What does everybody think about the storylines we were given from the other 2 tribes that didn't go to tribal council?

1) Will Alison actually end up blindsiding Dan, or will it backfire against her and put her in danger, or will it turn out to be nothing?

2) Will the Elizabeth vs Carl (and Davie?) feud end up being important? Do they split sides, and does one end up being instrumental in voting the other out?

It's tough to predict when it seems like a no brainer to vote a certain way and then the vote goes the other way. Nick shouldn't have to convince Mike of anything. It was totally in Mike's best interests to vote Angelina out and keep Lyrsa. He's in denial if he thinks he's really a Goliath. He's David all day and he was in position to give David's the majority while having his own solid 3 person alliance within the bigger group. Who is Mike's alliance on the Goliath side? This vote was bizarre. Angelina is a known snake and Lyrsa seemed like someone who would be loyal.

Why should he care if the Goliaths realize he isn't with them if the Davids have the majority? Besides Goliaths are notorious for targeting each other once a merge happens. Heck, in this particular instance, they've ALREADY done so on two of the three tribes who had to go to tribal council. And the doctor chic was contemplating a blindside of Dan and his idols on the third tribe.

Unless Mike was in some sort of solid position within the Goliath tribe and I just missed it, I have to disagree that this decision was correct. Mike isn't the type who is traditionally a high priority vote off for Davids OR Goliaths come a merge, but he could have been three strong within the David group with room to maneuver and possibly direct things for himself. Do the Goliaths offer him that? And if they do, can he beat the people he'd be aligned with in anything?

It shouldn't be a factor because the men in your tribe are Nick and Mike so you are drawing so slim in the challenges it doesn't matter which worthless in the challenges women you decide to keep around. In other words, I see your 'these women are equally worthless' and raise you a 'that pales in comparison to how outgunned the men are'.

Nick seems to be good at carnival games, but if there is any strength component to the challenges, this poor tribe is just screwed no matter what.

First off, we don't really know too much about how the mini-alliances break down among the Goliaths. We know certain players that have bonded, but we don't really know too much about who is aligned with whom. Aside from our own personal takes that Mike is more of a "David", we have no idea how much he is liked or disliked by his Goliaths. Even though he's not a "bro" like the other guys, he may still be one of the most liked. I mean... Christian sure is. So we just don't know.

Having said that, Mike has no idea what the dynamics are like back on the David tribe. He's really only solid with Nick. He's not a "solid 3" with Lyrsa. Is it possible that Nick has told him about the dynamics on the David tribe? Is it possible that he, Nick, and Lyrsa talked about being a solid 3, and trying to make a run with the David tribe to get the 3 of them to the finals once they merge? Yeah, anything's possible. But we haven't seen that at all, so it would be pure speculation on our parts to think of what was best for Mike by making the assumption that those things have happened.


With the previous two votes, the Goliaths can justify voting out their own because of the specifics of the situations. Dan can claim that she was just getting way too paranoid. Mike and Angelina can claim that Natalie was driving them ****ing nuts. As far as all Goliaths are concerned, there's no reason to feel like they couldn't all still continue to be Goliath strong and stick together. But had Mike voted for Angelina, he would be sending the message loud and clear that he has officially flipped towards the Davids.

I suppose he could try to come up with a justification for it such as how she'd shown herself to be a snake, but it's putting a lot of faith in his fellow Goliaths believing him, having now voted off back to back Goliaths (and by doing so, putting them at a 7-6 disadvantage). This way, he still has an alliance with Nick, but can still claim Goliath loyalty.


In other words, he still has the option to flip to Davids if he wants, without having telegraphed at all that he has done so.


The bros+Christian+Nick+Mike would be a pretty great final 5 to root for.

She looks attractive there, but her body looks way different from the island so it isn't a fair comparison. The photo is either heavily filtered or she dropped ~20 lbs. and it just flew right off her butt/thighs. Probably a combo of losing a bunch of weight on the island then continuing to work out at home.

People gaining weight before Survivor? Unheard of...

I think a Nick/Mike/Angelina team would have a chance. There’s a lot of variance in challenges and you only need to no finish last. And since the last comp had a huge strength component, it’s unlikely the next one would’ve. A lot of challenges you are only as good as your weakest link, and then it depends on the carnival or puzzle performance. Between Nick and Angelina, they’d actually be strong at the carnival or puzzle component that ends most challenges. So I do think it would make a significant difference if they were to have another challenge whether it was Angelina or Lyrsa.

I don’t think Nick is bad at challenges, but yes I obviously agree that Mike is outgunned in just about anything. I think Angelina is above average in comps tbh, she is really good at communication (in challenges, not necessarily back at camp), which is often important. And she has strong determination/focus/attitude which matters. And of course puzzle solving.

Now that we go to individual immunities, it’ll be interesting to see who’s good. The last couple seasons, a lot of these comps have favored women (or at least that’s how the results have played out). Usually balance is a big component. So people like Alison and Angelina might be among the best. Overly muscular people don’t usually do too well. Christian might even be pretty good since he is such a puzzle/strategy stud. Nick could be good too.

It is a good point that Mike has no reason to appease the goliaths when he was at or near the bottom originally. But he probably thinks he’d be just as poorly positioned with the Davids, considering Nick and Lyrsa are the only ones he knows. It didn’t seem like Nick and Lyrsa were particularly close anyways. I think Angelina is probably a better ally for him and also keeps his options open going into the merge rather than burning bridges. He could still flip to the davids if he wants, but he might as well keep all sides open. He should have some longevity in the game since he’s not a challenge threat.

