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Old 01-10-2011, 10:20 PM   #5376
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

Agreed. Just out of curiosity, where would Boston Rob fall on your list?
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:28 PM   #5377
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Well, I liked the Stephanie chicks vid, but if she is going to act like she describes herself she better make some close friends really quickly.

OMG, Ralph. Big Tom, is that you?

Mmmmm, Mike. I like. He's probably toast, but I'll enjoy looking at him while he lasts.
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:32 PM   #5378
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Agreed. Just out of curiosity, where would Boston Rob fall on your list?
3rd. Russell I would have a tough time keeping out of my top 10. I think he lands #8 or #9.
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:38 PM   #5379
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honest to god are you people really having THE SAME Russell debate yet again?
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:41 PM   #5380
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Yes, but it's relevant now. Also, chill.
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:53 PM   #5381
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Boring cast. Wayyyy too many average fully functioning people.

Go to the bus stop and bring in some eccentric weirds.
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Old 01-12-2011, 02:10 PM   #5382
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Jenna Morasca. No one ever talks about her ITT... is she not on top 10 Survivor females?
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:21 PM   #5383
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This season of Survivor reminds me much of Big Brother 9. Both had a very gimmicky beginning, with the whole couple concept that didn't go over to well with audiences, and a season that was character/personality driven rather then gameplay. That season is considered the worst amongst fans, but in my opinion it wasn't that bad, and quite enjoyable throughout like this season of Survivor for the contestants, more so then anything else.

The big power alliance, that the fans enjoyed ended up breaking apart mid to end way through with Hoops being the last one left because she wasn't seen as a threat, and floated the whole way there. The season had Sheila/Holly(former Playmate, and a role in European Vacation in the Pigs and the Poke scene who played the mother role to get all but one elimination away from being in the finals), Crazy James (gay porn actor, who was the fan favorite of the season), Natalie (who gave BJ's to Mattie, and squirted milk out of her titties), and Adam & Matt (who later would be arrested for beating his pregnant girlfriend, and drug charges) This season of Survivor also was filled heavily with drama with their eccentric characters from the very beginning. And some who you wonder how they actually past the psych tests! Big Brother 9 also was a season that also had some terrible, and idiotic gameplay/ers like this season of Survivor when just after voting James out, they decided it would be great to vote him right back into the house. Only Sheila was the one with any brains during that decision when she didn't decide to bring him back, especially when you consider that most of the evicted houseguests weren't apart of the power of alliance at the time. Holly doesn't get enough credit for how she played the game, and was much more of a player then people give her credit for. Then you had Josh who was the Marty of the season, who thought he was the greatest gameplayer to ever step a foot in the game, after watching one of the best players in both the shows franchise history! Great strategists think two, to three steps ahead of everyone else. Marty can cleary be seen during some points during his run to only be making one step decisions during the game, at crucial points of his season. He tried WAY to hard to be a Russell 2.0. With both contestants previously almost winning back to back seasons they were on. Except for that in Big Brother everyone knew Dr. Will was dangerous. On Survivor only Parvati knew that Russell was not to be trusted but did so anyways while she was sleeping with one of the Survivor staffers who gave her information that no other contestant was allowed during HvV. And this season ended yet again with a floater who didn't make any real bold moves, and were floaters through, and through, but made it to the finals anyway.

Something that Big Brother has also suffered through with seasons 3, 5, 11 having a floater win out over the person who played the game the best. Danny, and Allison both lost due to a jury that voted on emotions for the floater to win. Jun's strategity was to cook, and keep everyone happy all the time, and that won her the $500,000. And people just hated Danny, like Marcellas which cost her the game. I quite like Fabio, but both Chase, and Sash played much better games then Fabio did. Though I do think Fabio was a much better gameplayer then the two past winners, as I suspect he threw many of the challenges to make himself not come out as a force to be reckon with in immunity challenges. The most shocking thing was that Sash didn't get any votes at all. I figured Brenda would vote Chase, but I figured atleast one person would have voted for him.

Survivor like Big Brother are very simple, and easy games to win if you understand them, and how to play in them. It is all about the numbers, and if you keep yourself in a position with the numbers you will make it to the finals. To win it is entirely different, as you don't know exactly how the jury is going to vote on your season. Are the majority going to vote on gameplay, or emotions? And until you get to finals you may not even know which way they they are going to vote. The big problem with Survivor, and Big Brother are both shows are turning into moral shows with how contestants vote. Big Brother needs to allow contestants to bring in books other then religious ones, which has turned the game into a good morals, vs bad morals show.

I am glad that Survivor is finally going to go the route that Big Brother does when contestants quit. Kick them off with no stipends, and if they make jury, have alternatives, or do it by fan vote. One reason why they have bigger casts now is because they now have to factor in people quitting, or getting injured.

