The ending wasn't the problem. It was the reveal at the end of episode 7 and the lack of depth they gave the ending.

It needed more depth anyway, but if you are going to reveal Errol at the end of 7 you have to do even more with the plot in the finale and it just didn't get there.

Fly gonna fly

I marathoned instead of watching week by week. I much prefer this method of watching. Not only did it allow me to avoid all of the speculation pontification (and especially this thread!) but it let the whole show flow as one seamless piece. In my eyes there was no let down and the story just went from the beginning to the end in a very satisfying manor.

guys stop all the bickering.
band of brothers is obv the GOAT tv show ever made.

mini series

don't care. its so GOAT it transcends all barriers.

(pls note i said GOAT tv show, not series)

My fav miniseries is Generation Kill, don't hear it mentioned much. I loved it.

generation kill was A+

hate to be that pretentious cliche douchebag but did you read the book?
also Lt. fick (bravo's LT who had the beef with encino man) wote a book called one bullet away that was pretty interesting.

I was disappointed in the ending (mostly the last 10 minutes). Watched it with a friend that marathoned it and didn't read any reddit aids and she also was disappointed. Episodes 2-6 were some of the best TV ever though.

Also: go team Audrey.

Fly, here's my serious response to GoT: its a sprawling incredibly plotted epic with deep mythology (I haven't read the books aside from half of the first one where I got a bit bored stopped reading) where the actors routinely knock it out of the park. Even very minor characters. The attention to detail on every level is astounding (sets, costumes, you name it): they bring this world alive.

And yeah its often sexy, and revels in salaciousness. As it should; it doesn't go far enough honestly. It doesn't come sanitized nor should it. "Omg boobs, trashiness" isn't a critique I would expect you to get hung up over; don't tell me you're THAT guy. It isn't a critique scathing or otherwise about feudalism. That's simply the kind of world it exists in. You're brutally missing the point here. Please don't respond about anything related to the books. I don't want to know or care. And I feel the show grasps realpolitik quite well (I'm not interested in discussing international power politics itt or elsewhere really only to say this is how the world operates to this day; and I don't mean in any cynical internet libertarian way). The plotting doesn't betray itself.

It's the most skillfully crafted TV show ever and I don't think this is particularly close. The Wire has a similar scope and thematic depth but the "cinematic" craft in GoT is vastly richer. Further still in True Detective (best part of this show): I don't entirely understand CQ's "I watch movies/TV for the writing" line given both mediums are visual/audio above all but okay whatever floats your boat.

To get back to True Detective this show was a landmark in the craft on TV in terms of acting, cinematography, sound, nothing *I've* seen is close. Have heard similar things about Top of the Lake and a couple others which I haven't seen (none of Breaking Bad,Game of Thrones, Mad Men, Masters of Sex, etc are close). I'm not sure how much any of this matters to most viewers or that it should I'm saying for me specifically this is what TV has always sorely been missing. True Detective pushes boundaries of TV on this front a lot. Just about everything in the frame is given careful attention (I most certainly do not mean in a "hidden clues" way).

Back to GoT the "gaudy spectacle" CQ mentions is one of the biggest *strengths* of the show. If you don't get that then the show is certainly not for you, gives zero ****s. You said it like that was a bad thing. It's certainly not. Also a gaudy spectacle: human history.

I'm with that guy.

I meant the "gaudy spectacle" thing as a huge positive, just to be clear. Also, I don't claim that the way I tend to watch TV/movies is ideal; in fact, I think putting a disproportionate amount of weight on narrative and nothing else is probably a bad way of watching stuff, for obvious reasons. I think it makes me good evaluating story but bad at experiencing the gestalt of a show, which is probably happening here to some extent with TD, tbh.

It can be easily applied to any authoritarian and tribal type of society. We've seen a few of those.

holy **** if this thread degenerates into people not only hating on TD but also GoT we might reach a pinnacle of ******ation not previously known to man.

if only we can get a few people to come in and talk about how carmela ruined the sopranos for them and BoB wasn't really all that good cuz albert blithe didn't really die the thread will be complete.

time is a flat circle.

wait, someone is saying GoT is bad? ugh

Haven't posted here in awhile, but not after the finale aired, someone posted someone's twitter that said, (or similar):

Marty: You what we are?
Rust: True Detectives.
[high five]
[roll credits]

But that still makes me laugh.

top of the lake was decent, but i think there's only emily nussbaum on earth who thinks it's actually on TD's level in any way.

GoT is a good show, dude, nobody said otherwise. When I called it genre trash, I didn't mean "trashy" because it has nudity, I mean it's genre trash because it's escapist swords and sorcery fantasy. It's a world of Gods and Dragons and Prophecies, all that ****. It's very well made, it brings that world to life, but it's not saying anything besides "here is an entertaining story, please enjoy".


And, again, that's fine. You don't need to be profound to be good, which was what started this tangent when CQ hated on TD.

Except you do need to be if you're trying to be.

It's not on TD level but ToTL is a hell of a lot better than "decent".

I did think Nussbaum was right about The Fall. It's really good (four eps in)

Or rather, if that's ALL you're trying to be

Somewhere in Hades, Homer is saying Dude they were just fantasy poems, stop puttin all them fancy ideas in my mouth.

Count me in as someone who did not enjoy the finale. I wasn't expecting much of it and trying to lower my expectations in terms of plot points, because I knew first and foremost it's a show about the two cops and their relationship.

With that being said, this show kind of felt like a tease to me. Like the writers wanted to keep some flexibility for future seasons. They put a flashlight on a bunch of dark topics, but never fully explored them: the occult, MM's backstory and Texas gangs, child abductions, sexual deviance, political cover ups, etc. They now have a bunch of areas that they can possibly explore over the course of the next few seasons.

I guess that's why I am disappointed. If they jumped into one of those areas and really explored it, it could have been great. Instead, I feel like I got a conventional "cop chase through a bad guy maze" ending. And the bad guy was a ******ed lawn mower? It just didn't sit well with me.

Also, glad I didn't follow this thread because the talk of Audrey was probably unbearable.

Awesome!!

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