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01-27-2014 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thethethe
Yeh I was wondering that. Personally I thought it looked like Daddario, although the blind date would make more sense the way they mixed the two scenes. I've also read people thought it could have been Woody's (ex) wife.

And the dead young girl would logically be Cohle's if anything, but it sure looked like Hart's (pervert) daughter, Audrey.
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01-27-2014 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dedmau5
After rewatching Ep2 the other night I'm thinking that Rust is actually responsible for his daughters death. He tells the detectives something like:

"we lived on a bend in the road - she was in the driveway on her trike..."

Then he stops abruptly just as he's about to continue and changes the subject. Felt to me he was telling the story from a first person point of view.

I think he's wracked by guilt, not just grief.
I don't think he run her over himself. The driveway by a bend in the road makes it more likely for someone speeding and lose control to end up in the driveway, and I think something like that happened.

It's of course possible but I don't think he would talk this "freed me of the sin to be a father" stuff then. In any case I don't think you can lose your 2-year old in an accident and don't feel guilty in some way.
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01-27-2014 , 05:11 PM
I thought it was pretty clear that MM was responsible for his daughters death.. *shrug*
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01-27-2014 , 05:21 PM
I mean it might be a lot milder than running over her while he was drunk, he could have been supposed to watch her and he was passed out in a lawn chair or something.
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01-27-2014 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by electricladylnd
I don't see how the dead body pictures could be anyone that has interacted with Marty or Cohle. Cohle was looking at those crime photos while he is working the case, everyone is still alive at that time. They aren't flashing back within the flashbacks.

It might be flashing forward to the middle. Also the scene was (suspiciously) cut to show the dichotomy of what people think they are while alive and what they are at death.
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01-27-2014 , 05:40 PM
I've only watched it once, but I never got the impression that any of the dead body photos were characters that we're familiar with.

I just thought they were bodies associated with past cases he was looking at that had a possible connection to the Dora Lange murder.
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01-27-2014 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by electricladylnd
I don't see how the dead body pictures could be anyone that has interacted with Marty or Cohle. Cohle was looking at those crime photos while he is working the case, everyone is still alive at that time. They aren't flashing back within the flashbacks.
This. It was young Rust looking at those pictures in 1995 while investigating Dora Lange's murder. All the people being speculated about are very much alive at that time.
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01-27-2014 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NeueRegel
It might be flashing forward to the middle. Also the scene was (suspiciously) cut to show the dichotomy of what people think they are while alive and what they are at death.
The writer/director have done a great job so far letting us know which timeline we're on with both explicit and narrative cues. Suddenly putting in a flash-forward there makes no sense given the quality we've seen so far, not to mention that having all these people that Rust and Marty know killed would seem pretty unlikely.

I think it's more likely that it was just some symbolism to remind us that this can happen to anybody. While we don't know these victims, we still know these victims - they're our girlfriends, wives, and daughters.
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01-27-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dedmau5
After rewatching Ep2 the other night I'm thinking that Rust is actually responsible for his daughters death. He tells the detectives something like:

"we lived on a bend in the road - she was in the driveway on her trike..."

Then he stops abruptly just as he's about to continue and changes the subject. Felt to me he was telling the story from a first person point of view.

I think he's wracked by guilt, not just grief.
He did
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Also in the episode we had Woody drunk running over a little girl's bike. That's what MM did maybe?
Nice catch, interesting
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01-27-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
I mean it might be a lot milder than running over her while he was drunk, he could have been supposed to watch her and he was passed out in a lawn chair or something.
Yes that would make sense.
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01-27-2014 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dedmau5
This. It was young Rust looking at those pictures in 1995 while investigating Dora Lange's murder. All the people being speculated about are very much alive at that time.

You would think, but I'm not about to say this show isn't capable of pulling something like a jump forward to later in 1995 or other time, or extending what they show of Cohle's delusions, or something else symbolically discontinuous.

