we also have not seen an entire tribe go to tribal yet. so its pretty hard to judge anyone there when they haven't had a chance to do anything strategical.

this is one of the problems with returning players though. it focuses so much on them, and people's relationships with the returning players, rather than developing the new characters. it's harder to stand out on these seasons. and especially with the 1 hour premiere instead of 1.5-2 hour premiere.

and then it's just bad luck that we had two virtually unanimous votes as the first two. that does not mean they will all be that way. it's just that reem and keith both stuck out. it is way too soon to judge the casting of the season

I liked the Keith cliffhanger followed by checking back in on Reem, a unique and better than usual way to end the show.

I think Wentworth is the cutest but the brunette is the sexiest

I was getting a very Dreams-like vibe off of him and thought it might be worth it to lose Wentworth just to see him stab that helping-him-swim guy in the back later on down the road.

I din't really want to lose Wentworth, but these returning players seem to be drawing so slim--no point in getting too attached. The past few seasons of survivor have been cast with a lot of players who want to win, or at minimum want to make their argument. They don't want these known sneaky returning players messing up their games and/or stealing their airtime. It's a testament to Reem's abrasiveness and Keith's poor performances in challenges that they were voted off before returning players.

Blue haired girl really digging in and trying to scramble. She's much more dangerous to Wardog and company than Wentworth is.

I can't help but be a little proud of Wentworth for being someone's meat shield. Go girl.

I'm assuming that he does eventually decide to go to EI, but then again, I'm assuming that almost everybody does, barring medical reasons, emergencies, etc. My comments still stand. Anyone who wants to play Survivor and go on the show shouldn't have a hard time with this decision, even if they do eventually decide to keep playing.

It kinda does though, it shows his gut reaction and immediate feelings. For example, there's a pretty big difference between: "Will you marry me?" A) "OMG Yes of course!" and B) "Hmmm, what do I do, oh God, please help me make this tough decision."

Yeah, nothing against him personally, and I'm probably coming off too strong on this. Don't mean to come off as too antagonistic. Just my two cents, feel free to disregard.

Reem tho. That's the level of marveling that I expect, and then a snap-yes. To each their own though.


This is probably true for most of them, but historically, every season with a mix of returning players and newbies, a returning player has made it to the end, even when there were only 2 or 3 returnees. Times have changed, but I still think one of the returnees may make it deep.

Yeah, Wendy might be dangerous if she scrambles correctly, but once she locks in, I agree with them that she would be loyal to the end and a useful ally. Wentworth will flip whenever it suits her.

She's a stud.

Cause Keith is the nut worst. I really hope after all his please god's he decided not to go.

Why is david always looking like he rolled around in dirt for hours while other people look quite clean?

Bad in what sense?

I lol'ed.

Maybe he's digging up stuff or hiding fake advantages and things!

Listing someone's results is a lolterrible way to gauge how good of a player they are because you're not taking any context into the equation. ESPECIALLY a 2nd place finish, which is actually very often indicative that they're a goat which is WHY they were brought to the end and why they ended up 2nd. I'm not saying that this applies to Aubry at all, just saying that her getting a 4th and 2nd tells me nothing about her gameplay.

Now, my memory isn't great with the specifics of her seasons and what she did or didn't do, but I seem to remember that she was overall competent, but didn't necessarily do anything that made me remember her as an actually pretty good player.

Would you like to make an argument for why she's a good player based on her actions and words?

Because if we're just going to yell scoreboard, then I suppose we should just crown Sandra as the GOAT.

So... based on THIS season, it's a pretty socially inept move imo for her to approach her tribe mates with "Hey so what do you guys think about me being here?"

I listed her results as a shortcut instead of having to explain to you why an obviously good player is good. If you don’t think Aubry was good her first two seasons, you don’t know anything about survivor. And her 2nd place finish is probably one of the most controversial jury results of all time

And you are wrong in taking this analogy to Sandra. The analogy would be if you said Sandra isn’t a good player and I said well she won twice. In which case it would be a perfectly viable argument. Because you didn’t set the bar with Aubry as a top 5/10/20 player, you said she isn’t even good. Her results prove otherwise without even requiring further explanation

and lol at even suggesting Aubry was a goat on her first season

Your reading comprehension needs work.

1. I never said she isn't even good. I said it's possible that if we scrutinize her gameplay, we might find that she ain't that great. I also fully admitted that I don't remember the specifics of her seasons, but I remember her being competent but not necessarily standing out as great.

2. I never suggested that Aubry was a goat and I even specifically said so. I was making a point that judging the quality of a player based on their results and without any context is ridiculous, even something as high as a 2nd place, since 2nd place could ALSO indicate that the player was actually a goat. I literally followed that up saying that I was NOT implying that Aubry was a goat.

Can you actually please provide some specific examples of good moves she made in her first two seasons? I mean, with final 4 and final 2 finishes, there must be a ton of examples. Please point out a few?

