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07-16-2015 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nunnehi
Yeah, if those are the freeways I think they are, traffic is almost never like that. I just think the direction they shot them from is very confusing to try to identify them, kind of like the big shot in the first episode where you see downtown on screen being northwest of the camera. That angle would make me think City of Industry. Instead, it turns out they were shooting from a southwest angle, so the perspective of downtown should have been the opposite of what it was (downtown should have appeared to be northeast of the camera) if they were trying to anchor geography (they might have been trying to throw locals off, I don't know).

Have you seen info about how they did the aerial shots and where? If so, I'd like to read it.
I think you are confusing City of Industry with Bell.

City of Industry is off the 60 East of the 605. Not close to downtown.
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07-16-2015 , 07:19 PM
The area I'm talking about is to the east of the 5 going south of downtown toward Commerce. It might not be called City of Industry, but can't remember what it's called. It's not close to downtown and it's past the 5/10/60 interchange (the shot in the show looked like it was shot from that area, about 10 or 15 miles from downtown, but it turns out it was shot from the 710 area if I remember correctly). I think Bell is off the 710, as that's the same area where the Bike is, unless Bell and Bell Gardens aren't near each other.
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07-16-2015 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
As a theory it has many, many flaws.

But explaining why whoever killed Caspere didn't just leave his body in a ditch in the countryside and explaining how the man in the bird mask both knew CF was coming and didn't kill CF is so hard! When the Yellow King engages in weird ritual **** with body placement he did that because he was ****ing insane. He did it to please his personal demons. Here, the bad guys are what, the Russian mob? The Mexican cartels? Some crooked real estate developer? Whatever company polluted all that land? Thinking calculating criminals don't do weird **** for no reason.

Other evidence:

At the Armenian bakery, Frank tells them that he will take care of the Mexicans. The Mexicans weren't patsies being framed for the Caspere murder, they were psychos who knew Frank was tooling up for war and Frank used framing them for Caspere as a means to his real goal, not having any problems with his new connect.
I think your theory is missing the idea that people could be spying on Frank, and also know he's a CI. They couldn't have had the black Cadillac staged outside of the house CF walked into more if they actually did a close up. That scene is most likely going to be someone from the movie set, and most most likely is the set photographer, because why would he even be talked to otherwise? Someone from the set stole the car, and we know it wasn't the person they tried to frame for that. The size of the runner was also similar to the set photographer.
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07-16-2015 , 09:25 PM
But the set photographer was also weirdly helpful for no reason if he was in on it. He could've just stonewalled them. "Sorry, man, I just take pictures, no idea"

I don't think we're getting a satisfying conclusion to this stuff. The police investigation has to be part of the plan, because it has been encouraged and helped along by the killers. The two weird attempts to frame people don't make sense, if they had just disappeared Caspere's body they wouldn't need to do any of this ****.

That gets back to the big problem, that we still have no ****ing idea what's going on. Who is doing what and why.

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07-16-2015 , 09:39 PM
If we go with the vast conspiracy from the inside to bring it down angle, then Emily Rios's character is probably behind all the steering going on (find it hard to believe they'd get her for a nothing part). I think the body was purposely staged so that Ani would pick up the case, specifically because of the connection to her father (if we go that idea of conspiracy brought down from the inside). If it's just that the investigation is being steered by the bad people to deflect attention or get rid of problems, that also works. Then again, it could just be convenient writing in the sense of how all three of our main cop characters ended up on the same case.

I do believe the big conspiracy is regarding the commune, and this case is just what accidentally or purposely will bring the house of cards down. They've set up that aspect just fine, if that's where they go. The only problem is that most of the ancillary stuff isn't that interesting.
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07-16-2015 , 11:54 PM
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The area I'm talking about is to the east of the 5 going south of downtown toward Commerce. It might not be called City of Industry, but can't remember what it's called. It's not close to downtown and it's past the 5/10/60 interchange (the shot in the show looked like it was shot from that area, about 10 or 15 miles from downtown, but it turns out it was shot from the 710 area if I remember correctly). I think Bell is off the 710, as that's the same area where the Bike is, unless Bell and Bell Gardens aren't near each other.
Vernon; Huntington Park; Bell
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07-17-2015 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nunnehi
If we go with the vast conspiracy from the inside to bring it down angle, then Emily Rios's character is probably behind all the steering going on (find it hard to believe they'd get her for a nothing part).
Never heard of her and imdb indicates she is not famous?
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07-17-2015 , 12:57 AM
She had an absolutely crucial small role on Breaking Bad, and that has led to her being in a series of really good parts in several shows I watch (she was quite good in The Bridge as a regular).
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07-17-2015 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nunnehi
I just think the direction they shot them from is very confusing to try to identify them, kind of like the big shot in the first episode where you see downtown on screen being northwest of the camera. That angle would make me think City of Industry. Instead, it turns out they were shooting from a southwest angle, so the perspective of downtown should have been the opposite of what it was (downtown should have appeared to be northeast of the camera) if they were trying to anchor geography (they might have been trying to throw locals off, I don't know).
Something similar happens in almost every movie or TV show when somebody is driving down Las Vegas Boulevard (the Strip). The order in which the casinos are shown makes absolutely no sense.

