Wait a minute....I thought Casper was tortured and died at the 'sound proof room' house? Didn't Velcoro say something like....'I just found where Casper died.' Like wasn't there a pool of Casper's blood in the floor?

If so, then why did he come back at all? The girl said Casper was telling them everything, so he could just grab the hard drive while he was there. Even if the hard drive wasn't there we know they took Casper to his other house as well before disposing of the body. Why come back? (and of course why wait a few days to come back)

The only reason people are over analyzing Season 2 is the brilliance of Season 1. If Season 2 was first - there would be dead air and no Season 2.

Watch Mr. Robot, its so much more worthy of heated discussion.

It seemed like they took Casper's body on a long country drive, but maybe that was just the scenic route. I thought they killed Caspere where they killed Tasha. Or hell, did they even kill Tasha? Who died in the torture cabin?

If they killed him at the soundproof house, that makes even less sense that they'd come back.

A good read on the atrophy of the modern noir including True Detective Season 2

http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/noir-...ves-fault.html

Oh, the entire train station meet was another "so, uh, what was plan A?" moment.

What was the kid gonna do if Velcero didn't show up, just stab Holloway in broad ****ing daylight with a kitchen knife? He knew more than just Holloway was it on it, he kept talking about how he wanted "them" to get punished.

This was pointed out.

Fly, do you have any idea how many people a decision like that goes through? It's a lot, someone asked if that was really what he meant, and he said yes. There are a lot of spelling challenged people in the industry (judging from VV's list the person who made it is among them), and I've asked very similar questions on numerous occasions (graphic spellings, etc.). It was noticed, and someone said, yes this is what I want. It's more likely they spelled it that way so that it wouldn't cross over with a real entity. Catalyst Group seems like a name that definitely would have already been taken.

After the torched Cadillac and chase, I'm fairly sure I had it pegged that the set photographer was the shooter/killer/etc. and said it in this thread. As much as people want to go the "make sense" angle, it was set up exactly for that to have been the case (then they meandered for 3 or 4 episodes trying to sell the commune sex angle for absolutely zero reasons instead). The Cadillac was right out in front of the house when ace detective Velcro showed up. Squiggy was there to get the hard drive, and Velcro just happened to show up. We know this is true because the hard drive was there when Velcro showed up, but gone after he was shot. The whole pile of armageddon inside the house was laughable. Somehow, he got those police issued bullets because...reasons??? I thought the most noteworthy thing about the bullets box shot wasn't that it was a shot of a box of bullets, but that they said "less lethal" bullets (as Fly said above). That implies that these bullets can still kill you, which they certainly would have done at the range he blasted Velcro. Some things you really don't need to pay off again.

So Caspere wasn't killed at the sound proof house?

They never truly cleared that up, but presumably yes he was killed there. They found the torture shack too, but that evidently wasn't where he was killed. It makes no sense that the hard drive was left if that was where he was killed, but a lot didn't make sense this season.

I knew S2 was never going to be like S1, but I never would have guessed S2 was going to be as bad as it was. I can't think of a show that had such a drop off from S1 to S2, and most shows have to keep with S1 so they can say they ran out of material.

This season has already entered tv lore as legend. It's quite extraordinary, season 1's triumph to this mess. They'll be talking about this as long as tv exists.

It'll be interesting to see if Pizzolatto can bounce back from his debacle.

The first sign will be who signs on as director for the first episode(s) of season 3.

The whole thing reminds me a lot of Micheal Cimino's Heaven's Gate disaster coming off the Oscar winning Deer Hunter.

You mean without the burnt money and the bankrupted studio?

was thinking about the casting for S3 ... obv the criticisms of S1 were about women and that led to some of the stuff we saw in this. some early criticisms of S2 seem to be about the lack of COLOUR on the show, so ... what's their wishlist look like? would they even bother taking a shot at a Jamie Foxx say? The Rock is in the HBO family ... maybe grab some Wire folks? they seem to like Michael K. Williams an awful lot. bring back Idris Elba? or would some of these names be too distracting?

and/or grab some Latino actors.
any women of colour who'd be good for this?
wonder if they'll emphasize fit over star power for S3, if it happens.

and yeah gotta sort out the directors. and let's see if Nic can find some other writers he can work with, and maybe take more time to slap it all together, if that's possible.

Lol.

Yes, it's more like how did the guy that made The Deer Hunter make this steaming pile of ****?

Very apt. Cimino never really did recover from that.

It's honestly incredible how the show itself seems to have been filmed without scripting in advance. There's these red herrings about the commune or an occult conspiracy, but eh, by the end not just that **** had been tabled, the actual murder of Ben Caspere was mostly forgotten in favor of delving into previously-unexplored flashbacks of Frank's history of being doubted.

72,

The insider talk currently has Wanda Sykes and Gabriel Iglesias as front runners for the main two roles.

If we're going ridiculous but trying to be good, just bring in Robert Rodriguez. He'd laugh at Niccy Puto for sure.

Ok so I went back and checked out a few scenes. There was a pool of blood in the soundproof house when Farrell arrives. BTW it is dusk when he gets there and Casepere was murdered at least say 18 hours or so earlier.

Beginning of next episode Farrel tells McAdams he has found the murder scene.

Tasha was killed in torture cabin up north. Again checking the episode, Hooker Sister (the one who thinks everything in life is ****ing) says that Tasha was a favorite of Caspere, and she had photos of the sex parties that she was attempting to black mail Caspere et al with. Apparently she mailed some back up photos to Hooker Sister before she was killed at torture cabin.

So team Chessani/Catalast/Russians killed Tasha at torture cabin; and I am pretty sure torture cabin as like in the back yard of the same house VV and Farrell jack all the money from.

Which brings us back to.....why **** would Bird Man come back to sound proof house at all.....I mean you tortured and killed a ****ing guy in that same house the night before! To make things worse, just before getting shot with red herring loads, Farrell spots what is presumably the hard drive.....so the only way Bird Man and Sis can know what's on the hard drive is b/c Capere tells him (remember it's encrypted, they were never able to access it). So NP would have us beleive Bird Man and Sis kill Caspere and are all like.....well lets come back for this hard drive, you know, after we stage the body in a public place and get a nap and do some shopping etc. Sounds like a plan!

Considering how bad ol' Lenny was at covering his tracks, I'm just gonna say they went there and got that info. Then for reasons??? they forgot to take the hard drive and he had to come back...lol.

I always wondered why VV had such a chip on his shoulder, now I know it's because some black kids called him Larry Bird when he was a kid.

I thought the plan was to pair serous dramatic actors with a great director/script and tell a long-form story which allows the characters to develop with the goal of Emmy nominations all around.

None of this happened in Season 2, beginning with the director choice and VV casting. People were predicting disaster with that info way before the first episode was viewed.

sounds good

at least there'd be a few laughs, unlike this season

All,

Goddammit I get home and turn on the tv on and it's on HBO with true detective playing wtf!

Hit rewind to start from the beginning? **** you I'm harder to trick than that!

I'm prob gonna watch til the train station scene tho!