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OZZY
46 30.26%
COACH
69 45.39%
NEPHEW OF RUSSELL
37 24.34%

11-02-2011 , 09:14 PM
Sheep canceled in lieu of cash mahne's game. Maybe to be resumed at a later time.
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11-02-2011 , 09:18 PM
Plan idea: suspect
Plan execution: pathetic
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11-02-2011 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardfish1
Plan idea: suspect
Plan execution: pathetic
this x100000.


The key to the plan is the loyalty of the survivor genius whom the entire tribe has almost voted out every tribal council.
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11-02-2011 , 09:23 PM
for the love of god, cliffs on what went down tonight, or a summary, or link to where i can read recap right now!!!!!
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11-02-2011 , 09:25 PM
goes to tribal 6-6, they vote once; 6-6. They vote again with threat of rocks and Cochrane flips. Keith goes to RI.
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11-02-2011 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ekard
for the love of god, cliffs on what went down tonight, or a summary, or link to where i can read recap right now!!!!!
Spoiler:
Cochrane flipped
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11-02-2011 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Wise
goes to tribal 6-6, they vote once; 6-6. They vote again with threat of rocks and Cochrane flips. Keith goes to RI.
Does RI still exist?
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11-02-2011 , 09:26 PM
wait theres another redemption island?

ahhh I thought keith was out
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11-02-2011 , 09:27 PM
They showed Keith there at the end.
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11-02-2011 , 09:28 PM
Ugh, Cochran sucks. Draw rocks, then flip later. Flipping at F12 is just terrible.

BTW, this is why it's stupid for the RI returnee to come back at an even number. Production's ideal version of Survivor is to have no ties; that's why the rock tiebreaker is there, after all. Because of that, it makes no sense for RI to return at an even number. If it's an odd number instead, scenarios like this never come up, and the game ends up being much more interesting strategically. The free agent would often end up as the swing vote, giving them a better chance to integrate themselves into the game. That's the whole point of RI, isn't it?

EDIT: Also, LOL Ozzy. Just terrible. His plan would have worked had it been executed by someone who could think their way out of a paper bag. Don't give the idol to Cochran, make YOURSELF the double agent, etc. It's not that hard, bro.
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11-02-2011 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Wise
They showed Keith there at the end.
Barf. Why the hell do the producers love RI so much? Does the general audience love it?
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11-02-2011 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by vyk07
Staying loyal is completely +EV in that spot if you want to be drawing live to the million
As soon as he was designated the "spy", the effective chances at $1M dropped within his own tribe.

If he doesn't flip tonight, how many votes do you think he will be able to muster from the other tribe come the final? Zero. How many will he get from his own tribe, if he even got there?

Paint me a scenerio where he gets to final three in his own tribe and has the respect of the jury from his own tribe to get any votes? There is simply no path for Cochrane to get to final 3 in his own tribe and still being seen as deserving of $1M. he simply can't muster votes from either tribe if he stays. not sure why people can't see that.


Sure, he is not in the greatest sitaution now, but he is on the tribe with the numbers and he'll be a popular guy to take to the final three because everyone knows he won't get ANY votes from his old tribe.

So, seeing as he had no real path to $1M either way, he made the best move possible by switching. He can now watch the old tribe get picked off, and also watch his new tribe re-align in an attempt to KEEP Cochrane and take him to the final three.
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11-02-2011 , 09:29 PM
i understand that Cochran loses tons of potential votes to win by flipping, but I honestly think he has like less than 1 percent chance to make the finals if he stays loyal to his tribe... there is no way that Ozzy/keith/whitney would have broken up
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11-02-2011 , 09:30 PM
The move is bad, anybody who says differnt is ******ed, he stands no shot of winning now. With that said he has a great shot of making the finals cause everybody knows the first part is true...

Sure he is at the bottom no matter what he does but dont flip on the entire tribe, flip at a point later when people are expected to flip.
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11-02-2011 , 09:32 PM
Cochran should have used his role to the fullest. Find out who each tribe is voting for, control who uses the idol for Upolu, and leave himself out of it. He doesn't have to fall on the sword and the blame can fall on Upolu for misleading him.
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11-02-2011 , 09:32 PM
Here is easy scenario to break up Ozzy/Keith/Whitney, at F7 the remaining blue tribe member votes with Jim/Dawn/Cochrane to get rid of either Ozzy or Keith. Makes a lot of sense for Jim to want to get rid of Ozzy and Keith at some point
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11-02-2011 , 09:32 PM
I think it is awesome that Cochran feels physically threatened after the vote.
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11-02-2011 , 09:33 PM
How is Brandon's comment at the end not getting more love?
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11-02-2011 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Barf. Why the hell do the producers love RI so much? Does the general audience love it?
No...but the general audience loves the returning players.