You'll see the Riviera on a car's left (north Strip driving south) immediately followed by the Bellagio also on your left (mid-Strip driving north). Then, it'll be Caesars Palace on your right (mid-Strip driving south) followed by the MGM Grand (south Strip) or some other casino chosen simply because it looks good.

These are details directors don't seem to care about because only locals are likely to recognize the inconsistencies.
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07-17-2015 , 01:30 AM
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Never heard of her and imdb indicates she is not famous?
Andrea (Brock's mom and Jessie's kind of second gf) in Breaking Bad
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07-17-2015 , 03:01 AM
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Something similar happens in almost every movie or TV show when somebody is driving down Las Vegas Boulevard (the Strip). The order in which the casinos are shown makes absolutely no sense.

You'll see the Riviera on a car's left (north Strip driving south) immediately followed by the Bellagio also on your left (mid-Strip driving north). Then, it'll be Caesars Palace on your right (mid-Strip driving south) followed by the MGM Grand (south Strip) or some other casino chosen simply because it looks good.

These are details directors don't seem to care about because only locals are likely to recognize the inconsistencies.
Yeah, in the worst case offenders, it's typically because the people making the show never actually lived in the city they're representing and don't know the geography.

"Fun" fact: I corrected Michael Mann on some of his bad freeway geography memory for the movie Heat.
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07-17-2015 , 08:41 AM
lol at this show and anyone still watching
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07-17-2015 , 09:18 AM
The killer could be some kind of vigilante or detective (the True Detective for everyone who's still obsessed with that) who's looking for or taking revenge for the missing girl. He didn't kill Colin Ferrel because he's not just going around randomly killing cops.

The killer was staking out that location in the hopes of someone he could question turning up. When it turned out to be Colin he knew there was nothing to be gained so just incapacitated him in order to GTFO.

Casper was tortured to get more information on the girl. His body was dumped where it was so Antigone would be involved. Due to the connection with the hippies which is where the trail leads.

Everything else (especially VV) is just collateral damage. So it's a standard detective story except seen from everyone else's perspective. If anyone's familiar, think the Alex Ross comic book series Marvels.

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07-17-2015 , 11:43 AM
I guess this entire season is supposed to be not-quite-reality, like a Lynchian play on L.A. as the place of dreams/nightmares, etc. I suppose if you look at it through that lens, some of the weird stuff and plot holes can make a little more sense (sad acoustic singer always playing in the bar, the explosion that didn't phase gunman, the weird edits that almost seem like amateurish mistakes, etc.). The explosion even had cheesy special effects which seemed odd for a big-budget HBO show but is something that Lynch would do.

They clearly seem to be modelling this season on Mulholland Drive with the odd stilted dialogue and the not-quite-real seeming settings, etc. The problem is that Lynch is a genius and the creators of this show are not even close to his artistic level.
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07-17-2015 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
The killer could be some kind of vigilante or detective (the True Detective for everyone who's still obsessed with that) who's looking for or taking revenge for the missing girl. He didn't kill Colin Ferrel because he's not just going around randomly killing cops.

The killer was staking out that location in the hopes of someone he could question turning up. When it turned out to be Colin he knew there was nothing to be gained so just incapacitated him in order to GTFO.

Casper was tortured to get more information on the girl. His body was dumped where it was so Antigone would be involved. Due to the connection with the hippies which is where the trail leads.

Everything else (especially VV) is just collateral damage. So it's a standard detective story except seen from everyone else's perspective. If anyone's familiar, think the Alex Ross comic book series Marvels.
If so, I hope it's Alex Fernandez, another great character actor who's been poorly used this season (and another guy who could have played VV's part perfectly...lol).
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07-17-2015 , 04:52 PM
Emily Rios played Jesse's gf on Breaking Bad.

Jessie's girl was a song by Rick Springfield.

Rick Springfield plays Dr. Pitlor on True Detective.
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07-17-2015 , 05:12 PM
True Detective is now as bad as a Rick Springfield song.
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07-18-2015 , 09:02 AM
Nic is a writer,
Yeah, I know he's been a good writer before
But lately something's changed
It ain't hard to define
Nic got himself a second season and I want it to be sublime

And I'm watching it with my eyes
And I was lovin' it last year, I remember it!
And I'm torrenting the episodes late, late at night

You know I wish that this season was good
I wish that this season was good
Where can I find a show like that?
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07-18-2015 , 09:16 AM
Lol very nice.



How about:

And I'm watching, don't know why
Here comes a shot of highways, I just know it...
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07-19-2015 , 09:09 PM
GIRTH??? IS THIS REAL LIFE
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07-19-2015 , 09:11 PM
Lol Same lawyer as Silicon Valley. Maybe they are trying to tell us something.
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07-19-2015 , 09:13 PM
IIRC he was not a lawyer in Silicon Valley
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07-19-2015 , 09:19 PM
"It's like blue balls in your heart."

Lol ok.
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07-19-2015 , 09:21 PM
"you could have been a scrape job"

said no one ever
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07-19-2015 , 09:31 PM
Dayum, three is a lot of scrape jobs
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