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11-29-2018 , 11:16 AM
Good effort by the editors but the first hour was unexciting. There was no way, after fighting for weeks to get the numbers back, that the Davids were going to hand the numbers back to the Goliaths immediately. Sucks for Alec but he didn't exactly scramble excellently - wasting his time talking Allison and Mike who are already with him.

Second hour was a lot more interesting. Christian is in a tricky spot in trying to carry his overly emotional goat with him who is completely clueless about her actual spot in the game, and next week's preview is crazy. He already made a shaky move this week voting out Carl just to appease her.

I'd also chalk this up as one of the worst single episode performances of all time for Carl - skipped challenge for food (which juries never respect), dictated to alliance, got drunk and dictated to alliance again, and then got voted out with numbers despite being no social or challenge threat at F9.

I did give the unintentional comedy award to Angelina for trying to say "It's not a big deal and I don't want it to be a big deal" regarding the rice negotation (when she clearly wants everyone to think it's a big deal). Calling it a point on her resume is ludicrous - no jury has ever sat around going "well, you were in the minority and got lots of votes, but at least you sat out a challenge because you wanted some rice for the tribe. Here's a million dollars.".
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11-29-2018 , 11:25 AM
But she took not one but TWO negotiation classes!

I really can’t wait until she’s gone.
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11-29-2018 , 11:26 AM
Probst should've made 2 ppl sit out immunity.
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11-29-2018 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by brianr
But she took not one but TWO negotiation classes!

I really can’t wait until she’s gone.
Nah she's a f3 goat
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11-29-2018 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Punker
Good effort by the editors but the first hour was unexciting. There was no way, after fighting for weeks to get the numbers back, that the Davids were going to hand the numbers back to the Goliaths immediately. Sucks for Alec but he didn't exactly scramble excellently - wasting his time talking Allison and Mike who are already with him.
I mean, that immunity challenge was one of the best of all time. not sure how you can say the episode was ‘unexciting.’ And there wasn’t much Alec could do as the main physical threat. You also missed him talking to Christian

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Second hour was a lot more interesting. Christian is in a tricky spot in trying to carry his overly emotional goat with him who is completely clueless about her actual spot in the game, and next week's preview is crazy. He already made a shaky move this week voting out Carl just to appease her.
How exactly was Gabby ‘completely clueless’ about her actual spot in the game? Seriously. Her alliance was lying to her about the vote. On top of that, they wanted to vote out Alison, her closest ally other than Christian. I don’t see how you can criticize Gabby whatsoever for this episode. She also knew exactly what was going on and what everyone was doing, so I don’t see how she was clueless.

And there were more reasons for Christian voting out Carl than just to appease Gabby. First, we have seen him much closer to Alison than Carl. Second, Carl was very close with both Davie and Nick — a big concern if he was planning an all-david final 5. That would be putting quite a lot of trust in Nick to take him to the end. It makes plenty of sense to break that up in favor of keeping a close ally in Allison. At the most basic level, Christian was not the decision maker of the David’s. He also noted that he wouldn’t get credit because Carl was getting the credit. So there were many more dimensions to that decision than just appeasing Gabby.

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I'd also chalk this up as one of the worst single episode performances of all time for Carl - skipped challenge for food (which juries never respect), dictated to alliance, got drunk and dictated to alliance again, and then got voted out with numbers despite being no social or challenge threat at F9.
This is a pretty classic case where it’s much easier to play from behind than ahead. Textbook example of how not to talk to your allies (and your enemies, for that matter).

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Originally Posted by Punker
I did give the unintentional comedy award to Angelina for trying to say "It's not a big deal and I don't want it to be a big deal" regarding the rice negotation (when she clearly wants everyone to think it's a big deal). Calling it a point on her resume is ludicrous - no jury has ever sat around going "well, you were in the minority and got lots of votes, but at least you sat out a challenge because you wanted some rice for the tribe. Here's a million dollars.".
I think she played that well actually. It was good how she subtly brought it up at TC to let the jurors know what happened, without sounding like she bragged about it. Plus she was right in knowing she didn’t need that immunity anyways. And it seemed like they legitimately needed rice. Obviously this won’t singlehandedly make the difference on whether a jury votes for her or not, but it is a nice tiny little resume builder. And it was smart of her to downplay it to the tribe — even if it’s obvious to us what she’s doing because of her confessionals, that doesn’t mean her tribemates see it the same way. Davie seemed pretty happy with her, and Carl too.
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11-29-2018 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by brianr
But she took not one but TWO negotiation classes!
At Yale!
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11-29-2018 , 02:16 PM
Gabby- great play. Don’t think it gets her jury votes and she is likely to blow herself up anyway.

Christian- think he got stuck here. Probably better for him to
Keep Carl in play for another week or two. Problem is that if they wait nick/Davie/carl could run the endgame. So if their potential allies are the ones to go, then maybe it makes sense now. Jury is out for me. Phenomenal immunity win.

No idea how Mike or Kara have a path to win.
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11-29-2018 , 02:45 PM
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I'd also chalk this up as one of the worst single episode performances of all time for Carl - skipped challenge for food (which juries never respect), dictated to alliance, got drunk and dictated to alliance again, and then got voted out with numbers despite being no social or challenge threat at F9.
You didn't mention his most egregious mistake, which was discussing voting Alec out with the other Goliaths, and then doing it AGAIN when discussing voting Alison. He didn't need them for numbers at all, and had any of them had an HII either time, they could have just given it to the target and flipped the game. Oddly none of the Davids seemed to take issue with Carl flopping this. Only Christian and Gabby took exception to him being "bossy".

