What mood were you in?

not an add mood

That makes me wonder if anyone in the "I wish I could marathon this" actually pays any attention while watching anything

the best i can figure this is coming up?

Two people whose opinions mean absolutely zero to me. Neither of these people can identify a gang rape or gang bang (yeah right) that is clear via indisputable visual evidence (and wrongly ridicule me for thinking so), yet both are giving their opinions of my opinion about something related to sex. Again, both these people's opinions about anything mean absolutely zero to me. From now on, they might as well be dead to me, and I won't waste any more typing on them.

You're missing the main point of my argument. If it's me or you, no one gives a crap about stuff like that. This is a cop who has seen rapes and murders, and has it as a major part of his job. He claims is going to decompress from his job with a young hot chick on the side, and is doing kinky stuff with her (we only saw one thing, but it speaks to others we haven't seen). Do you see the problem? If he were trying to decompress from his job, he would be trying to do the furthest things from what he witnesses on the job (so a logical leap is that you can say he was effed up before he was on the job and became that to get off on it, or the job effed him up, what do you think it is?). And if he's not going home and using his handcuffs with his wife, what would that make you think? And if he was? Again, for a person outside of his profession, it's no big deal, but someone who has to deal with a lot of bad stuff for a living would be trying to have more healthy outlets for decompression...unless they have issues.

I think he has an extremely dark personality, and is in major denial about it. That's often the scariest type of villain, even if never truly outwardly manifested. The massive overreaction toward MM who just mentioned his wife, shows he has impulse control issues (as does his massive over drinking), as well as the ability to rise to violence with not much provocation. MM could easily have killed him in that scene, but we don't know how others would handle themselves around him in similar situations. In my opinion, what they showed you in episode 2 was that WH was effed up, and that was its main intent when doing his character development. Right now, what we're seeing is cracks on WH's surface, and it's quite obvious he will break severely sometime between 1995 and 2002.

Woody didn't age bad enough.

it speaks to other things we haven't seen like what oral sex?

So you see one layer of kink and you just assume that's it? Cool.

good lord how can a thread about n epic how turn into such aids so quickly.

Rbk,

Nunnehi

heh ya i'm new around these parts so dunno who the trolls are yet.
i'm learning tho.

I don't think there was anything to make of the handcuffs at all. It seems like a major stretch to think that says anything about his personality. Good chance his gf is a bit of a badge bunny and thus might enjoy using handcuffs, either on herself or him as part of fun.

Woody seems like your typical cheating, alcoholic cop that we've seen on TV a million times. Except this show is a million times better than most of those other shows. Getting that he is a bad person or deducing he is capable of serial murder because he cheats on his wife and uses handcuffs in the bedroom seems ridiculous.

nunnehi has been my favorite ootv poster since the Homeland season 1 thread. He's inconsistent (sometimes he posts actual real useful things re: ratings and stuff), but when he's on his game he's amazing.

Goofy,

I think what nunnehi is trying to say is that if you're a short order cook, the last thing you want to do when you get home is make dinner.

If you're a taxi driver, the last thing you want to do on your day off is drive your kids around to all their teams and after school activities.

If you're murder/rape police the last thing you should want to do in your personal life is re-eneact anything at all resembling the horrors of your job. Particularly if your excuse for screwing around on your wife is to "decompress". If he needs to "decompress" by participating in sex/power games (that it involves handcuffs is not really the point, it's that it involves domination and submissions). So either Woody became a cop because he's attracted to that (not exactly an uncommon theme of police becoming police because they're bad guys who found a way to abuse they're power legally - like mods) or he's become so warped by the job that he's obsessed by it.

I'm not sure I agree - I think there was a playfulness to Woody's introduction of the handcuffs. And his willingness to switch from dominance to submission. So I don't think he was really looking to get off on simulating rape. I think nunnehi may be giving that scene too much weight (Chekhov's gun) but OTOH there's very clearly a theme about Woody being ****ed up about sex:

A) He's having an affair
B) He white knights the under-age looking hooker (MM hardly notices or cares) but not enough to actually do anything effective about it (he does just enough to make him feel like he did something). It could easily be read that he cares more about looking like he gives a **** than actually giving a ****.
C) He ignores the Barbie gangbang (so he freaks out about some random hooker but ignores his own daughters acting out? WTF?)

Put it this way - Do you think Woody would have turned down the hooker supplying MM with pills the way MM did?

well hes murder police so the last thing he would want to do in his free time is kill people. Wow, did I just prove he cant be the killer?

Thanks for helping to keep this thread from turning more aidsy!

What kind of ****ty thread is this where a character in a tv show can't get a blowjob from his mistress while handcuffed without being labeled a murderer/rapist? And I'm pretty sure that if he was the rapist guy then he wouldn't be the one that lets himself get handcuffed in that situation.

I dunno about you but I remember details better from 2 hours ago or 2 nights ago much better than 2-6 weeks ago. And remembering more details enhances my viewing experience. I'd much rather marathon it.

HBO could totally release it all at once on HBOgo and still air it on the regular one episode per Sunday schedule and get good ratings I think.

I didn't even know this was Nath's brother's show until this morning, that's awesome.

'95 Woody seems like a lot of 30-something friends of mine.

It's nice to know that on a forum full of supposedly smart people only CMAR seems to get the exact points I'm making even if he disagrees with me. Well played bunch of effed up people on the internet. Anyone calling me a troll is an a-hole. And as usual, f-u Fabian you hyper troll. I seriously wonder how stupid anyone in this thread is who thinks I've somehow made the case that WH is the killer. I generally refrain from personal attacks on the internet, but this thread makes me want to start.

It's a work of fiction. A murder mystery at that. A cigar is never a cigar. It's not out of line to look for clues, particularly when a character's actions are different from their words.

Woody justifies his screwing around by it being to "decompress" and so he doesn't bring his work home with him. If that was true, then the last thing he should be doing after work is playing with handcuffs (a tool of the job he's trying to put behind him or escape). At the very least it underscores his hypocrisy (which is pretty obvious anyway) about his motivations for the affair (he's not really doing it for his family, c'mon).

The more I think about it, the more I agree there's nothing more to it than that. It's just the consistency of Woody's selfishness and self-centeredness. But it's not an observation that's completely out of left field. And we just got done with a conversation where a bunch of people were dismissing the Barbie gang-bang out of hand and denying it even existed. So there are a lot of people here who are much worse at this than nunnehi.

So you're still saying I'm terrible? lol

And again, WH is a huge white knighting hypocrite. It's great that someone else is making this point.

No. I'm saying I think you've missed the mark on this one point but there are people in this thread who are borderline ******ed and they're not getting nearly the grief you are.