There can't be a very many survivor contestants that have had two courses in negotiations.

What?

Do you think it is good to play poker with your hand showing? Angelina does, obviously.

The other super cringe moment from her was a few episodes ago when she said something like "I tried to relate to Lyrsa by reminding her we are both Latino"

She's a female David Brent/Michael Scott

I was thinking the only chance she had was a F3 with Angela and Carl. Now she's the 2nd best goat next to Angela.

it was somehow more fun when people were arguing if she's hot or not

You are a pure level one thinker. To you, lots of stuff has lots of value. Here is a hint, that’s not the case here.

I’m no fan of her and on this cast she is at the bottom in my mind for sure but not at all because her her well-reasoned and successful negotiation with Jeff.

LOL @ "successful"

If she had just asked for rice Jeff would have said "okay but someone's gotta sit this challenge out" and she'd have raised her hand and then that entire segment would have been over, including her talking about herself for the rest of the episode.

Instead she comes in "hey jeff I've decided on giving away a bunch of our stuff if you will give us some rice, unless you have a counter offer. Do you? No? You haven't thought about this huh? Ok, well you can take all that AND we'll go into this challenge at a disadvantage" and Jeff goes "ok". And Angelina is all "swish!"

We get it. You have never seen the show before.

I think the simple fact she would cry before, during and after sex would make it a moot point.

How many times do you need to see survivor to spot a cringe conversation when you see one? How much TV do you need to understand Angelina has an AIDS personality and that she was super aggravating about the whole thing?

I also loved when Alison said "great negotiation, Angelina."

No one respects her except you. LOL

Gabby would do same

LOL if you think that is why people are criticizing her negotiation skills.

For the record her skills are fine. But, when you come out acting as an authority on the subject because you have taken two classes and then make some very basic mistakes you deserve all the criticism that will be directed at you.

1. She weakly suggested Jeff make the first offer while having the subtext that she would make the offer if he didn't want to. This makes her look desperate. She was not coming from a position of strength and should have committed to anchoring the negotiation by having an opening offer.

2. Her opening offer was like ~90% of the tools they had at camp. Leaving her very little room to negotiate.

3. She saw the negotiation as a zero sum game and didn't acknowledge that Jeff & the remaining contestants could align interests. Tired and exhausted people make for bad television which is something she should have mentioned.

4. Before an offer had been accepted, she admitted that her offer was a low ball and "that's what you're supposed to do in a negotiation."

5. Her offer was too long-winded and not conducive to a verbal offer on a TV show. (Ironically, this worked in her favor as Jeff didn't want to deal with the lengthy back-and-forths.)


Jeff let her off the hook because she was vulnerable and she put herself out there which he admires.

But, to act like she has negotiating strategy mastered is absurd. When you talk a big game you should back it up.

She also hadnt eaten a meal or slept in a bed for three weeks

Taking two classes on negation puts her in the top 0.00000000001% in terms of skills when compared to the average person.

This is fair. Also, I like her for the most part. I admire her determination. I just think she has moments of zero self awareness.

After looking at her face as she walked to tribal council last week and seeing the previews for the upcoming week, I'm waiting for her to drop her limp and stalk down the beach while lighting her cigarette. She turns the corner and gets in her limo and drives away with the million.

How has Davie been playing better than Christian when Christian has the majority of the cross tribal relationships in addition to being in center of the information flow amidst the Davids on top of he just pulled the Carl right out from under Davie? Mind you, I think they've both been playing well, but I'd give edge to Christian on the singular matter of he's well liked by Davids and Goliaths alike--other stuff notwithstanding.

well really if you think about it, Christian only has to make f4 now that there’s the firemaking challenge. and he has an idol, so he really only has to make f5. and no one knows he has an idol. he could conceivably sneak through another vote or two without needing to win immunity, and then he’d only have to win the f6 or f5 immunity, plus fire. it’s not that unlikely

well, I made that post before the last episode...

2. this is false. she offered a lot of quantity, but very little quality. the stuff she offered had very little value to them

1 and 4. these are both explained by her explaining she wanted to keep Jeff at the table. she was showing a willingness to negotiate. this was part of her strategy. you literally criticize her for showing “desperation” but then say the deal got done because she was “vulnerable.” those are the same thing and is what she planned

3. now you think she should have encouraged Jeff to not give them rice? this makes 0 sense

5. this sounds like a good thing for her, not a bad thing

tell me more about the “very basic mistakes” she made

Her mistakes were covered up by the fact that Jeff wanted to help them.

In a real adversarial negotiation, here's how it goes:

Angelina: We offer a bunch of flotsam we don't use.
Jeff: Sorry, that offer isn't even close. Try again.
Angelina: Flotsam, plus useful stuff.
Jeff: Counter offer: everything you have, everyone with an idol forfeits it, and all but 2 people sit out.
Angelina: this isn't how it goes at Yale

Jeff gains nothing from this negotiation. It "went well" because Jeff wanted it to go well, not because of anything she did.

This is the correct answer.

I think we’ve seen enough breadcrumbs that this is possible.

It would be a real test of the community if this great season ends with a dud. (Not that i think gabby is a dud)

Here’s a newsflash. It’s not a “real negotiation”. Nothing in this scenario even closely resembles reality. It was a scene of television

Exactly. It’s also why her offering lots of stuff was perfect because first level thinkers, which is most viewers and many it, will be like “whoa what a trade”.