I couldn't help but racistly notice that Kara picked both black guys for a challenge that required dunking basketballs to win fried chicken. WP Kara.
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11-29-2018 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jcohen
I mean, that immunity challenge was one of the best of all time. not sure how you can say the episode was ‘unexciting.’ And there wasn’t much Alec could do as the main physical threat. You also missed him talking to Christian
I mean solely in terms of who was going to be voted out.

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How exactly was Gabby ‘completely clueless’ about her actual spot in the game? Seriously. Her alliance was lying to her about the vote. On top of that, they wanted to vote out Alison, her closest ally other than Christian. I don’t see how you can criticize Gabby whatsoever for this episode. She also knew exactly what was going on and what everyone was doing, so I don’t see how she was clueless.
She thinks she has a chance to win and she's influencing things, but she's only still alive and has any idea what's going on because Christian is keeping her sort of stable and telling her. If Christian had been "hmm, she's kinda annoying and has weird ears" and gone with the plan, she'd have been voted out in an avalanche of tears at tribal. Maybe I'm being overly influenced by next week's preview where it seems like she doesn't realize that without Christian, she's chum in the water.

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I think she played that well actually. It was good how she subtly brought it up at TC to let the jurors know what happened, without sounding like she bragged about it. Plus she was right in knowing she didn’t need that immunity anyways. And it seemed like they legitimately needed rice. Obviously this won’t singlehandedly make the difference on whether a jury votes for her or not, but it is a nice tiny little resume builder. And it was smart of her to downplay it to the tribe — even if it’s obvious to us what she’s doing because of her confessionals, that doesn’t mean her tribemates see it the same way. Davie seemed pretty happy with her, and Carl too.
I'm sure her tribemates see it exactly for what it was - her trying to call attention to something she did. Saying "I don't want to make a big deal out of it" instead of just something like "hey no problem, thanks for not voting me out so I didn't feel like an idiot" is the problem.
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11-29-2018 , 02:59 PM
I can't decide if I want to see Gabby do a Brazzers episode or drown in a shallow pond.

Maybe both?
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11-29-2018 , 03:00 PM
Christian’s 2+hr? Filibuster during the challenge was epic. He’s my favorite character in a long time.
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11-29-2018 , 03:08 PM
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Nah she's a f3 goat
I pray this happens so we can see her answering jury questions.

I actually think she is a kind of smart overachiever who puts her mind to something and gets things done. She just doesn't have the social awareness to understand how she is coming across.

Although, she did made three obvious mistakes in a 30 second negotiation. Which is saying something coming from a Yale MBA who has taken Advanced Negotiations!!
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11-29-2018 , 03:11 PM
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At Yale!
She reminds me of that old joke: How do you know someone went to Yale? Just wait, they'll tell you.
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11-29-2018 , 03:55 PM
Not to mention that Harvard MBA: Yale MBA = Harvard undergrad : Villanova undergrad
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11-29-2018 , 04:01 PM
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I can't decide if I want to see Gabby do a Brazzers episode or drown in a shallow pond.

Maybe both?
A whole new genre. Dead pony snuff.
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11-29-2018 , 04:42 PM
I like Angelina. Gets the haters mad.
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11-29-2018 , 09:59 PM
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I couldn't help but racistly notice that Kara picked both black guys for a challenge that required dunking basketballs to win fried chicken. WP Kara.
Kara also said "I'm calling a spade a spade" when talking about Carl.
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11-29-2018 , 10:37 PM
for gabby to win...

does anyone really disagree she’d have to turn on Christian at some point? it goes without saying she’d have no chance against him at the end. therefore, she needs to turn on him first. not sure how that makes her clueless. it’s not about who has helped her up until this point, it’s about the best winning chance moving forward
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11-29-2018 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ComfyPillows21
Kara's island hotness is really in full effect right now
her hair is bomb
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11-29-2018 , 10:57 PM
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surprised to see mason dixon alliance voting separately
yeah it's interesting for sure. Christian must correctly assume Nick will go to f3 with Carl & Davie
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11-29-2018 , 11:01 PM
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Gabby- great play. Don’t think it gets her jury votes and she is likely to blow herself up anyway.

Christian- think he got stuck here. Probably better for him to
Keep Carl in play for another week or two. Problem is that if they wait nick/Davie/carl could run the endgame. So if their potential allies are the ones to go, then maybe it makes sense now. Jury is out for me. Phenomenal immunity win.

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This is true. Alison being the target is HUGE. and the goliaths wanting to leave Gabby out is icing.

If Alison remained in the game, Christian and gabby couldve made this move at 7. but without Alison, Christian's flipability is weakened
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11-29-2018 , 11:02 PM
the dunking was awesome. Davie went Zion Williamson on that hoop. and Nick was like Pistol Pete
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11-29-2018 , 11:20 PM
I hope Angelina's negotiations professor retroactively fails her after seeing that **** show with Jeff.
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11-30-2018 , 12:54 AM
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I hope Angelina's negotiations professor retroactively fails her after seeing that **** show with Jeff.
I don’t get why this is the consensus when the tribe didn’t have to give up anything. all she had to do was sit out — which she already showed was worth the price of nachos in the previous challenge. and now they have rice for the rest of the season. seems like a decent negotiation to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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11-30-2018 , 02:17 AM
If christian did something similar, people would be creaming themselves. Luckily for christian, he’s not a woman
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