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S4e6 finale. I'm glad they provided some sort of a solution to the murder mysteries but the episode was kind of a mess.

Maybe I missed things but what didn't make sense to me was:

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02-19-2024 , 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by g-bebe

SPOILERS in case you haven't seen the finale. Kind of forgotten what the spoiler policy was in TV threads here.

I need to rewatch S1-S3 to really place S4. It's probably wedged around S2 but I liked S2 more than the general public (and based on initial above posts I'd say I enjoyed S4 more than the rest, too).

Final two episodes were the strongest of the six, which helps it stick the landing more.

While the show opens with the Tsalal murders, the season was much more about solving Anne's murder so in that sense I think it gave a stronger conclusion to the story.

The finale closed out loose ends to this season way better than I was expecting, but there were a couple that I missed the answers to, maybe:
- The former Tsalal member who was at the nomad camp, Oliver Tabaq, disappeared and they kind of just ignored it?
- When they finally revealed that Navarro was the one who shot Wheeler, a baby cried in the other room. Who would the baby be?
- How did Anne's tongue get into the Tsalal station? Did Hank put it there, and why would he? It was literally the piece of evidence that linked the two cases for them.
- The whole show opener of elk running off the end of a cliff just helping push the narrative that crazy things happen in the days of night, so we can handwave a lot of these things to supernatural forces/Anne's presence?
- Navarro's connection to spirits is not really wrapped up either. Did she walk out into the sea at the end and was it just a spirit on the cabin deck with Danvers at the end, or was she still alive?

Good questions ..is it possible that Danver's step daughter was the baby crying after they **** Wheeler?

I too the ending to be be ambiguous about Navarro, and that the last shot was Danvers fondly remembering her...but I could be wrong

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02-19-2024 , 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by electricladylnd

S1 was a 10 with a 5 ending, S4 was a 5 with a 5 ending, that’s why the ending works.

Lol that could be it

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02-19-2024 , 05:45 PM

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I just found out that Kali Reis is the former WBO/WBA/IBO super lightweight boxing champ.

No wonder her punches looked so good lol

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02-19-2024 , 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

The Wheeler flashback didn't seem far enough back for Leah to be a baby, given she was a teenager in the present. Maybe the baby was Holden? Anyways it just seemed like a weird spot to make a point of knowing there was a baby elsewhere in the house with Wheeler.

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02-20-2024 , 12:27 AM

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(voiceover): "We were asking the wrong question. The question isn't who killed Annie K, but who knows who killed her?

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that is some cutting edge detective ****

don't think you have to be a misogynist to think this season was terrible

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02-20-2024 , 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by smartDFS

Imdb 5.7 on the final episode. Giving hope with episode 5 has probably made the backlash worse.

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02-20-2024 , 10:17 AM

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even The Watch podcast guys hated it, and they'll go out of their way not to rip anything. they spent the entire podcast on what was wrong and hoo boy there was a lot wrong.

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02-20-2024 , 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC

even The Watch podcast guys hated it, and they'll go out of their way not to rip anything. they spent the entire podcast on what was wrong and hoo boy there was a lot wrong.

I think it surpassed Lumberjack Dexter as the dumbest ending to a show.

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02-20-2024 , 11:01 PM

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pizzolatto has apparently been retweeting a bunch of anti-S4 messages

vanity fair ran an article under the tagline "MALE FRAGILITY" calling him a sore loser

you have to be pretty obtuse to see this as sore losing. no one in their right mind thought this season beat S1. better analogy would be someone took his child, lobotomized them and painted the kid's face in clown makeup.

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02-20-2024 , 11:29 PM

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5.7 on IMDB is actually a generous score for that awful finale. I couldn't stop laughing after the "time is a flat circle" forced line. Hopefully this season should put the series to bed for good.

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02-21-2024 , 02:47 AM

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bring back season 5 directed by the weeknd. he has proven his worth.

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02-21-2024 , 05:21 PM

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02-21-2024 , 06:36 PM

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i have 1 more episode to finish and 10 mins of episode 5. Its very dragging.

Was on my phone 3/4 time , not even sure when ill watch that last episode tbh

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02-21-2024 , 06:39 PM

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Well, the last 10 minutes of episode 5 will pick things up. lol

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02-21-2024 , 07:36 PM

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ha typical i probably switched off right before the good part. I was getting sleepy so will rewatch the last 30min of episode 5 in case i missed anything leading up to it.

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02-21-2024 , 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by warchant09

5.7 on IMDB is actually a generous score for that awful finale. I couldn't stop laughing after the "time is a flat circle" forced line. Hopefully this season should put the series to bed for good.

I've long forgotten how to post pics on here, but rotten tomato has this season at a 92 critic's score and 60 audience score, which are both insanely high imo

Even Jo Robinson from the Prestige TV podcast, who discussed every episode in detail throughout the season, couldn't bring herself to pretend this was anything but a giant mess.

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02-21-2024 , 08:42 PM

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Night country is an incoherent mess and uses supernatural ambiguity only to cover for its shortcomings.

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02-22-2024 , 11:26 AM

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Read an interview with Issa Lopez who said HBO wanted her already written crime thriller, Night Country, to be a part of the True Detective Universe, so she tweaked it. It was not even meant to be a "True Detective" thing.

Also, the ambiguousness is purposeful. For example - answers can be either "real" or supernatural, depending on how you view it. For example, the tongue was either placed in the station by the Indigenous Women as a way to mess with the scientists, or, it could be the murdered woman haunting them.

I liked it.

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02-22-2024 , 01:12 PM

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No, it just wasn't good. I do feel like the "what really happened" was what was written first and they went back and tried to make a story next.

After my first and second watch, I would have agreed about the ending. But I don't anymore. It similar to the ending of The Sopranos and though I was infuriated the night that it aired, eventually I came to consider it as one of the most brilliant scenes in TV history. As for True Detective season 1's ending, I think one's opinion depends on what show they thought they were watching. I got just as caught up as many did in all the Yellow King stuff and whatnot, but the show was about Rust and Marty. In that, I think the ending nailed it. It's impossible to think of what I would have thought about it had I not participated or contributed to any of the convos and discourse at the time. But that was also part of the fun of it.

I also think season 3's ending was better than S4.

I think the whole season set up the ending to be like Sopranos on steroids. This can be a good or a bad thing, seems like the type of story that would be very polarizing. Very little gets answered, many things are left up to interpretation. Lots of unreliable narrators. Its not my cup of tea as I'm a rube. I need that "whoa" moment to feel satisfied and normally wont be stringing things together on a pin board.

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02-22-2024 , 04:16 PM

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02-22-2024 , 06:35 PM

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So they're immediately committing to running it back with Lopez for a season 5? Interesting.

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02-22-2024 , 07:01 PM

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I dunno… I know that the ratings warranted a 5th but I’m not so sure how many will tune in for a new one.

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02-22-2024 , 08:00 PM

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HBO is run by idiots, not much more to say.

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02-22-2024 , 10:07 PM

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I guess a significant amount of people at least watched it, which sadly might mean more to HBO than the mediocre quality. I cannot for the life of me understand why critic reviews were favorable.

Gave up after three eps and absolutely no interest in finishing, spoilering myself or S5. Sad.

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