This season had some terrible, and idiotic players like Kelly Purple, and Na who decided to quit with such little time left. Contestants should know to beef up prior to going onto the show like what other contestants have done prior, and actually know what the show is like before agreeing to appear on the season. They should go back to like how they did it in season two by making all the contestants jump out of airplanes multiple times, to see if they have the toughness to do it. Talk to survivalists and what is one of the most important things needed to actually survive out in the wilderness? Mental toughness. Kelly Purple seems like the model who was hired from a agency who had no ****ing clue what the show was about until she went on it, and couldn't take it. And Na checked out half way through the show, which is no suprise why she didn't make it either. I don't believe for a second that Kelly Purple however would have quit without Na, so I guess Na deserves a point for being strategic in that aspect, in talking Purple into quitting.

Next season will also have the stupid loser returns to play the game aspect which is something I have always, and will always hate. Once you are out you should be out. But it fits with the theme. Hopefully the contestants will just boot the returning contestant out, unless he/she has immunity for one week.

And then you have the winner of the season already getting busted within a year for a drug offense, who likely will blow all their money fairly quickly just like season 9 of BB. Chances are Shannon will be another Matty in the making.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:46 PM   #5384
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hey guys, bumped this thread because i wasn't sure if you wanted to kinda keep discussion in S:RI thread on topic to the current season.

anyway i'm just watching $4 now, marquesas, b-rob's intro season. and when rob got voted out 10th, i was hella disappointed, thought the rest of the season would be really boring and that pasqual and neleh would be unable to flip and we'd just see the foursome led by that douchebag john make it to the final four. then they did one of those ICs -- not sure if there is a name for these -- where you knock out other people, and john's foursome basically knocked people out of the challenge in the order they were going to pick them off in the game. anyway then you see neleh and pasqual talking about possibly flipping, and i'm getting all excited. then we head to TC, and, i have to say, that fourth vote for john (where it became clear he was going because it was either gonna be 3 or 5) was one of the most satisfying moments ive had watching survivor. just really great, i think i actually said "yeah!" out loud.
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Old 02-19-2011, 01:28 AM   #5385
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More on $4: Leading up to the F7 TC, we have in the minority Rob and Tammy, then in the five person majority two distinct groups: Sean and Vesepia, and Neleh and Paschal, and then Kathy. Sean and Vesepia had an opportunity to break off from the fivesome here and join Rob and Tammy. If anyone remembers this, what are your thoughts? My initial reaction was that it probably did make sense to break off and join those guys, because it was clear that Kathy was closer to Neleh and Paschal, and so would be more likely to join with them at F5 and knock out Sean and Vesepia 5th and 4th.

But, on the other hand, if Kathy is a thinking player (and she did seem to display at least an interest in playing the game, rather than just being standard-boring-"loyal"-survivor), I think she's definitely going to want to go to the end with Sean and Vesepia, so they might be able to sell her there -- plus there's always the added risk of it blowing up in your face when you flip late in the game, either by being ratted out by the person you approached, or just alienating additional jurors. So yeah, I guess my initial reaction was "WTF you shoulda flipped, final four + them three white folks are never breaking up!" But thinking about it more, I think they probably made the right move. Any thoughts if this season is still fresh in anyone's mind?

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Old 02-19-2011, 03:50 AM   #5386
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I figure there's no real harm if I spam this thread with my thoughts about $4 given that no one is really using it anyway, and if people want to chime in, cool. Anyway, what an absurdly terrible TC performance by Sean at F5. My god. Like it was clear the guy didn't know how to shut up all game, and it was a minor miracle someone like that made it this far, but jesus, stop yelling at people when you are trying to get a middle-aged lady to join with you. That said, does seem kinda silly for Kathy to stick with Paschal and Neleh. They absolutely will not vote each other off, whereas there might have been wiggle room between V and Sean, and they are both probably going to fare better with the jury than you are. Only justification I can think of is she has a better chance of binking FIC against Paschal and Neleh. Anyway, decently entertaining season.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:22 AM   #5387
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More on $4: Leading up to the F7 TC, we have in the minority Rob and Tammy, then in the five person majority two distinct groups: Sean and Vesepia, and Neleh and Paschal, and then Kathy. Sean and Vesepia had an opportunity to break off from the fivesome here and join Rob and Tammy. If anyone remembers this, what are your thoughts?
I think they had to fear re-flipping, as it would have pissed everyone off and left a bunch of enemies on the jury. Remember, F9 was basically the first "true flip" in Survivor history, so doing it twice in three votes was probably asking too much from those brain-dead people. In reality, the best move was probably to boot Kathy at F7 (because she was the smartest player and an obvious free agent), but I just don't think strategy had progressed enough at that point for people to consider a move like that.

