was worth waiting 25 years for.
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09-04-2017 , 12:35 PM
Just for fun according to internet Twin Peaks geniuses (not the showmakers), the parts of Twin Peaks that mentions "Richard and Linda, 430" supposedly reference a song called "For shame of doing wrong" by Richard and Lina Thompson that runs 4:30 minutes
https://twitter.com/yahooleaks/statu...98075526909952

lyrics
"It seems like a lifetime since I saw you
Lover lover I've been away too long
When I see lovers holding hands and sighing
I hang my head for shame of doing wrong

Bus wheels spinning, song birds singing break my heart
Take me back to old remembered days
Remind me of the times we spent together
Times before we went our separate ways

I wish I was a fool for you again...."

Lol maybe ...
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09-04-2017 , 01:14 PM
The only thing I didn't really like and didn't work for me was Eddie with the Super Green Hand. that REALLY came out of left field - and not in a good, David Lynch way.
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09-04-2017 , 01:52 PM
I'm sure most will find the straightforward symbolisms and breadcrumbs but here are a couple things I noticed in ep 18 that may have been intentional. Behind the Judy cafe when Coop is searching for Laura there are Maersk shipping containers, the first boat to have the logo was the steamship Laura. Obviously he was going to stop in just from the fact it was Judys cafe with a big coffee sign anyway.

There seems to be some controversy over what year it is and I just assumed it was 2017ish due to the way Laura looked. I'm sure people can confirm year from makes and models of vehicles in view while driving and the Valero retail brand gas stations I don't think we're around before 2000 so that sets it well past the original series as well as gas being near $3 however I'm not sure what regular prices have been on the route they took and I imagine the stop/filling would be midway to Washington on the west coast.

Rewinding a bit, could the 430 mile mark have been the site of the original trinity explosion? That was the first thing that hit me when viewing but I don't know if that lines up with TP reality. But my mind did connect that because to make a fundamental shift to the TP world it seems to make sense to go to the original point we saw the evil being spit out eggs and stuff. Again knowing the year of the vehicle that Coop and Diane were in might shed light that they went from the 1950s to present at the 430 mark.

I think a lot of people could be right that no s4 is planned but I could see them changing that but I'm pretty certain that wasn't the original plan as others have stated. I did think a movie to follow this up based on the new FBI agent was in the realm of possibilities since that wouldn't require many of the original cast who would be hard to lock down again or have passed.
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09-04-2017 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
The only thing I didn't really like and didn't work for me was Eddie with the Super Green Hand. that REALLY came out of left field - and not in a good, David Lynch way.
But how then to handle Bob?
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09-04-2017 , 02:22 PM
As Cooper found out, punching out Bob - even with a powerful green fist - did not destroy the evil that is Bob.
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09-04-2017 , 05:28 PM
Interesting take from someone who paid far better attention than me

http://screenrant.com/twin-peaks-sea...ing-explained/
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09-04-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlogist
Just for fun according to internet Twin Peaks geniuses (not the showmakers), the parts of Twin Peaks that mentions "Richard and Linda, 430" supposedly reference a song called "For shame of doing wrong" by Richard and Lina Thompson that runs 4:30 minutes
https://twitter.com/yahooleaks/statu...98075526909952

lyrics
"It seems like a lifetime since I saw you
Lover lover I've been away too long
When I see lovers holding hands and sighing
I hang my head for shame of doing wrong

Bus wheels spinning, song birds singing break my heart
Take me back to old remembered days
Remind me of the times we spent together
Times before we went our separate ways

I wish I was a fool for you again...."

Lol maybe ...
Yeah that seems like inspiration.

Some very telling lyrics within the show also.

Chromatics "Shadows" has elements of the last bits. From Cooper, Diane (Richard, Linda), Laura to even Sara earlier stabbing the picture in a frame.

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At night I'm driving in your car
Pretending that we'll leave this town
We're watching all the street lights fade
And now you're just a stranger's dream
I took your picture from the frame
And now you're nothing like you seem
Your shadow fell like last night's rain

For the last time
For the last time
For the last time
For the last time

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09-04-2017 , 05:56 PM
The giant mentions Richard and Linda in the first episode
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09-04-2017 , 06:00 PM
Have to talk about Judy, now Jowdai...

In early FWWM script she was Josie's Chinese sister.

During this season, the actress playing Josie (who we actually see in these final parts) even published a very meta letter adressed to Lynch adressing this situation.

And something in Chinese:





A reddit (hot) take:

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交代, that is "jiāo dài", is Chinese meaning 'to explain'. The ultimate negative force is explanation. Lynch's life philosophy.
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A Lynch quote which I think sums up this very Lynch ending (kind of new beginning). Maybe 17 was more Frost's ending, but directed by Lynch of course:

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Interviewer:

There's a sense at the end of your films, in the redemptive power of fantasy, of imagination itself, there is a not childish, but maybe childlike sense, that you want to imagine or see something brand new, that the possibilities of imagination are what save you

DL:

Yeah, it's tough again, to talk about some general thing, but I guess for myself I believe in this force of evolution, being in darkness and confusion is interesting to me. But behind it you can rise out of that and see things the way the really are. That there is some sort of truth to the whole thing, if you could just get to that point where you could see it, and live it, and feel it ... I think it is a long, long, way off. In the meantime there's suffering and darkness and confusion and absurdities, and it's people kind of going in circles. It's fantastic. It's like a strange carnival: it's a lot of fun, but it's a lot of pain

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09-04-2017 , 06:52 PM
I thought I was ok with the show going but after that ending I really want it to come back. Was blown away all season and now re-watching.
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