I just watched it again. The young girl was a brunette, so would not be Audrey. Don't know hair color of Cohle's dead daughter.

The last DB looks virtually identical to (startlingly like) Michelle Monaghan, and is cut immediately after a shot of her and WH dancing. It may be nothing, but my conspiracy theory instincts are massively triggered by that
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01-27-2014 , 06:12 PM
This last one? I don't think it looks that much like MM unless the unusual angle is throwing me off. (spoiled for blood)

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01-27-2014 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by thethethe
Personally I thought it looked like Daddario

It Can't be Daddario for 2 reasons

(naked torso is visible in table shot)
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01-27-2014 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
This last one? I don't think it looks that much like MM unless the unusual angle is throwing me off. (spoiled for blood)

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really? Eyebrow spacing look right. Nose a bit upturned and slightly bulbous-tipped. Chin looks like it might be very slightly cleft. Mid-high cheek bones. It may not be her, but I don't see anything specific that looks off at all.
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01-27-2014 , 06:20 PM
I'm not really looking at specific features like that, I just am familiar with and MM as an actress and when I look at that photo the facial recognition part of my brain doesn't give off any sign of familiarity like I'm looking at her.
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01-27-2014 , 06:24 PM
I realised the flashback of '95 and photocopying wouldn't include those people.

However in that scene there's the present case file, open with the photo in, he keeps glancing at in front of him.

I'm also not certain those two victims that are shown are on his desk in '95. I can't be too sure as I'm going to bed soon and rewatching/pausing that scene over and over, I'll end up like MM.
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01-27-2014 , 06:30 PM
I can't imagine that would be his reaction but I see the resemblance.
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01-27-2014 , 06:36 PM
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I'm also not certain those two victims that are shown are on his desk in '95. I can't be too sure as I'm going to bed soon and rewatching/pausing that scene over and over, I'll end up like MM.
fwiw, the photo that I posted above is the second time we see it (spliced w/ them dancing). The first time we see it it's on the copier, and the next shot we see is '95 MM standing in the copy room with a light appearing on his face as the copier does its thing. If that photo isn't from the '95 timeline, it's a really stupid Dexter-level trick.
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01-27-2014 , 06:49 PM
Ah ok I must have missed that, thanks.

New conspiracy:
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Dexter is back!
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01-27-2014 , 07:56 PM
That was so goddamn good. Last few minutes is up there with the best few minutes in an episode of TV for awhile.

For anticipation reasons, that was the perfect end of an episode to wait two weeks for.
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01-27-2014 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
fwiw, the photo that I posted above is the second time we see it (spliced w/ them dancing). The first time we see it it's on the copier, and the next shot we see is '95 MM standing in the copy room with a light appearing on his face as the copier does its thing. If that photo isn't from the '95 timeline, it's a really stupid Dexter-level trick.
Pure speculation, but it might be from a different (later) point WITHIN the 95 timeline. Obviously that sequence is alternating between 2 different points, so there is some chronological discontinuity involved either way.
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01-27-2014 , 10:16 PM
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noticed Banshee Amish slut Lili Simmons is in a couple more episodes
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01-28-2014 , 12:28 AM
Incredible episode.
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01-28-2014 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
I mean it might be a lot milder than running over her while he was drunk, he could have been supposed to watch her and he was passed out in a lawn chair or something.
I think it was more likely to be him not paying attention than running over her himself while drunk. If he had really run over his own daughter while drunk, he would have lost his badge. He also mentioned that his wife and him separated after a while, and the daughter's death took it's toll on them. His wife would have likely instantly left him if he had run his daughter over while intoxicated.

I could have sworn he said something about a truck driving down the street after he said something about a bend in the road. I got the impression that his daughter was run over by someone else. Because whoever hit her couldn't see her. Or that she hit the bend in the road and fell off her bike. But I could be wrong.

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01-28-2014 , 12:47 AM
How many episodes this season? This is like GOAT stuff so far. Absolutely love this show.
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