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Anyway, what an absurdly terrible TC performance by Sean at F5.
It always seemed to me like he knew he was going home. He appeared to be the only post-jury player other than Kathy who had any clue what was going on, and I think he was upset because he knew he was screwed. He wasn't great socially and was a bit of a douchebag, but I still think he wins if he makes the FTC with anyone but Kathy (which wouldn't have happened).

I think Sean+V should have probably booted Kathy and the General at F7/F6 (in either order), then used Tammy as their swing vote. As you said, Kathy was just too tied into Paschal and Neleh, presumably because she felt they were too honest to end up screwing her over. Had someone like Hatch or Cesternino been in Kathy's shoes, I think they'd have won without much of a sweat; Kathy - while smart - wasn't quite smart enough to see several moves ahead, and it cost her the win.
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Old 02-19-2011, 04:07 PM   #5388
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Using this thread to discuss past seasons is perfectly fine imo; such discussion tends to get overlooked in the main thread anyway.

Tammy might be a poor choice as a swing vote because she could easily crush the last few ICs and have a good shot at winning (she gets John and General for sure, I'd say Zoe probably votes for her as well, and she can pick up the 4th vote from Paschal/Sean if she's up against the other one). Maybe Tammy would've been more receptive to the idea of working with Sean/V than the others, but it seems far better to take someone like Zoe.

I like the idea of booting Kathy at F7. She's clearly the best player left, there's no incentive whatsoever for anyone in the Sean/V/Neleh/Paschal group to flip at F6 (it would be disastrous anyway and they'd only be forcing a tie, in which they'd be the obvious next target if they come out on the wrong side of the numbers due to the purple rock).

One theory I've heard a lot is that Kathy should've teamed up with the last Rotu member (General irl) at F6. This lets them break up one of the pairs and flip to the remaining member of that pair to break up the other one at F5. This is a great F4 for Kathy: she can probably ensure that [V or Sean] and [Neleh or Paschal] don't team up at F4, and she knows that whichever non-Rotu is left at F3 will take her to F2 and the last Rotu might take her anyway out of loyalty. As it is I think going to F3 with Neleh/Paschal is fine, because she's an overwhelming favourite to win whatever the FIC is and no-one will take her unless an ex-Rotu is there as well.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:22 AM   #5389
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So a couple things. First of all wanted to say re: $4, having finished it, that Vecepia was a decent winner. Didn't wow me or anything, but definitely not a bad winner, seemed to have a bit of a Sandra-meets-Jesus-freak thing going on that worked for her (particularly in that season, where loving the Jesus was pretty critical).


Also, watching $5 (Thailand), which seems to be pretty universally reviled around these forums. Just finishing up the F9 episode (so first member of the jury) now, where Erin gets voted out, and wanted to bid a warm farewell to her breasts, which have to rank among the most glorious to grace survivor. Also, w/r/t the actual season, certainly not loving it and understand why it isn't loved here. Not enjoying the twist of "merging" at F10 while continuing to be separate tribes, and felt bad for Shiann where she got kinda owned by that twist after smartly switching alliances ASAP, as she should have given that she was definitely in 5th out of the 5 in her tribe. Also it's just a season without really one single compelling character. Like, I don't give a **** about any of these people. I don't really care who wins... in fact it's more a matter of rooting against a handful of people rather than rooting for anyone. Just a pretty lame season. But in my quest to get through all the old seasons (because really, the show is good, and even a bad season is pretty entertaining TV), gonna power through it.
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Just finishing up the F9 episode (so first member of the jury) now, where Erin gets voted out, and wanted to bid a warm farewell to her breasts, which have to rank among the most glorious to grace survivor.
FWIW, there's a huge thread at Sucks about how she is possibly a man. It might seem like a joke accusation at first, but...maybe not.
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So a couple things. First of all wanted to say re: $4, having finished it, that Vecepia was a decent winner. Didn't wow me or anything, but definitely not a bad winner, seemed to have a bit of a Sandra-meets-Jesus-freak thing going on that worked for her (particularly in that season, where loving the Jesus was pretty critical).


Also, watching $5 (Thailand), which seems to be pretty universally reviled around these forums. Just finishing up the F9 episode (so first member of the jury) now, where Erin gets voted out, and wanted to bid a warm farewell to her breasts, which have to rank among the most glorious to grace survivor. Also, w/r/t the actual season, certainly not loving it and understand why it isn't loved here. Not enjoying the twist of "merging" at F10 while continuing to be separate tribes, and felt bad for Shiann where she got kinda owned by that twist after smartly switching alliances ASAP, as she should have given that she was definitely in 5th out of the 5 in her tribe. Also it's just a season without really one single compelling character. Like, I don't give a **** about any of these people. I don't really care who wins... in fact it's more a matter of rooting against a handful of people rather than rooting for anyone. Just a pretty lame season. But in my quest to get through all the old seasons (because really, the show is good, and even a bad season is pretty entertaining TV), gonna power through it.
Yeah, I think that this was the main reason why people didn't like the season as much as others. I remember really digging Ted, except of course for the totally awkward incident with Ghandia at the beginning of the season. And that Robb guy was pretty good entertainment at the beginning of the season, and as douchey as he was, he was actually starting to grow on me just as he got voted off. But yeah, no one to really root for. And without giving too much away, it sort of is decided by that as well (the jury rooting against the finalists and essentially every vote is a spite vote. Super bitter jury.)