It’s hard to predict how this merge will play out since there have been cross alliances on all three tribes. Which makes it exciting. The goliaths seem more fractured though. People like Alec and Allison are openly plotting against them (by openly I mean in confession for Alison, and Alec already made his move obviously). But then again, people like Davie and Carl might not want to stick with the David’s since they were on the wrong side of the first vote. It almost feels like the second tribes will stick more than the first. at least for green and purple

I'm pretty sure Mike had a confessional in one of the earlier episodes where he said he considered himself more of a David. But regardless, even if its only my personal take that he he'd fit better and have more of a chance of having a say in things with Christian, Gabby, Mike, Lyrsa and maybe pick up that doctor chick from the Goliaths that doesn't mean I'm not right. I'm supposed to speculate that he'd be in a better position with Angelina, Slamtown, Dan, Dan's blond number, and Alec? Are those people his crowd? Angelina and company are going to let Mike have a say going forward? I have a hard time speculating that. I speculate these people will be vying for control of the game with each other or against each other and they won't be consulting Mike for his opinion--just his vote.

Why did I speculate Lyrsa, Mike, and Nick could be a solid 3 moving forward? I was shown how they bonded a bit over being in this tribe together, dealing with the negativity of Natalie, trying to win challenges. Mike and Nick both confessionaled that they liked being aligned with each other. I was shown a bit of Lyrsa's character with her reaction to Angelina trying to angle for everyone's jackets. She was offended on a personal integrity level. I speculate Lyrsa once embraced by Mike and Nick would have been loyal to their group. Putting myself in Mike's shoes, I would not speculate Lyrsa was the mastermind of some previous group of Davids, nor would I surmise she might try to take control of some future group of people. She's just not the type. Unlike Angelina.

Maybe Mike does not enjoy having to make proactive decisions and prefers other people to be in control of things. If so, keeping the sharky A-type personality and voting off the mouse was probably the correct move. Mind you, I'm just speculating on the nature of Angelina and Lyrsa's characters. I could be way off.

It's pretty simple, Mike knew 2 Davids and 6 Goliaths. He felt that he could trust and work with more Goliaths than Davids. It's either: put almost your entire game into Nick's hands, or have a bunch of options and relationships you can work with.

From what we've seen I do think it would've been better for Mike to vote Angelina over Lyrsa. The Davids seem more fractured than the Goliaths so I think he'd have more agency there in the long term. He could have even said he stuck with Angelina, they went to rocks/fire and she lost for the first vote at the merge until his cards are revealed (but better to just be honest and get his strong Goliath allies to flip with him).

I too was blindsided by the edit. I thought Lyrsa and Nick were the stronger pair, forcing one of the others to flip, most likely Mike. But I don't know how I feel about it all - it just feels like they intentionally left out huge portions of the strategy talk as a result. I think people put too much emphasis on being surprised by the vote, to the detriment of not understanding the actual dynamics. Same time, it's a TV show. Hard line to draw but think this one was over the line... a Genius like flashback may be best

It may well be simple. But I think it's more of a, let the game happen to you because that seems easiest instead of trying to take the reigns because that will feel like more of a failure if it doesn't work out. Who are the Goliaths he plans on working with? Can someone tell me that? I mean I can see Angelina wanting to use his vote. I can see Alec wanting to use his vote. But I don't see either of those players letting him drive. Not sure Bros would be willing to let him drive.

What does he make of Alec's tribe voting off Natalia? Not at all concerned about that? Still thinks it's 'Goliath Strong'? Who did Mike feel like he was 'with' pre swap? Wasn't he a little uncertain about his position pre-swap? Glad that Natalie was around to be voted off before they would consider him?

Nick didn't feel in a great spot pre-swap. Maybe that has more to do with this decision than anything else. I'm open to that possibility.

this vote was decided before the Natalie vote, plain and simple imo

I think Angelina's bum looks gigantic because of those stupid pants she wears. She put on a long shirt before tribal and that made her look better, what about this pic:


Nothing gross about that, geez dom I know she's not a porn star

I think the producers have gone too far and are trying to "trick" the viewer every tribal council. It's pretty much now whatever they show is going to happen it will be the opposite. Need more balance IMO.

lol I don't find porn stars that attractive.

She looks fine there, I guess. But I don't like big asses or thick girls. Her face is average. She's just not attractive to me. <shrug>

She's attractive when she's done up (like on her IG page) but not any more so than an average woman you would see on the street. The only reason she's considered hotter now is because she's been on TV.

I know this is superficial but these are really some big thighs on the women in the cast this season. The cowgirl, Lyrsa, Angelina... all huge from the waist down. Even Gabby, who looks thin as a rail from the waist up, has surprisingly big legs.

Objectively speaking this may be overall the least attractive female cast they've ever had. I still think Gabby is pretty cute though.

Kara's prett hawt, like every karas who ever existed

The hot girls got eliminated early. Bi and Natalia were both pretty hot. Throw them on a tribe with Kara and Angelina and it would be stacked.

Lol Ur subjective hot meter

don't forget about Jessica, she was pretty cute

3 more weeks on survivor will knock 20 pounds...