Survivor is full of winners and almost winners who never really made a move at all and literally sucked their way through the game *cough* Sandra *cough* Natalie *cough*. The only reason Sandra even won her first season is because Lillian is an idiot up there with the Asian dude who took the obvious winner to FTC (can't remember his name).

Agree with all of this X 1000.

Asian guy was Woo.

Sort of sad, because he seemed like a little kid (and his awkward walk reminds me of my grandson).

May also have to do with watching the show with my wife and she tends to react emotionally.

Sandra was great at staying under the radar, not backing down from fights with people without getting them to try them vote her off out of spite, and remaining very well liked while remaining true to a somewhat harsh personality. I would say that, with the possible exceptions of Parvati and Yul, she’s also the best there’s ever been at handling tribal council questions.

mine needs work? because I already said my response of “lol sure” was appropriate and that I used her 2nd/4th place as a shortcut because I don’t need to explain why an obviously good player is obviously good, and yet here you are asking me to provide specific examples. I was clear that I did not want to “make an argument” that she’s good because it’s obvious and does not need to be debated, least of all with someone who knows nothing about her game in the first place

your argument is that you don’t remember her. great. so you admit you don’t know what you’re talking about

one finish might not, but two deep runs should tell you she has done something right. in addition to the universal respect she gets from pretty much everyone in the survivor world

no dude, I’m not gonna do the work for you when your entire argument is that you don’t remember her. you have brought nothing to the table to argue against. if you actually truly care about the answer to this question, you can google her seasons and read the summaries yourself. I’m not doing that for you when it’s obvious

it would be like if I asked you why Boston Rob is good, and you said well duh he dominated a season. and then I said well just because someone wins once that doesn’t mean they’re good without context, so instead go back through his seasons for me and lay out specific actions he took to explain to me why he’s good

like no, **** off. do that yourself. you don’t even remember anything or have any points against her. so I’m not doing that.

The reason why your reading comprehension is terrible is because you accused me of saying things I never said. You accused me of saying that Aubry is a goat, when I explicitly said that I was absolutely not implying that at all. You accused me of saying that Aubry wasn't even good, when I very clearly was saying that she might not be great.

If you asked me to tell you why Boston Rob was great and I told you that he dominated his season, and you responded to please go into detail, I would gladly. I would tell you about how he established himself as the alpha of his tribe, to the point that all of the other tribes mates were practically intimidated into even communicating with the other tribe, lest they be seen as a traitor. He made them come to him with any information they had.

I don't know why you're being such a **** about this. These threads are RIFE with posters re-litigating moments from past seasons, and debating the merits of their moves, and how they could have done them better. I mean... just a couple posts up, someone gave some insight into why they thought Sandra was one of the best by talking about aspects of her gameplay. We do this all the time.

There have been a gazillion seasons of this show now. I have seen every single episode, but I have to admit that what I've retained over the past 10 seasons isn't as detailed as older seasons (especially ones that have been talked about to death like HvV1 & 2, etc.)

A few of the past seasons have also not necessarily stood out, and even when someone mentions a season and their winner, it takes me a moment to be like "Who? Oh... right. That guy." I also know that I'm not alone in this. Even within the first few pages of this young thread, posters have said that they didn't necessarily remember much about some of the returning players and asked for reminders, and we have obliged. No one has responded with "LOL I'm not gonna do your homework for you bro! Go watch their season yourself!"

Seriously, stop being such a ****wad. It's not a good look.

why should the burden of proof be on me when you’re the one making a contrarian claim? how about you scrutinize her gameplay and get back to me?

idgaf about whether you think Aubry is good or not, and don’t need to have a huge argument about it when you can’t be bothered to look up anything yourself. If you had come to the thread with actual points and legitimate criticisms of her gameplay, then we could have a discussion. but you don’t even have a starting point

and you’re literally doing the same thing you’re accusing me of in terms of reading comprehension

Burden of proof? jfc man we're talking about contestants on a reality show. Why are you so heated up about this?

The "contrarian" claim I'm making is that Aubry might not be great. Oh the controversy! The scandal!! The gall to make such a claim! By the way, I think many in this thread actually agree with me so I don't even think it constitutes as contrarian.

Clearly you give a huge **** about what I think about Aubry. What's the deal? You have a thing for her or something? I get it, we all have celebrity crushes but yours is coming off like you've got an Aubry shrine in your basement.

How am I doing the same thing as you as far as lack of reading comprehension? I've already given different examples of how you completely misconstrued my words. At what point did I misconstrue yours?

I fear I just might not be engaging with a very intelligent person here, or a troll. I challenge you to provide some type of substance in your post if you choose to respond again, since you're pretty close to proving me right.

lol

Thank you for verifying.

Survivor brings out the best in twoplustwo

pre-med student doesnt understand freeroll

It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.

That's what the producers wanted for this game. It gives the returning players a shield so they can get their footing in the game.

They don't want David, Wentworth, Aubry, and especially Joe to be the first 4 boots.