Last edited by K.O.S.; 11-02-2011 at 09:33 PM. Reason: also, the general audience is stupid
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11-02-2011 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Barf. Why the hell do the producers love RI so much? Does the general audience love it?
Redemption Island keeps good competitors, like coach and ozzy, in the game. Didn't you notice all the puzzle challenges at RI last season? Safety net for boston rob
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11-02-2011 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight
As soon as he was designated the "spy", the effective chances at $1M dropped within his own tribe.

If he doesn't flip tonight, how many votes do you think he will be able to muster from the other tribe come the final? Zero. How many will he get from his own tribe, if he even got there?

Paint me a scenerio where he gets to final three in his own tribe and has the respect of the jury from his own tribe to get any votes? There is simply no path for Cochrane to get to final 3 in his own tribe and still being seen as deserving of $1M. he simply can't muster votes from either tribe if he stays. not sure why people can't see that.


Sure, he is not in the greatest sitaution now, but he is on the tribe with the numbers and he'll be a popular guy to take to the final three because everyone knows he won't get ANY votes from his old tribe.

So, seeing as he had no real path to $1M either way, he made the best move possible by switching. He can now watch the old tribe get picked off, and also watch his new tribe re-align in an attempt to KEEP Cochrane and take him to the final three.
well said.

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Originally Posted by Dyenimator
Cochran should have used his role to the fullest. Find out who each tribe is voting for, control who uses the idol for Upolu, and leave himself out of it. He doesn't have to fall on the sword and the blame can fall on Upolu for misleading him.

yes which is why they editors made a point of making it clear the otehr tribe would not tell Cochrane who they were voting for.

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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
The move is bad, anybody who says differnt is ******ed, he stands no shot of winning now. With that said he has a great shot of making the finals cause everybody knows the first part is true...

Sure he is at the bottom no matter what he does but dont flip on the entire tribe, flip at a point later when people are expected to flip.
well I disagree that he is drawing dead, his chances are really low but I do think this move MASSIVELY increased his cash EV for the reason you state. He is much more likely to get 2nd now.
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11-02-2011 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
and wtf @ dawn how bipolar can she be. Shes now telling cochran hes selfish if he swaps?
Yeah - funny how her whole outlook changed once she had that idol around her neck.

What a fraud.


ALLLL ABOOOOARD THE COCCHCHCHCHCHTRAIN!!!

Can't wait for the pagonging of Ozzie and his whiny minions to commence!!

Observation from Next Week's Preview:
Spoiler:
From the view of Ozzie looking at the Ocean in the preview I'm thinking he goes next.

Last edited by Spike Forehand; 11-02-2011 at 09:50 PM.
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11-02-2011 , 09:37 PM
Stay close to me.

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11-02-2011 , 09:42 PM
Going to rocks should have been an easy choice for Cochran. Consider:

- Cochran draws rock (1/7): this is obviously the disaster scenario.

- Jim draws rock (1/7): Cochran is still in a fine position here. Ozzy would probably be the next boot target anyway, and the game should soon progress to the point where Cochran can organize a flip (or have one organized for him by Albert/Sophie.

- Upolu draws rock (5/7): Cochran is in a great position. He can pick off the biggest threats on Upolu as he sees fit, is safe from Coach's idol (since Ozzy/Keith/Jim would probably be the target instead), and can easily organize a flip at F9/F7 by point to Ozzy's status as a challenge threat or the need to break up Keith/Whitney. He can drag Whitney and another goat (ideally Edna if she's the last remaining Upolu) to the end for a comfortable victory.

Compare that to:

- Cochran flips: He is at the bottom of an alliance which has no reason to trust him (if he can betray people he's known for 18 days, he can betray people he's known for 5). Coach/Albert may decide to vote him out to appease Savaii (ala Yul with Penner in CI), and booting him is probably the correct play anyway (or keeping him around because he won't be able to flip back, which is almost as bad). If he does have an easy path to the end it's as a goat, who would need a clean sweep of Upolu votes to win.
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11-02-2011 , 09:43 PM
Lets' not forget to congratulate Ozzie for going to RI and risking getting ousted from game, only to go head-to-head and beat a person that would have switched teams anyway. Then, after the successful "fail" plan, go to tribal and spend TWO idols only to end up on the team that is down in numbers.

It is tough to accomplish all this fail all at once.
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