Yeah, that's pessimistic and pathological.Get more counseling, bud. Give me another partner.
"The hubris it must take to yank a soul out of non existence, into this, meat. And to force a life into this, thresher. Yeah so my daughter, she uh, she spared me the sin of being a father." Rust

Quote on burned church wall Mark 1,41
41And Jesus having been moved with compassion, having stretched forth the hand, touched him, and saith to him, ‘I will; be thou cleansed;’ 42and he having spoken, immediately the leprosy went away from him, and he was cleansed.
Which sin or disease was the victim being cleansed of? plenty to choose from in this dark show


I thought the dolls scene was just to show the girls re-enacting the murder scene that was making the news but they were told it was car accident. Maybe they borrowed some boys action figures from a neighbor. I dunno.


For some talk by two critics about a crazy theory that not even you guys thought of see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7AMprNNEqg

I, for one, would love to have Cohle over for dinner

As always, 100% speculation on my part:

I agree with the bolded. Regarding whether he is the killer, I think what we are seeing are portraits of two men with serious character flaws and broken in some way, and the two ways they each deal with that-- one more concerned about preserving his public face, the other more concerned about preserving what's left of his soul. And that dynamic is more interesting to me than the murder investigation itself.

At this point I'd put it like "WH is more likely to have ever committed a murder, but MM is more likely to be a serial killer." I think A is significantly more likely than B, though-- I think B is so unlikely as to be not worth thinking about.

If either detective is involved in either murder at all, I think it would be something like "WH commits the 2012 murder in a fit of rage; arranges it like the 1995 killing to pin it on MM". Second would be "MM commits the 2012 murder and arranges it like the 1995 killing to reopen the investigation and find the true killer", but I don't think that's likely as MM seems to have given up on life in a way that precludes that kind of grand ****-stirring gesture. I don't think the actual whodunit for the 1995 case is nearly as important as the 2012 one, in terms of the show's themes. And I definitely don't think either of the detectives committed the 1995 murder.

nath, your brother couldn't hook you up with a full copy of the season? Rough

This is pretty much how I see it. I lol'd earlier in the thread when a few posters we're comparing this to a procedural crime drama. It's a character study, pure and simple (ok, maybe not so simple) that happens to use a murder investigation as the vehicle for that study. It's about as far from a procedural in form, style and substance as you can get.

I really can't get over how good it is. And last night during SNL, HBO ran an ad for it on NBC. I've never noticed them do that before for any show.

wow. what a great hour of tv. i need more.

So now we gotta wait 2 weeks til the next episode?

were we supposed to recognize the last 2 DB images? that wasn't one of Hart's kids was it? just checking. you never know what a show like this might pull.

Didn't ask.

absolutely loved this episode

Did anyone else not have a clue until googling after the show who Charlie Lange was?

MM is pretty obviously the best part of the show. I especially liked the sequence where he was slow dancing awkwardly, transition to him dancing like he might actually know some moves, cut to him making a cross out of a beer can like a crazy person, at which point he goes "I've never been in the room more than ten minutes I didn't know if the guy did it or not. How long does it take you?"

They definitely ratcheted up the Cohle might be the killer factor this episode with all the talk about how the dead found peace at the end by letting go and the beer can figures having a certain resemblance to the things found at the scene of the murder and at the house of the first missing girl. But then it doesn't really jive with the flashbacks of him really going deep into the evidence, unless the new murder is a copycat. Going to be interesting to see where this goes in the next five episodes because it seems like they've found their guy and are going to shoot him next episode.

incredible episode

gutted that there isn't going to be one next week

Amazing episode Sad when it ended

Also, noticed that Hart was wearing a ring in the present day scenes, think it was said before itt that he wasn't.

not on his left hand

i thought he made a person, was it a cross?

loved when he hung up on Maggie after hinting that he'd rather be alone than have "support" or whatever she called it

couldn't be sadder right now that we have to wait 2 weeks.. is that cause of the superbowl?

In prior post I mentioned the last 2 dead body shots Cohle is supposed to be looking at. They went by pretty quick, but the first was of a kid that looked like it could have been one of Hart's, and the second a woman that could have been either Maggie or the nurse they tried to set Cohle up with. Seemed significant the way they cut those with alternating shots from the date etc.

Cross and a person are the same thing. Different version of the same illusion.

my wife noticed hart wasn't wearing his wedding band present day. i noticed earlier in the episode old hart was wearing a ring on each hand

HBO has turned into the Existential channel. Love it.

I feel like I'm listening to contemporary Ivan Karamazov in MM.

That **** he said about religious diction being studied as an actual virus which re-networks the wires of the brain . . . beautiful.

The scene where they're on a double date and MM is forced to play the role of a happy double date dancing the night away when the whole time he's thinking "existence is a illusion" . . . genius stuff


And it's nice to have comic relief break up the despair . . . "I like mowing MY LAWN" .. LOL

I figured a relative of Dora Lange (antler queen from episode 1). . . no?

And am I the only who thinks Brother Mouzone looks like an anorexic Tom Jackson in this show? I keep expecting him to say "Well, Boom..."