Michael and Libby are dating according to instagram

Michael misplaying it at the end is sad.

Dom/Wendall/Don/laurel train gonna be hard to stop. It's got a ton of momentum and Chelsea seems content to do nothing and kellyn doesn't realize she's on the bottom

See, but I'm wondering what their plan is. Four of them is only enough to force a tie next week, I don't think Dom/Wendell can convince any of the other 4 Naviti to vote one of their own out while Laurel and Donathan are still there. My only thought is for them to find out which one of Donathan/Laurel the other 4 Naviti want to vote out, and then give that person an idol.

OR....

Pitch a plan to the Navitis to put 4 votes on either Donathan/Laurel, and the remaining two on the other one, but really vote out one of the Naviti 4. This is actually a much better plan because then you can hang onto your idol (of you're Dom or Wendell).

Kellyn showing tonight that she is a terrible reader of people. Dom was such a boss when he immediately responded to Kellyn's paranoia with a lolno Mike doesn't have an idol.

If Kellyn had thought it through for one minute instead of freaking out, it would've occurred to her that IF Michael had an idol, he would've told Laurel, so that their two votes together would've been enough to get out a Naviti.

Kellyn reminds me of Andrea (obviously not in looks) in that she seems to have a pretty level head, but then once her name starts getting thrown around she ****ing loses her **** like a maniac.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what she thought. Hence why she decided to use her double vote. She can't trust anything Laurel tells her. I think in her mind the worst case scenario was a 2-2-2 tie and Dom and Wendell would break it in her favour. I think given the situation Kellyn played it as best she could have. As far as we know she is in the dark regarding who has idols and given that Michael has previously found 2 it's not a stretch to think he has another one.

On the other hand Laurel should have been pretty comfortable. She knows that Dom, Wendell and Donathon all have idols and given that Michael didn't show her a new idol it would seem a safe assumption to assume he doesn't have one. I think her vote for Kellyn was much worse than Kellyn's two votes for her.

But Michael went to Kellyn, so why would Kellyn think that he would also go to Laurel? That would've negating him going to Kellyn. The fact that he came to her (Kellyn) means that he DIDN'T go to Laurel.

Play to win the gsme, not come in 4th. It seemed pretty obvious it was Jenna before the results were read.

I don't see how that doesn't mean he didn't also go to Laurel. If he gets both to vote against each other that's two votes not going to him. So it's logical for Kellyn to think that he also talked to Laurel especially seeing as in her mind things are still pretty much split Naviti and Malolo.

I'd be super wary if the person who you think is going home comes up and tells you that everyone told them that they were getting voted out. I think he definitely could have done much more to use the idol and not playing it. Especially given it was the former super idol.

Michael really came up with nothing in that IC, which he knew he needed to win. Pretty terrible showing by him there. Still like the kid, I think he will definitely be back for an all star season.

Also I'm not sure how, if you're Micheal or Laurel, you don't just vote for the other and hope. Tossing a pointless vote towards one of the other 3 seems like a waste.

I feel like they keep highlight Dom's soul reads, seems to be getting a winner edit.

Pretty sure the F4 is Dom/Wendell/Laurel/Donathan, but that Kellyn thinks she's there at #3 with Dom/Wendell. She has no clue that not only is she the bottom of the group, she's a dupe and a pawn. The season's entertainment level at this point hinges on whether or not Laurel decides to make a move against the Dom/Wendell power, and if so, at what point.

This is where the firemaking at F4 actually starts causing you to need to make moves earlier. Ideally, she could wait until F5, and then rally Donathan and whoever else is left vs Dom/Wendell. The problem is now, at F4, you have to beat the most athletic person left in both immunity and firemaking to get them out.

re: Michael

seems like you guys completely forgot about his conversation with kellyn. His plan was to vote Wendell out with her. She asked if he’s telling laurel anything and he said “god, no.”

so you don’t need to speculate about these things

and there was absolutely no way for Michael to know that kellyn would be giving 2 votes to laurel. it’s pretty results oriented to say he misplayed

he was going home 95% of the time there. he came up with a play and got kellyn to at least believe he had an idol. there wasn’t much more he could’ve done to save himself.

Those situations weren't comparable at all. The other 3 were rock solid and there was no sense it was a divided vote.

Kellyn definitely realizes it. Why do you think she went away from the group consensus and tried to vote Laurel off?

As Stephen says, he should have ASKED Kellyn who she wanted out and offered to work with her. If they had really compared notes they could have realized they both wanted (or at least OK) with Laurel going home. Kellyn understands that Laurel is blocking her "spot". Michael should be in anybody but me mode.

Seemed like a planned 2-2 split to me and they just didnt show us kellyn talking to Dom/wendall about it. Dom and Wendall didnt seemed shocked when there was a tie

usually ya, but he was representing that he had an idol. it probably wouldn’t be that believable if he’s using it just to get laurel voted out. otherwise there would be no point in approaching kellyn in the first place since his idol could do the work by itself

the biggest lack of communication this episode was between donathan and Dom/Wendell. they could have credibly assured him he was safe, and he wouldn’t have to use his idol. although it obviously could’ve backfired if he used it on jenna instead

but he could’ve just innocently went up to them and acted worried about going home to see how they’d react. they obv have a lot of influence and would likely make sure jenna was being voted out. or at least let him know if he’s in trouble

I thought the Kellyn hate itt was a little over the top but wow she came across paranoid and irrational this episode. Even if Michael had an idol she should realize Michael has much more to gain from taking out Wendell, and not unnecessarily burn bridges.

I guess Jenna was using basic prisoner's dilemma logic as a reason to vote Donothan but it seems like the logic does not work for this scenario. Maybe I'm wrong.

it doesn’t because it was safe to assume the 3 naviti votes would all be the same, so her and donathan’s votes were irrelevant unless the idol nullified the votes. but in that case, the other Malolo wouldn’t be in danger. so there was really no benefit

if donathan uses the idol on jenna, donathan goes home.

jenna honestly benefits from donathan leaving. get the malolo group out of the game. be one of the last one or two standing and join in when the navitis eat each other.

that would also be a great tv moment to vote him out with his idol

I think Dom/Wendell are better off having that idol out of the game. Imagine if Donathan decided at F8 that he needs to turn on Dom/Wendell (he does) and comes up with a random plan that may or may not have other players' support. At tribal council he plays the idol for whoever Dom/Wendell told him to vote for. They now are very suss of Donathan and they are forced to play their idols, given that they have no idea what's happening. Now their massive advantage of holding two idols is gone.

I was saying from donathan’s pov, not Dom/Wendell’s. I meant he could’ve easily had that conversation without revealing the fact that he had an idol or making them suspicious about it

KeLOLyn is lol. Haven't read through thread since last ep, but even if Michael has an idol, is KeLOLyn ever going home? Sure Michael votes Dom or Wendell instead of her there.

Apparently Jenna and Sebastian are dating and shes still with him even after he just orchestrated her going home even after promising hed keep her around to see her dad the next day lol.

According to Jenna's exit interview, they are engaged.

Never would have thought a Trumper and a Hippy Surfer dude would have been a couple but i guess Survivor changes you in some serious ways.