I really hope the above isn't considered a spoiler. If you feel like it is, let me know and I will censor my comments more.
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FWIW, there's a huge thread at Sucks about how she is possibly a man. It might seem like a joke accusation at first, but...maybe not.
Lol, would be pretty amazing if they decided to include a tranny in the cast of the Thailand season =p

Also, don't sweat it Double Down, not that spoilerish and, tbh, not that surprising either. It's one of those sappy "We all love each other, we're all family" seasons, so doesn't surprise me that the jury ends up super butthurt when they're on the sidelines.
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I will say this about Thailand -- very entertained by all the Magilla the Gorilla coverage. Even when he's not in play/stealing their food or whatever, I like that they just cut to random shots of him on the prowl/seeing what's up. One thing that Survivor has always been great at -- and the Magilla stuff is really just a small part of this -- is capturing the beauty/danger/mystery of the locale that they're in.
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Using this thread for past season talk seems fine right?

Rewatching Tocantins at the moment. Feel kind of bad for Sierra. She seemed to have a really solid head on her shoulders, did work around camp as the season progressed, and I think could have done really well had she not gotten off on the wrong foot with everyone by having Strep. Im sure it's hard enough dealing with everything at first under ideal circumstances, and knowing what its like to have Strep I can't imagine being able to keep up initially.

She just got off on the wrong foot and had pretty much no allies from that point on. Anyone have an opinion on her?
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yeah she was put in a really tough spot right at the start. it was cool she didnt give up though like the person on the other tribe. they did like a school yard pick em right?
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:49 PM   #5396
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I love Sierra. I really hated Timbira all through Tocantins, but Sierra was the exception to that. Great underdog story, she survives much longer than could possibly be expected, similar to Eliza in Vanuatu.

But "a solid head on her shoulders", I dunno. She's a model/actress from SoCal, and a couple members of the cast spoke at length about her lack of intelligence. I get the feeling that the editors tried to avoid showing her vapid moments in an attempt to get the viewership rooting for her.
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Na they were separated at the start, but they did an immediate vote and those people didn't have to make the 4 hour trek to camp and were helicoptered into camp instead. Of course, Sierra was chosen for this by her tribe because "She looked like she was hot on the trip over" (which is obviously due to her 102 fever).

So now she's sick. She's got a fever of 102. She can't really keep up at camp initially due to it (although she tries her best). And then shes immediately put into a spot where every other person on her tribe had to trek 4 hours through the wilderness carrying all the supplies while she got to be helicoptered in instead. So then you get some resentment from everyone else too.


It was pretty evident that she was intelligent once she was selected for that as well. Once it's revealed that the two voted for immediately (Herself and Sandy) will be taking a helicopter instead of marching 4 hours, Sandys first reaction is "weeeeeeee thank you lord". Sierra gets this "for ****s sake" look on her face. She understands this isn't a good thing due to social implications.


I'd even be willing to go as far to say that if there's one person from a season I've watched (Vanuatu-Current) that I wish would have gotten a second chance, it's her.
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But "a solid head on her shoulders", I dunno. She's a model/actress from SoCal, and a couple members of the cast spoke at length about her lack of intelligence. I get the feeling that the editors tried to avoid showing her vapid moments in an attempt to get the viewership rooting for her.

That's a pretty solid point and one I don't really consider enough when discussing Survivor. We get such a tiny piece of whats actually happening that it's easy for them to mold a person on screen into what they want it to be. Maybe she wasn't as intelligent as it looked and it was just "poor girl lets not make her look stupid she had to deal with enough".

Where do you go to read some stuff from actual contestants btw?
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There's a variety of sources, I suppose. Some seasons, I've read SurvivorSucks at length, and followed links around. RealityBlurred, I believe, is (or was) a good source of contestant interviews. Rob's podcast is pretty solid these days. And, of course, the online-only scenes add much more depth to the characters.
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People actually like Sierra?

She alienated everyone to the point that she couldn't win against any of them, she was dragged through the game by good players, and she was a hypocritical ***** to Stephen in her jury speech. She also got a forced positive edit (hi boc) because she was apparently dating someone involved with the show. I would rather see any other person from Tocantins (aside from Sandy) and most people from every other season than see Sierra again.
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