the immunity challenge word was gonna be "thai ladyboy" but they changed it metamorphosis at the last minute

Welp, did we get the Sarah victory speech?

nah

they were always gonna show that no matter how Sarah does from this point on

lol'ed

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If she wins I'm going to quit watching forever. Ok, probably not, but I'll be disappoint.

Is this true? How does one advocate for the trans community and come to the thoughtful, considered opinion that publicly & spitefully outing him in front of millions of people is a good idea?! Even afterwards he continued trying to rationalize it as being OK because he assumed everyone already knew, which is a disgusting lie he's stuck with all along from TC to today.

Her being a lawyer is pretty surprising tbh

The more I think about it the more slimy Jeff becomes. There is a decent chance he wanted to go without the vote so there wouldn't be an option to edit it out.

This seems likely. Varner almost certainly had a confessional prior to TC. And it would seem likely that in it, he discussed his plan for TC, and at minimum, said something along the lines of "I'm going to let out a huge secret tonight and see how it shakes up the game" or something like that, if not a direct "I'm going to show everyone that Zeke is not who he says he is." Thus producers and Jeff would know ahead of time what was going to happen, and Jeff would have had time to anticipate and prepare for this.

You played, right? Do almost all players of the losing tribe get confessionals between the immunity challenge and TC? Or at least the ones likely to go home, you would assume.

Agree with most of Dream Crusher's commentary on Probst being wrong not to have a vote. As likely as it is, there's not a 100% guarantee Varner goes home, and there's no way that public discussion of it can accurately reveal that or not. It may not have changed things this time, but if Probst keeps doing this like this, he will almost certainly change the outcome at some point.

And yes, Survivor may not be subject to strict game show rules, but the intergrity of the game still matters. Probst just wanted to look like a good guy here and like somebody said, totally SJW'd it unfairly at the end. He can shame Varner (although Probst's own words/thinking were shameful as well imo) and still have a vote.

Probst has been the showrunner for a while now. He is probably single-handedly the most in control of the entire show. He has the power to make executive decisions, change things as he sees fit, tell the stories he wants to tell, etc. That could be all well and fine, but as we've seen, it is also compromising his role as host, and he is inserting himself more and more.

Lol. Is this a joke or true?

This too.

^^^ He said he would reveal Zeke's secret in the confessional that CBS aired. So they knew what was going to happen.

I think the way in which Varner did it in a public forum was the worst part. For me personally I don't think it is crossing the line to play on another players perceived prejudices in a mor strategic manner. For example if someone had been talking **** about Caitlyn Jenner for being trans and there was an opportunity to capitalise on that by outing another player to that person. I'd think it was a ****ty thing to do but it's also not past the line that I'd be willing to cross.

Wow. Somehow I missed that. So Probst knew exactly what was up, since he already knew Zeke was trans. So slimy by Probst. His entire shtick was pre-calculated. He already knew what he would say and that he was going to end TC without a vote.

the producers motives were surely greedy. but the result was pretty good for zeke, i think, and pretty good for trans people. in zeke's essay he seemed pretty happy about the situation. of course it sucked at the time. it was awful, but it worked out pretty damn good.

weird to say this, but varner was the one who really ended up getting exploited. varner made a huge mistake, and the producers used it ruthlessly. varner was a **** for what he did, but the producers LOVED it.

it's especially awful if he really was suicidal, like someone said in this thread. don't get me wrong, varner did bring it on himself. but he's really the one who ended up being most damaged. i hope he learned a good lesson, and became a better person from all this.

in one of the confessionals varner said something like "i picked on something about zeke, and it has nothing to do with the game, but im gonna reveal his secret"

A lot of people say a lot of things in confessional. That doesn't mean that they knew for sure he was going to blurt out the info in tribal.

Of course if it comes out that they encouraged Varner to do it, that would be a whole different story.

If Probst and other producers already knew that Zeke is trans, and if Varner's words were similar to filthy's quote of "i picked on something about zeke, and it has nothing to do with the game, but im gonna reveal his secret" - then how else can producers interpret it, other than at TC, Varner is going to reveal that Zeke is trans?

I was really asking about what other things would be crossing a line and wrong to say/do on Survivor.

But let me see if I'm understanding you correctly - are you saying that you'd be willing to out someone as trans, to another player in a one-on-one conversation on camera, but just not at TC or in a group setting?

I'm just saying that people say a lot of stuff in confessionals out of frustration or whatever that they end up thinking better of when they get to tribal.

he told the blonde(who's name i can never remember) "there's something about zeke nobody knows"

then they showed a confessional right after where he said "i feel like i know something about zeke that nobody else has picked up on. it's insignificant to this game. it means nothing. but this is not the guy you think he is. there's something else here. and if i have to go to tribal tonight and raise mortal hell, i'm gonna do it. i'm not going quietly off this island. "

you guys have no idea how TV production works. Tribal councils should take hours of tim to shoot..I'm sure after the reveal, they stopped shooting and asked Zeke if he wanted to continue.

As long as Zeke agrees to continue, CBS and/or Probst are under no further obligation to protect him.

Sometimes I wonder if people watched the same ep as I did. I mean, I'm pretty sure he had a confessional where he stated he had a surprise for the tribal council. I don't remember if he specifically mentioned he had some "dirt" on Zeke, but I'm 100% sure he said he had something to reveal.

Wow, doesn't take much for the old tin foil hats come out of the drawer.

Tell me about it; I've read about 20 different absurd posts today alone

As always with reality TV shows in general, and Survivor in particular, the full context of what actually happened is barely hinted at by what you saw on TV.

Probst knew Zeke was trans from when he first applied. Everyone gets a complete background check and complete psychological evaluation. And there is lots of behind the scenes stuff where people are saying Probst manipulated Varner into doing what he did. They told Varner about Zeke, and led him to believe everyone knew. In fact, Varner was not even the first person they approached to out Zeke. Originally they approached someone from his initial tribe to bring it up in a conversation at camp, but then for unknown reasons they changed that plan, maybe because Probst decided it would be more dramatic at a TC.

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